All these nonsense titles are made up by people that spend time on tumblr and reddit which is then added to the great big book of gender ideology. Yes you can pretend to be a male in the morning and a female in the afternoon with people giving you likes on twitter/instagram etcHi, I’ve been reading this thread on and off and truthfully I still need to learn a lot about sex and gender.
maybe can someone help explain the meaning of gender fluid? For example, can I identify as a male for today, with he/him pronouns and identify as a female the next day with she/her pronouns? Is there also a study about this, maybe the frequency of someone can decide their gender? Please don’t bash me as I’m trying to learn.
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The Mermaids version of gender is pretty much all social constructs, so it's referring to the degree of (stereotypical) femininity and masculinity as being on a sliding scale of 1-12, rather than referring to their ages.
It is all a load of self-obsessed gender bollocks.Ohh thanks! It looks interesting to see the photo of her/him whenever he feels like identifying as certain gender.
may I also ask (because I’m still confused) so right now there are multiple genders recognised in the LGBT community, but whats with the term “non-binary”? If someone identifies as non binary so they can only identify themselves as either male or female and not, say, Demi girl for example because then it’d be more than 2 genders and can’t be called as binary?
Ahh I see, yeah sometimes it’s like the whole thing is being shoved down our throats by the media, and it gets difficult to learn about this whole thing because if we ask we’d get labeled as homophobic etc…
There are men and there are women - people can alter their appearance, have surgery, change their pronouns and describe themselves in many different ways.
But they remain the same sex as they always have been. There is only male and female.
You don't have to reveal your previous name to your employer but it looks like you still have to do so to the DBS confidential checking service who will double check.
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Omg sorry I feel stupid, didn’t realise the numbers were meant as range instead of age
may I also know if this scale is somehow being used at school to educate the children?This is why I’m also confused because often times I think the same thing, but people would tell me that genders matter most than sex, since you can be born with any genitals but your gender doesn’t have to comply with your birth sex. So it’s like the genitals are just genitals and loosely linked to biological sex that makes up their appearance, thoughts, etc
Mermaids relies heavily on regressive gender stereotypes to indoctrinate young people.
One of my daughters friends now calls herself non binary and a they. In reality this just means that she generally dresses in trousers and has a short hair cut (but she still dates men). I get that she doesn't want to wear a dress that's fine but why she now needs to call herself 'they' is beyond me.
Please correct me if I’m wrong but from what I know is that children sometimes like to belong in certain groups or whatever it is currently “in” right now. Perhaps she (or they) wanted to belong and thus starts identifying as non-binary?
and since English is my second language,since some people identify themselves as they/them, isn’t they/them meant to address for anything plural? Or when someone also use the (for example) he/them pronouns, why can they identify as both singular and plural at the same time?
I don't have kids but quite a few posters here are parents who might be able to offer more insight into what kids are taught in RSE lessons these days.Omg sorry I feel stupid, didn’t realise the numbers were meant as range instead of age
This is why I’m also confused because often times I think the same thing, but people would tell me that genders matter most than sex, since you can be born with any genitals but your gender doesn’t have to comply with your birth sex. So it’s like the genitals are just genitals and loosely linked to biological sex that makes up their appearance, thoughts, etc
I personally don't believe that gender is relevent - I think that you have your biological sex, and everything else in life is just your personality and your fashion choices.
This is why I’m also confused because often times I think the same thing, but people would tell me that genders matter most than sex, since you can be born with any genitals but your gender doesn’t have to comply with your birth sex. So it’s like the genitals are just genitals and loosely linked to biological sex that makes up their appearance, thoughts, etc
“Your gender doesn’t have to comply with your birth sex”. Read that back. It doesn’t make any sense. That’s probably why you’re confused. And genitals aren’t “just” genitals “loosely” linked to biological sex, sex (and the genitals linked to either sex) forms the entire reproductive structure of our entire planet, from human to animal to insect. It’s only in the last decade or so TRAs have tried to pass this off as not a big deal.
“People would tell me gender matters more than sex”. Why does gender matter more than sex? Sex is fact, gender is construct. I can call a female dog “he” all day long, and say “look at him playing with his ball, he’s so funny” and nobody could stop me from doing so, or even believing it, and I could even get others involved to the extent I could get them to refer to the dog as male too, but it wouldn’t change the fact that the dog is actually female in reality.
Unless someone actually believes human beings can change sex, then they’re choosing to prioritise and support a fiction over fact. If you don’t believe that a human can change sex, then question to yourself “why?” when people try and tell you gender is more important than sex. That’s illogical and doesn’t make sense.
