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I'm going to sound really old, but if many of the people who champion trans rights had lived through what we lived through in order to gain rights for women they'd have a very different opinion of us evil turfs.
If you didn't have to fight for something I do understand how you might not value it.
Exactly. I'm in my 60's and narrowly avoided being paid less than a man for doing the same job, being able to continue working after marriage, getting a mortgage in my own name etc etc. My mother's generations had far less rights than I did, and not long before she was born there were protests and marches in our local town about girls being educated at school past the age of 11 (it was considered unnecessary).

All of this was real to me, not part of dusty history long gone. When I went to school only the younger women were married. All of the older ones weren't as they'd chosen their careers over marriage. My Aunt never married, possibly for the same reason.

I recall a time when a boy was ridiculed in class because he was "beaten by a girl" (me). I didn't receive any recognition of my skills - male teacher making the comments. (It didn't upset me, even at a young age I thought it was an idiotic thing to say).
I could give so many more examples.

It's taken years to get to where we are now, and there's still a long way to go. I'm not willing to give up everything we fought for.
 
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Exactly. I'm in my 60's and narrowly avoided being paid less than a man for doing the same job, being able to continue working after marriage, getting a mortgage in my own name etc etc. My mother's generations had far less rights than I did, and not long before she was born there were protests and marches in our local town about girls being educated at school past the age of 11 (it was considered unnecessary).

All of this was real to me, not part of dusty history long gone. When I went to school only the younger women were married. All of the older ones weren't as they'd chosen their careers over marriage. My Aunt never married, possibly for the same reason.

I recall a time when a boy was ridiculed in class because he was "beaten by a girl" (me). I didn't receive any recognition of my skills - male teacher making the comments. (It didn't upset me, even at a young age I thought it was an idiotic thing to say).
I could give so many more examples.

It's taken years to get to where we are now, and there's still a long way to go. I'm not willing to give up everything we fought for.
In my first job after university my male colleague was promoted over me to team leader as he had a wife and child to support and I didn’t.
 
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I don’t know if this news story has been spotted and shared here at all but came across it when reading the latest issue of The Week. Hopefully they realise that by asking these stupid questions that make people walk out that it’s stupid to be pandering to a tiny amount of the population like this and could be putting people’s health at risk if they’re not staying for tests and scans. Also if I was a man and a medical professional asked me if I could be pregnant I would be v concerned about their capability.

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Exactly. I’d be questioning the sanity of any supposed medical professional doing this.

Can’t believe the people who defend it either. “Oh what’s the harm, just answer the question!” Would people be so cool about a medical professional asking them if they accept Jesus Christ as their lord and saviour? It’s the same thing IMO.

When Rylan brought this up on This Morning I noticed a woke bro being completely disingenuous on Twitter, saying “Is Rylan bothered by someone asking him if he’s had sex recently?” like that’s the issue 😂 Completely sidestepping the utter lunacy of treating ordinary men like they might have a uterus hidden away in their male pelvises.
 
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Exactly. I’d be questioning the sanity of any supposed medical professional doing this.

Can’t believe the people who defend it either. “Oh what’s the harm, just answer the question!” Would people be so cool about a medical professional asking them if they accept Jesus Christ as their lord and saviour? It’s the same thing IMO.

When Rylan brought this up on This Morning I noticed a woke bro being completely disingenuous on Twitter, saying “Is Rylan bothered by someone asking him if he’s had sex recently?” like that’s the issue 😂 Completely sidestepping the utter lunacy of treating ordinary men like they might have a uterus hidden away in their male pelvises.
There is no immediate harm in it and it doesn't seem like a big deal to answer one little question so people think just do it and be kind but over time normalises the idea that men can become pregnant. All of these little "kindnesses" are lies and I really think that over time they add up to have a really negative effect on society.
 
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There is no immediate harm in it and it doesn't seem like a big deal to answer one little question so people think just do it and be kind but over time normalises the idea that men can become pregnant. All of these little "kindnesses" are lies and I really think that over time they add up to have a really negative effect on society.
It’s death by a thousand paper cuts. You’re so right.
 
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Riiiight... so basically open to everyone then. And I'm betting a young woman won't be benefitting.
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This is America but the judge granted an emergency order for 15 year old boy to be allowed to join girls soccer practice, it seems on the basis that because he has been taking blockers, he would not have a physical advantage.

The judge questioned how the law, as applied to Tirrell, would protect girls from unfair competition given that the state isn’t contesting evidence that she has no physiological advantage after taking puberty-blocking medication to prevent bodily changes such as muscle development. McCafferty also found Tirrell had proven that she would suffer irreparable harm without it, another criteria for emergency relief.

It’s part of a wider lawsuit from two families (one whose son doesn’t even plan to play sports until December?!) seeking to overturn the “Fairness in Women’s Sports Act”.

Journalist showing her bias closing the article with this. Shoe horning in all the other ‘bans’ against transgender children.

