Gender Discussion #111

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I think the reason that men are apparently worse than us at clocking is because TIMs aren't an existential threat to them the way they are to women. Evolutionary biology has shown that in terms of what we notice as we walk through the world, our brain puts threats first and everything else after. That's why we can be walking through a beautiful garden engrossed in convo with a friend but we'll still startle if our peripheral vision detects some strang sudden movement off to the side - the brain will intervene to call our attention to anything that might threaten our life.

TIMs aren't a threat to men because they can see they're just fellow men in drag. So their brain pops it in the 'ignore' category. TIMs are a threat to us for the same reason - they are men, in drag - and they want access to our safe spaces. So our lizard brain can rightly see that as a threat to life/safety because it is.

That's why it's always men who say things like, "They're only 1% of the population, why you so pressed?" We are pressed because you can still be killed by a tiny minority if you happen across it when it's having a bad day. The lizard brain doesn't give a tit about statistics. It doesn't care that there really aren't many woolly mammoths in the vicinity of your cave. It's still going to violently alert you whenever something that MIGHT be a woolly mammoth is in your peripheral vision, though. Just in case.
Precisely. We don't need to look at a man walking behind us down a dark street, let alone know how he identifies, to know he's male.
 
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Precisely. We don't need to look at a man walking behind us down a dark street, let alone know how he identifies, to know he's male.
Truth. And let's face it you don't even need to look around to know he's there. You get that prickle on the back of your neck, you can hear it, you just know.

Millions of years of evo bio to get our species to the top of the food chain and a bunch of dudes in dresses and Twitter woke scolds (thinking of YOU, Laurie Penny) want us to throw it all over in the name of #bekind

Honestly it's no wonder the whole trans cult failed. Pit woke ideology over millennia of material reality and the latter witch will win in a slap fight every single time.
 
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There's been untold damage caused to (particularly young) women by teaching them to override their instincts and telling them not to question someone in their spaces. In a time where it's acknowledged that MVAWG is off the scale and declared by the government to be an emergency, training women and girls to ignore their in built security mechanisms is disgusting.
 
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This isn't surprising. Many years ago, working in a medical practice in an area with a very mixed population including many Muslim families, we'd have some women attend very frequently because going to the doctor was their only legitimate reason for leaving the house, and they'd be in trouble if they went home without evidence (in the form of a prescription) that it had been a necessary visit. It was a highly illuminating experience.
Similar here - I worked with a surgeon (breast and endocrine), and many Muslim women who had severe problems requiring hysterectomy/ mastectomy were refused permission by their husbands because it rendered them "domestically unavailable" for a long period of time afterwards.
 
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There's been untold damage caused to (particularly young) women by teaching them to override their instincts and telling them not to question someone in their spaces. In a time where it's acknowledged that MVAWG is off the scale and declared by the government to be an emergency, training women and girls to ignore their in built security mechanisms is disgusting.
Yeah I think any ideology which requires that you override basic survival instinct is probably a terrible idea
 
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Reading Alan Davies's second memoir and pleased that so far he's referred to Eddie Izzard as 'he'.

So used to everything being retroactively transed and everyone walking on eggshells it actually caught me off guard!
I started listening to the Life's a Beach podcast ep with Chris McCausland and he and Alan refer to Eddie Izzard as Eddie and "he/his". They're talking about the late 90s and I haven't got around to listening to the rest, but so far no "oh how wonderful he found his "girl mode"".

IIRC Eddie has said that he doesn't mind people calling him Eddie or male. Is that being reasonable or cynically knowing that he's famous as Eddie and gets male acting roles?
 
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I started listening to the Life's a Beach podcast ep with Chris McCausland and he and Alan refer to Eddie Izzard as Eddie and "he/his". They're talking about the late 90s and I haven't got around to listening to the rest, but so far no "oh how wonderful he found his "girl mode"".

IIRC Eddie has said that he doesn't mind people calling him Eddie or male. Is that being reasonable or cynically knowing that he's famous as Eddie and gets male acting roles?

How wonderfully progressive of our Suzie to not mind being called a man when we have gawjus pics of him in the DM looking like a hod carrier was a sperm donor to Pat Butcher with his great hulking thighs squeezed into those tiny boots, his tiny skirt barely masking his rooster and balls and his Elizabeth 2nd style make up. Eddie, mate, twatting around looking like Widow Twankey and queuing up for the ladies loos in your pink coat show you for the bleeping deviant predator you are.