“Your gender doesn’t have to comply with your birth sex”. Read that back. It doesn’t make any sense. That’s probably why you’re confused. And genitals aren’t “just” genitals “loosely” linked to biological sex, sex (and the genitals linked to either sex) forms the entire reproductive structure of our entire planet, from human to animal to insect. It’s only in the last decade or so TRAs have tried to pass this off as not a big deal.
“People would tell me gender matters more than sex”. Why does gender matter more than sex? Sex is fact, gender is construct. I can call a female dog “he” all day long, and say “look at him playing with his ball, he’s so funny” and nobody could stop me from doing so, or even believing it, and I could even get others involved to the extent I could get them to refer to the dog as male too, but it wouldn’t change the fact that the dog is actually female in reality.
Unless someone actually believes human beings can change sex, then they’re choosing to prioritise and support a fiction over fact. If you don’t believe that a human can change sex, then question to yourself “why?” when people try and tell you gender is more important than sex. That’s illogical and doesn’t make sense.
Probably it’s because I read about this whole sex-gender-LGBT thing from Twitter. They often discuss about these matters and more often than not dismiss the idea of biological sex and rather only focus on whichever gender they identify themselves as. Whenever someone jumped in to discuss the difference between sex and gender, the people there would not, by the end of the day, identify themselves as their biological sex. They will always bring the argument that gender is what defines them, and not their biological sex.
I do agree that any kind of surgery won’t change our biological sex since its written in our DNA, but then comes a whole new argument such as “trans woman is woman”, and it further complicates the issue. So now they identify as a woman biologically, or woman as in gender? What does “trans woman is woman” mean and what is it trying to tell us, if, gender is just a social construct and they choose to comply to the very construct they reject in the first place?
If gender is a social construct then one can identify as a woman while Having masculine haircut and wearing masculine clothing without having to identify as another gender (for example, a male). But then comes more argument that it’s not as simple as wearing male clothing but rather not feeling comfortable in their own body, and what does that mean? Is it wanting to remove their genitalia, or rather want to be seen as someone else new entirely?
sorry for keep asking but I have so much questions in my head regarding this topic and I learned a lot from the other tattlers, so, thank you!
I do agree that any kind of surgery won’t change our biological sex since its written in our DNA, but then comes a whole new argument such as “trans woman is woman”, and it further complicates the issue. So now they identify as a woman biologically, or woman as in gender? What does “trans woman is woman” mean and what is it trying to tell us, if, gender is just a social construct and they choose to comply to the very construct they reject in the first place?
If gender is a social construct then one can identify as a woman while Having masculine haircut and wearing masculine clothing without having to identify as another gender (for example, a male). But then comes more argument that it’s not as simple as wearing male clothing but rather not feeling comfortable in their own body, and what does that mean? Is it wanting to remove their genitalia, or rather want to be seen as someone else new entirely?
sorry for keep asking but I have so much questions in my head regarding this topic and I learned a lot from the other tattlers, so, thank you!
We are at the absurd situation where despite me having currently a large beard could call myself a woman, apply some lipstick and some woman online would applaud my bravery. I could then label myself as a lesbian, join a dating site and look to date lesbian woman. If they refused I could have them labelled as transphobes, have them thrown off the site.Probably it’s because I read about this whole sex-gender-LGBT thing from Twitter. They often discuss about these matters and more often than not dismiss the idea of biological sex and rather only focus on whichever gender they identify themselves as. Whenever someone jumped in to discuss the difference between sex and gender, the people there would not, by the end of the day, identify themselves as their biological sex. They will always bring the argument that gender is what defines them, and not their biological sex.
I do agree that any kind of surgery won’t change our biological sex since its written in our DNA, but then comes a whole new argument such as “trans woman is woman”, and it further complicates the issue. So now they identify as a woman biologically, or woman as in gender? What does “trans woman is woman” mean and what is it trying to tell us, if, gender is just a social construct and they choose to comply to the very construct they reject in the first place?
If gender is a social construct then one can identify as a woman while Having masculine haircut and wearing masculine clothing without having to identify as another gender (for example, a male). But then comes more argument that it’s not as simple as wearing male clothing but rather not feeling comfortable in their own body, and what does that mean? Is it wanting to remove their genitalia, or rather want to be seen as someone else new entirely?
sorry for keep asking but I have so much questions in my head regarding this topic and I learned a lot from the other tattlers, so, thank you!