The rights of transgender people — and especially young people — have become a major political battleground in recent years as trans visibility has increased. Most Republican-controlled states have banned gender-affirming health care for transgender minors, and several have adopted policies limiting which school bathrooms trans people can use and barring trans girls from some sports competitions.
Tirrell had proven that she would suffer irreparable harm without it, another criteria for emergency relief.

How can he "prove" that?

Does he just sob "Oh, your honour - I'LL KILL MYSELF!
 
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Tirrell had proven that she would suffer irreparable harm without it, another criteria for emergency relief.

How can he "prove" that?

Does he just sob "Oh, your honour - I'LL KILL MYSELF!
irreparable harm for missing soccer practice 🤦🏼‍♀️ yet puberty blockers are ok!
 
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irreparable harm for missing soccer practice 🤦🏼‍♀️ yet puberty blockers are ok!
It's BS, isn't it. I remember thinking I was going to die of heartbreak when I was 12/13 and my mum wouldn't let me go to the KISS concert. A kid missing out on soccer is the same thing, he'll get over it and have more opportunities later in life.
Nobody wants to see a child upset but that's life and there's way worse to come than missing out on something.
 
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It's BS, isn't it. I remember thinking I was going to die of heartbreak when I was 12/13 and my mum wouldn't let me go to the KISS concert. A kid missing out on soccer is the same thing, he'll get over it and have more opportunities later in life.
Nobody wants to see a child upset but that's life and there's way worse to come than missing out on something.
Missing soccer practice is the least of that child's problems.
 
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What about the girl whose place he is taking? What about her feelings? Oh, sorry, I forgot. Her's don't count, do they?

And what about a girl who desperately wants to play in the team but lacks the skills? Does she get to play because of her feelings?

As a mum I hated seeing my children disappointed and upset. But I believed my role was to help them build up resilience and understand that they had skills and weaknesses just like anyone else, give them a big hug and then a small treat (depending on age and the situation).
 
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Missing soccer practice is the least of that child's problems.
Absolutely, given the sex on his birth certificate was changed to female in 2019. He’s 15 now. So he must have been 10/11 at the time his parents decided he was a girl.

Even Turmelle’s updated birth certificate, which clearly listed her gender as female since 2019, couldn’t help their case because the regulation requires that the birth certificate display the student’s biological sex as it was “at or near the time of the student’s birth.”


I do feel really sorry for these two boys. They are being abused by grown adults who have put them in this situation. Look at all the smug smiles of the adults who are the ones actually causing the harm to those kids.

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What about the girl whose place he is taking? What about her feelings? Oh, sorry, I forgot. Her's don't count, do they?

And what about a girl who desperately wants to play in the team but lacks the skills? Does she get to play because of her feelings?

As a mum I hated seeing my children disappointed and upset. But I believed my role was to help them build up resilience and understand that they had skills and weaknesses just like anyone else, give them a big hug and then a small treat (depending on age and the situation).
As a mum I hated seeing my children disappointed and upset. But I believed my role was to help them build up resilience and understand that they had skills and weaknesses just like anyone else,

This.

A 1,000 times THIS!

These children are being pandered to, and told how "special" they are, and led to believe that they are entitled to anything and everything because "trans". This does not prepare them for the trials and tribulations of life beyond school.

And it doesn't teach them that other people are deserving of respect and consideration, either.
 
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Chester Pride - some small wins this year but the photos are still horrific (all taken from Mandy’s post - there were a few more but I’m posting the worst ones)

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And some delightful person set up a ‘disappreciation’ page for Mandy.

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Chester Pride - some small wins this year but the photos are still horrific (all taken from Mandy’s post - there were a few more but I’m posting the worst ones)

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And some delightful person set up a ‘disappreciation’ page for Mandy.
It’s astonishing that the first points had to be made in the first place!
I enjoy a pride parade, I’ve stood cheering there myself. While I live in a very heterosexual relationship, I can’t honestly call myself hetero, having had relationships with women (and was never sure whether bi is the right term either, but that is beside the point).
My goddaughter is les and struggled with that for a long time despite having huge family support. Taking her to Pride when she was younger would have been lovely, but I certainly wouldn’t want a (then) ten year old get access to strippers and giant sex toys. Strip bars and sex toy shops have a minimum age of 18 here, why should that be different elsewhere.
 
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Remember, it's definitely not a mental illness
Or a fetish.

It really isn't a fetish.

Yeah definitely not a mental illness or a fetish. So glad this beautiful lady can now live her authentic self.

'I'm not saying I need to be the first female trans lead, although, given the fact my Instagram is one of the most popular pages online and has millions of hits per week, we know the ratings would go up if I was cast in that role,' she boasted.

'At the end of the day, I want to live in an America where an eight-year-old child assigned male at birth who is struggling feels safe enough to tell his parents that he wants to change his gender.

Seiter, who was caught up in a death hoax last year, raised eyebrows in her gender journey by refusing to shave her body hair and claiming that she felt 'more feminine' when she wasn't wearing a wig.

In a follow-up video titled 'stop policing women's body hair,' Seiter lashed out at criticism she'd received for sporting a five o'clock shadow.
 

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