You, Grayson Perry and the majority of the 'models' for snag tights are hiding in plain sight. But us women, actual, real women, see you for the bleeping perverts you are. & we are simultaneously laughing at you and despising you.
 
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Cats among Scottish pigeons - the Proclaimers are TERFs

“I’m not transphobic. I’m not against a man identifying as a woman, dressing as a woman. I’m not against any of that. All I’m against is saying that he actually is a woman when he’s not a woman. A lot of these folk are basically truth-phobic. They’ll deny the biological reality. Then if you insist on it, they’ll say that you are hurting their feelings. That you’re disrespecting them. But I respect reality and scientific fact, not myth.”
... “I think it’s the Left losing their collective mind. JK Rowling: I think she was absolutely wrong on Scottish independence and has been proved wrong. But I think she’s absolutely right on women’s rights rights"


"The Proclaimers: The trans lobby are truth-phobic

... Craig didn’t vote SNP for the first time since 1983. That reason was “the anger that I still feel that they passed a self ID bill which was so bad”. He’s talking about the 2022 Gender Recognition Reform Bill that makes it easier for individuals to change their legal gender. “It’s so badly done that it inevitably led to violent men, including convicted rapists, being sent to women’s prison. For me, that is unforgivable.”

This particular topic, in turn, informed the writing of the album’s title track. You May Offend is about what the twins see as the imperilment of free speech. “Just by giving out the thoughts in your head,” croons Craig in the sweeping ballad, “you may reach a point where some will wish you dead.”

“There’s women, actual women, who are threatened with violence – sometimes get violence – and de-platformed because they have the temerity to say that a woman is an adult human female,” says Craig. “And they are shouted down by 0.5 per cent in a population who are male and who think that because they put on a dress, and they put on make-up, that that makes them a female.”

“People have lost their careers over that,” says Charlie. “Linehan was the obvious one. None of his pals stood up for him. I wouldn’t agree with everything Linehan says any more than I would do with JK Rowling,” he continues of the Harry Potter author, whose vociferous support of women’s rights, like Linehan’s, has led to her being pilloried by the trans lobby. “But you’ve got the right to stand up for science and logic. And in his case, it’s a tragedy. He lost his career for telling the truth.”
They insist that they say this not with bile. “It’s incredulity at a lot of what’s going on,” clarifies Craig, although he will allow that their views could be a function of age. “Anybody, as they get older, maybe that [feeling] does take over. You don’t understand the way that the world is now the way that you did before. Maybe that’s true. But some of the stuff I see now, it’s laughable.”
Nonetheless, whatever your age, thinks Charlie, “you have to stand up to say, ‘I disagree.’ Or, ‘I very much agree with this person.’ And you take the consequences.”

He highlights the public distancing from Rowling of Daniel Radcliffe, Emma Watson and Rupert Grint, the former child stars of the Harry Potter films – or, as he pithily describes them, “those f---ing bairns who Rowling made massive fortunes [for]… It was not necessary that each of them stood up and agreed with her. But you would have thought someone would stand up and say, ‘We live in a free country. Thank goodness we have freedom of speech. She is exercising her right to a point of view. I do not necessarily support it. But I support her right to say something.’ I don’t remember any of them saying anything [like that].”
This, explains Craig, is why he wrote You May Offend. “We’re getting the stage now where people are getting scared to say what they think because people are being cancelled. Because people have been prosecuted or threatened by prosecution.”

... Having known them for so long, I wouldn’t have said that the Reids have a discriminatory bone in their body. Grumpy old men, perhaps. Still: is Craig not worried that, in saying these things, he’s presenting as transphobic?