So yes you can go online and people will use a lot of word salad but what this trans movement largely boils is a lot of mentally unwell people giving themselves labels along with guys getting off on dressing up as woman in public for a sexual thrill.
10 years ago if the Jamie Wallis story broke he would have been rightly subjected to the same level of pish taking that David Mellor had. Now we have people like Ash Sarkar calling him brave.
I don't know much about the workings of GDPR - but this might be relevant - Norway bans Shinigami Eyes
Gender is simply a set of expectations around how males and females are supposed to act and present themselves. Nothing more, nothing less.
When people wedded to gender ideology talk about gender being this mystical essence, separate to biological sex, they just mean personality or aesthetic.
Ergo it’s all bollocks. Be a masculine presenting woman or a feminine presenting man. Dress however you like. Just stop destroying your bodies with hormones and surgeries and stop bleeping around with children’s minds and bodies.
When people wedded to gender ideology talk about gender being this mystical essence, separate to biological sex, they just mean personality or aesthetic.
Ergo it’s all bollocks. Be a masculine presenting woman or a feminine presenting man. Dress however you like. Just stop destroying your bodies with hormones and surgeries and stop bleeping around with children’s minds and bodies.
Ahh ok, this makes sense. No wonder I’m always confused about this whole gender thing especially when someone identifies as non male or non female (e.g: Demi girl) and I was like, that sounds like a monster type from this online MMORPG thing
Don’t be sorry for asking questions!Probably it’s because I read about this whole sex-gender-LGBT thing from Twitter. They often discuss about these matters and more often than not dismiss the idea of biological sex and rather only focus on whichever gender they identify themselves as. Whenever someone jumped in to discuss the difference between sex and gender, the people there would not, by the end of the day, identify themselves as their biological sex. They will always bring the argument that gender is what defines them, and not their biological sex.
I do agree that any kind of surgery won’t change our biological sex since its written in our DNA, but then comes a whole new argument such as “trans woman is woman”, and it further complicates the issue. So now they identify as a woman biologically, or woman as in gender? What does “trans woman is woman” mean and what is it trying to tell us, if, gender is just a social construct and they choose to comply to the very construct they reject in the first place?
If gender is a social construct then one can identify as a woman while Having masculine haircut and wearing masculine clothing without having to identify as another gender (for example, a male). But then comes more argument that it’s not as simple as wearing male clothing but rather not feeling comfortable in their own body, and what does that mean? Is it wanting to remove their genitalia, or rather want to be seen as someone else new entirely?
sorry for keep asking but I have so much questions in my head regarding this topic and I learned a lot from the other tattlers, so, thank you!
Biological sex is a scientific fact, gender identity is a theory - people have different opinions on it, personally I’m of the opinion that it’s a load of regressive rubbish, other people are of the opinion that it’s legitimate and that it matters. Nowadays a lot of people speak about it as though it is factual, or as though how they identify their gender is more important than their sex. I think this is nonsense for several reasons, here are some examples:
•a male calling themselves a woman can’t get pregnant, won’t deal with birth, abortion laws, menstruation or any womens’ health problems
•a female calling themselves a man is still more likely to be raped or a victim of domestic violence than a male, though they’ll never deal with mens health problems like prostate and testicular cancers
•the way we’re socialised as children corresponds to our biological sex
•males have huge physical advantages over females, calling themselves a different gender doesn’t change that
•anyone calling themselves non-binary is still going to be treated in accordance with whatever sex they appear to be, and it’s clear which sex someone is in 99% of cases
Different transgender people take different approaches - some say they’re women (which to them means gender identity) but not female (biological sex), others claim to be females - a male cyclist who identifies as a woman and gets to race in womens’ races referred to himself as a female recently, which is objectively untrue. Naturally he wins all the time because he has an advantage over all of the actual women in the race. Some transgender people try their best to look like the opposite sex, including getting operations on their genitals, others look like their birth sex and don’t try to change that - personally I’m of the opinion that those ones say they’re transgender to either a) try to appear unique, or b) because they’re predators and want to prey on the opposite sex.
One criticism a lot of people have of transgender people is that they treat biological sex like it’s a costume - long hair = woman, short hair = man. I find these stereotypes to be offensive, outdated and I wish we could get rid of them. I think it’s absolutely fine if men want to wear dresses or makeup, but that doesn’t make them a woman, just like wearing fake tan doesn’t make you a different race.
