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Apparently, he and the victim were friends. She thought she could trust him 🙁
All grape is vile and stranger-predators are awful but rare in most rapes. Most rapes aren’t committed by dodgy looking Yorkshire ripper/ Ian couzens tyoes. They’re friends, relatives, mates brothers, husbands, boyfriends who decide to commit sexual violence
 
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I went to see him in 1996 and felt bad for not finding him funny when all my friends were laughing. When he kept going on about being a les trapped in a man’s body (and he mentioned this in his routine several times), it just made me feel uneasy. I think the people I went with thought I’d had a sense of humour bypass.
I wasn't aware he used to say that, although I was too young in 1996 to know much about him...and at the time it would have been taken as an acknowledgement that he was a man!
 
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I think in 2004 it would still have been seen as a joke and not many people would have foreseen how it would age. Its entire premise is that he can't be a les because his body is male and he's a man.

Lesbianism is the only sexuality that doesn't involve men at all. Why are they so obsessed with it?
 
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Oh, I hadn't actually heard about that, but thanks!
I went for a Google and found her comments on r*pe (which might have been out of context, I really don't know), and it was definitely them that got me angry, but I think I do mostly agree with her opinions.
I've put a screenshot of them below, apologies in advance if it's not suitable commentary and please report to mods if you want removed (I tried to put it under a spoiler but I'm not that clever 😒)
I think there's a point to be made here although not expressed very well. A vanishingly small number of rapes are actually prosecuted, and something does need to change. What that is, I don't know. By their nature rapes within existing relationships are always going to be more difficult to prosecute than the stereotypical (but much rarer) "man jumps out of a bush and violently attacks woman".

I feel similar about the obsession with "consent". Not that consent is a bad thing, but we've got to a point where consent is the be all and end all, so, as long as a woman says yes, anything goes.

I've no doubt countless women have said yes for all sorts of reasons from fear to coercion and emotional abuse to being too tired to argue about it, and it's clear to the men having sex with them that they are not a willing or enthusiastic participant, but the current rhetoric is that if a man asks for consent well, good for him, what a stand up guy.

In some ways I don't think the obsession with consent has made a positive difference at all. Men know all about consent, they don't do things to their male friends or bosses wouldn't like or would find intrusive. It's only when it comes to their sense of entitlement to sexual gratification at women's expense that they're all suddenly confused about what consent means.

This leads into sex work, where exploited and trafficked women are seen as engaging in an active choice to be prostitutes just because they, technically, "consent".

I'm not expressing myself very well and I've gone off on a tangent. What I'm trying to say is I think the entire language around male sexual entitlement to women needs to change because as it stands I don't think we're in a better position than we were decades ago.
 
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I think there's a point to be made here although not expressed very well. A vanishingly small number of rapes are actually prosecuted, and something does need to change. What that is, I don't know. By their nature rapes within existing relationships are always going to be more difficult to prosecute than the stereotypical (but much rarer) "man jumps out of a bush and violently attacks woman".

I feel similar about the obsession with "consent". Not that consent is a bad thing, but we've got to a point where consent is the be all and end all, so, as long as a woman says yes, anything goes.

I've no doubt countless women have said yes for all sorts of reasons from fear to coercion and emotional abuse to being too tired to argue about it, and it's clear to the men having sex with them that they are not a willing or enthusiastic participant, but the current rhetoric is that if a man asks for consent well, good for him, what a stand up guy.

In some ways I don't think the obsession with consent has made a positive difference at all. Men know all about consent, they don't do things to their male friends or bosses wouldn't like or would find intrusive. It's only when it comes to their sense of entitlement to sexual gratification at women's expense that they're all suddenly confused about what consent means.

This leads into sex work, where exploited and trafficked women are seen as engaging in an active choice to be prostitutes just because they, technically, "consent".