“I’m not transphobic. I’m not against a man identifying as a woman, dressing as a woman. I’m not against any of that. All I’m against is saying that he actually is a woman when he’s not a woman. A lot of these folk are basically truth-phobic. They’ll deny the biological reality. Then if you insist on it, they’ll say that you are hurting their feelings. That you’re disrespecting them. But I respect reality and scientific fact, not myth.”
... “I think it’s the Left losing their collective mind. JK Rowling: I think she was absolutely wrong on Scottish independence and has been proved wrong. But I think she’s absolutely right on women’s rights rights"
 
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Cats among Scottish pigeons - the Proclaimers are TERFs

“I’m not transphobic. I’m not against a man identifying as a woman, dressing as a woman. I’m not against any of that. All I’m against is saying that he actually is a woman when he’s not a woman. A lot of these folk are basically truth-phobic. They’ll deny the biological reality. Then if you insist on it, they’ll say that you are hurting their feelings. That you’re disrespecting them. But I respect reality and scientific fact, not myth.”
... “I think it’s the Left losing their collective mind. JK Rowling: I think she was absolutely wrong on Scottish independence and has been proved wrong. But I think she’s absolutely right on women’s rights rights"


"The Proclaimers: The trans lobby are truth-phobic

... Craig didn’t vote SNP for the first time since 1983. That reason was “the anger that I still feel that they passed a self ID bill which was so bad”. He’s talking about the 2022 Gender Recognition Reform Bill that makes it easier for individuals to change their legal gender. “It’s so badly done that it inevitably led to violent men, including convicted rapists, being sent to women’s prison. For me, that is unforgivable.”

This particular topic, in turn, informed the writing of the album’s title track. You May Offend is about what the twins see as the imperilment of free speech. “Just by giving out the thoughts in your head,” croons Craig in the sweeping ballad, “you may reach a point where some will wish you dead.”

“There’s women, actual women, who are threatened with violence – sometimes get violence – and de-platformed because they have the temerity to say that a woman is an adult human female,” says Craig. “And they are shouted down by 0.5 per cent in a population who are male and who think that because they put on a dress, and they put on make-up, that that makes them a female.”

“People have lost their careers over that,” says Charlie. “Linehan was the obvious one. None of his pals stood up for him. I wouldn’t agree with everything Linehan says any more than I would do with JK Rowling,” he continues of the Harry Potter author, whose vociferous support of women’s rights, like Linehan’s, has led to her being pilloried by the trans lobby. “But you’ve got the right to stand up for science and logic. And in his case, it’s a tragedy. He lost his career for telling the truth.”
They insist that they say this not with bile. “It’s incredulity at a lot of what’s going on,” clarifies Craig, although he will allow that their views could be a function of age. “Anybody, as they get older, maybe that [feeling] does take over. You don’t understand the way that the world is now the way that you did before. Maybe that’s true. But some of the stuff I see now, it’s laughable.”
Nonetheless, whatever your age, thinks Charlie, “you have to stand up to say, ‘I disagree.’ Or, ‘I very much agree with this person.’ And you take the consequences.”

He highlights the public distancing from Rowling of Daniel Radcliffe, Emma Watson and Rupert Grint, the former child stars of the Harry Potter films – or, as he pithily describes them, “those f---ing bairns who Rowling made massive fortunes [for]… It was not necessary that each of them stood up and agreed with her. But you would have thought someone would stand up and say, ‘We live in a free country. Thank goodness we have freedom of speech. She is exercising her right to a point of view. I do not necessarily support it. But I support her right to say something.’ I don’t remember any of them saying anything [like that].”
This, explains Craig, is why he wrote You May Offend. “We’re getting the stage now where people are getting scared to say what they think because people are being cancelled. Because people have been prosecuted or threatened by prosecution.”

... Having known them for so long, I wouldn’t have said that the Reids have a discriminatory bone in their body. Grumpy old men, perhaps. Still: is Craig not worried that, in saying these things, he’s presenting as transphobic?

“I’m not transphobic. I’m not against a man identifying as a woman, dressing as a woman. I’m not against any of that. All I’m against is saying that he actually is a woman when he’s not a woman. A lot of these folk are basically truth-phobic. They’ll deny the biological reality. Then if you insist on it, they’ll say that you are hurting their feelings. That you’re disrespecting them. But I respect reality and scientific fact, not myth.”
... “I think it’s the Left losing their collective mind. JK Rowling: I think she was absolutely wrong on Scottish independence and has been proved wrong. But I think she’s absolutely right on women’s rights rights"
I was literally just heading here with screenshots of that - did not have that on my 2026 bingo card!
 