Unless they are wearing it as a fetish and get off on it. I admit I do have a bit of an issue with the typical middle aged man dressing in women's clothes as I would just be so suspicious of his motives.
Thanks everyone, I feel enlightened from the discussion. Definitely need to still learn more, but all of the responses here are very informative. I feel like this is the perfect place to ask, usually I want to discuss about gender and sex on Twitter but the character limitation is not sufficient for a proper discussion. 
but one last thing, may someone help educate me about the use of they/them pronouns for an individual? I’ve been taught that they and them are used to refer plurals, so I’m not sure how can it be used to refer and individual. And about someone who identify themselves as he/them, is there an explanation as to why they can refer themselves as both a singular and plural at the same time?
sometimes I might not be able to articulate myself clearly, so I apologise if someone is offended by my questions!
but one last thing, may someone help educate me about the use of they/them pronouns for an individual? I’ve been taught that they and them are used to refer plurals, so I’m not sure how can it be used to refer and individual. And about someone who identify themselves as he/them, is there an explanation as to why they can refer themselves as both a singular and plural at the same time?
sometimes I might not be able to articulate myself clearly, so I apologise if someone is offended by my questions!
My POV - they/them are plural, *but* can also be used if you don’t know the sex of the person, or can’t make an informed guess based on first name, physical appearance (if you can see them), or some other criteria I might have forgotten/ignored. For example :
« Dad’s boss is teetotal. »
« Ooh, but they won’t mind if we have a drink, surely? »
They are all third-person pronouns, so the actual person in question shouldn’t be using them to refer to themselves anyway. Talking about yourself in the third person is for dickheads.
These pronouns are for how other people wish to refer to the person in question, so can be a matter of personal preference, although it will absolutely lead to all manner of comprehension problems if they are used interchangeably.
I won’t use they/them singularly if I know the sex of the person, and certainly wouldn’t use the opposite one (« she » for a man, for example). Other people are free to use whatever pronouns they want for anybody else, including me.
Pronoun people put non-sex-based / plural pronouns in bios etc… to let you know that they’re special and that you should recognise that specialness. It’s a form of coercive control to normalise the idea that a man can become a woman (and vice versa) or the delusion that it is possible to be neither.
Hope that is clear.
« Dad’s boss is teetotal. »
« Ooh, but they won’t mind if we have a drink, surely? »
They are all third-person pronouns, so the actual person in question shouldn’t be using them to refer to themselves anyway. Talking about yourself in the third person is for dickheads.
These pronouns are for how other people wish to refer to the person in question, so can be a matter of personal preference, although it will absolutely lead to all manner of comprehension problems if they are used interchangeably.
I won’t use they/them singularly if I know the sex of the person, and certainly wouldn’t use the opposite one (« she » for a man, for example). Other people are free to use whatever pronouns they want for anybody else, including me.
Pronoun people put non-sex-based / plural pronouns in bios etc… to let you know that they’re special and that you should recognise that specialness. It’s a form of coercive control to normalise the idea that a man can become a woman (and vice versa) or the delusion that it is possible to be neither.
Hope that is clear.
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It’s all internet-driven nonsense, and a cult.Ahh ok, this makes sense. No wonder I’m always confused about this whole gender thing especially when someone identifies as non male or non female (e.g: Demi girl) and I was like, that sounds like a monster type from this online MMORPG thing
My advice is don’t even try to understand it or learn all the terminology, because that gives it all more credence that it deserves. People are either male or female. Sex matters.
Speaking of which:
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No one gets offended here although sometimes we have disagreements where another person puts their point of view over and its discussed in a civil manner. I don't think people need educated about pronouns - if you meet someone for the first time you are either introduced to them by someone else or you introduce yourself and information is passed. Only people that are in the gender cult are going to start an introduction by "can I ask your pronouns" the rest of us will say Hi I am Dave/Mary/Whatever and the person will reply with who they are before a normal conversation ensues.Thanks everyone, I feel enlightened from the discussion. Definitely need to still learn more, but all of the responses here are very informative. I feel like this is the perfect place to ask, usually I want to discuss about gender and sex on Twitter but the character limitation is not sufficient for a proper discussion.
but one last thing, may someone help educate me about the use of they/them pronouns for an individual? I’ve been taught that they and them are used to refer plurals, so I’m not sure how can it be used to refer and individual. And about someone who identify themselves as he/them, is there an explanation as to why they can refer themselves as both a singular and plural at the same time?
sometimes I might not be able to articulate myself clearly, so I apologise if someone is offended by my questions!
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