I'm not expressing myself very well and I've gone off on a tangent. What I'm trying to say is I think the entire language around male sexual entitlement to women needs to change because as it stands I don't think we're in a better position than we were decades ago.
I know exactly what you mean. It can perhaps be summed up as "just because you may, does not mean you should". Come on...even though they've technically said yes, no decent man with any humanity is going to line up for one of those Only Fans women's horrible sex records. It's clearly abusive and destructive even if it is "allowed". There comes a point where you can't legislate for decency and you just have to hope that people (men) will do what is obviously the right thing even if there's no law in place to stop it. What could be easier than refraining from something like that?
 
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I think there's a point to be made here although not expressed very well. A vanishingly small number of rapes are actually prosecuted, and something does need to change. What that is, I don't know. By their nature rapes within existing relationships are always going to be more difficult to prosecute than the stereotypical (but much rarer) "man jumps out of a bush and violently attacks woman".

I feel similar about the obsession with "consent". Not that consent is a bad thing, but we've got to a point where consent is the be all and end all, so, as long as a woman says yes, anything goes.

I've no doubt countless women have said yes for all sorts of reasons from fear to coercion and emotional abuse to being too tired to argue about it, and it's clear to the men having sex with them that they are not a willing or enthusiastic participant, but the current rhetoric is that if a man asks for consent well, good for him, what a stand up guy.

In some ways I don't think the obsession with consent has made a positive difference at all. Men know all about consent, they don't do things to their male friends or bosses wouldn't like or would find intrusive. It's only when it comes to their sense of entitlement to sexual gratification at women's expense that they're all suddenly confused about what consent means.

This leads into sex work, where exploited and trafficked women are seen as engaging in an active choice to be prostitutes just because they, technically, "consent".

I'm not expressing myself very well and I've gone off on a tangent. What I'm trying to say is I think the entire language around male sexual entitlement to women needs to change because as it stands I don't think we're in a better position than we were decades ago.
No, I think your expression is fine!
The more I read her comments, the more I THINK I understood what she was trying to say. I also think they may have been click bait at the time and I ever bothered to read the whole thing.
 
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All grape is vile and stranger-predators are awful but rare in most rapes. Most rapes aren’t committed by dodgy looking Yorkshire ripper/ Ian couzens tyoes. They’re friends, relatives, mates brothers, husbands, boyfriends who decide to commit sexual violence
Crimes that involve being jumped by a stranger in the dark are far more likely to happen to men. It's another example of male experience being taken as the default. And this time, it doesn't even help them particularly.
 
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Yes, I feel like witch is used in a horribly and specifically misogynist way that bleep isn't.
Weirdly I feel the same about silly cow, it seems more female attacking.
For me although not genital specific I think of w@nker as a male specific insult, b too but that's not as insulting as w@nker!
 
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Weirdly I feel the same about silly cow, it seems more female attacking.
For me although not genital specific I think of w@nker as a male specific insult, b too but that's not as insulting as w@nker!
"Silly cow" always comes off as really patronising.

"Wanker" is definitely a more male-oriented insult, as is "douchebag", although neither are exclusively for men.
 
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That's still an improvement. I've been told that staff there have to put their pronouns in their email sigs whether they want to or not...
If it ever comes to that in my workplace (currently voluntary but lots of people are doing it 🙄), I'm going to put mine down as some kind of impossible to pronounce made up word.
What's stopping me? Surely they wouldn't dare question my beliefs and feelings ?!?! 😈
 
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Here we go, a famous footballer coach in Victoria has a brain tumour. This could explain why he thinks he's a woman but now it's all going to be she, her and Danielle instead of he, him and Dean. I've already left a few comments on one of the articles.
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Just read elsewhere that ‘Danielle’ was arrested for stalking in 2020 ‘amid a battle with drug addiction’. When he was arrested, he was wearing a wig and make up. This was apparently before he had ‘come out to family and friends’ that he was an AGP‘trans’. Local police leaked photos to the press of him in his AGP garb and were then forced to pay him $3000 compensation and issue an apology.
 
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