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Cats among Scottish pigeons - the Proclaimers are TERFs

“I’m not transphobic. I’m not against a man identifying as a woman, dressing as a woman. I’m not against any of that. All I’m against is saying that he actually is a woman when he’s not a woman. A lot of these folk are basically truth-phobic. They’ll deny the biological reality. Then if you insist on it, they’ll say that you are hurting their feelings. That you’re disrespecting them. But I respect reality and scientific fact, not myth.”
... “I think it’s the Left losing their collective mind. JK Rowling: I think she was absolutely wrong on Scottish independence and has been proved wrong. But I think she’s absolutely right on women’s rights rights"


"The Proclaimers: The trans lobby are truth-phobic

... Craig didn’t vote SNP for the first time since 1983. That reason was “the anger that I still feel that they passed a self ID bill which was so bad”. He’s talking about the 2022 Gender Recognition Reform Bill that makes it easier for individuals to change their legal gender. “It’s so badly done that it inevitably led to violent men, including convicted rapists, being sent to women’s prison. For me, that is unforgivable.”

This particular topic, in turn, informed the writing of the album’s title track. You May Offend is about what the twins see as the imperilment of free speech. “Just by giving out the thoughts in your head,” croons Craig in the sweeping ballad, “you may reach a point where some will wish you dead.”

“There’s women, actual women, who are threatened with violence – sometimes get violence – and de-platformed because they have the temerity to say that a woman is an adult human female,” says Craig. “And they are shouted down by 0.5 per cent in a population who are male and who think that because they put on a dress, and they put on make-up, that that makes them a female.”

“People have lost their careers over that,” says Charlie. “Linehan was the obvious one. None of his pals stood up for him. I wouldn’t agree with everything Linehan says any more than I would do with JK Rowling,” he continues of the Harry Potter author, whose vociferous support of women’s rights, like Linehan’s, has led to her being pilloried by the trans lobby. “But you’ve got the right to stand up for science and logic. And in his case, it’s a tragedy. He lost his career for telling the truth.”
They insist that they say this not with bile. “It’s incredulity at a lot of what’s going on,” clarifies Craig, although he will allow that their views could be a function of age. “Anybody, as they get older, maybe that [feeling] does take over. You don’t understand the way that the world is now the way that you did before. Maybe that’s true. But some of the stuff I see now, it’s laughable.”
Nonetheless, whatever your age, thinks Charlie, “you have to stand up to say, ‘I disagree.’ Or, ‘I very much agree with this person.’ And you take the consequences.”

He highlights the public distancing from Rowling of Daniel Radcliffe, Emma Watson and Rupert Grint, the former child stars of the Harry Potter films – or, as he pithily describes them, “those f---ing bairns who Rowling made massive fortunes [for]… It was not necessary that each of them stood up and agreed with her. But you would have thought someone would stand up and say, ‘We live in a free country. Thank goodness we have freedom of speech. She is exercising her right to a point of view. I do not necessarily support it. But I support her right to say something.’ I don’t remember any of them saying anything [like that].”
This, explains Craig, is why he wrote You May Offend. “We’re getting the stage now where people are getting scared to say what they think because people are being cancelled. Because people have been prosecuted or threatened by prosecution.”

... Having known them for so long, I wouldn’t have said that the Reids have a discriminatory bone in their body. Grumpy old men, perhaps. Still: is Craig not worried that, in saying these things, he’s presenting as transphobic?

“I’m not transphobic. I’m not against a man identifying as a woman, dressing as a woman. I’m not against any of that. All I’m against is saying that he actually is a woman when he’s not a woman. A lot of these folk are basically truth-phobic. They’ll deny the biological reality. Then if you insist on it, they’ll say that you are hurting their feelings. That you’re disrespecting them. But I respect reality and scientific fact, not myth.”
... “I think it’s the Left losing their collective mind. JK Rowling: I think she was absolutely wrong on Scottish independence and has been proved wrong. But I think she’s absolutely right on women’s rights rights"
Proclaimers begin their UK tour next month, 32 dates. (y)
 
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This is an excoriating demolition of Stella Creasy by JK Rowling!
Words cannot express how precious this woman is nor how important she has been to this fight.

Also have you noticed how no one ever recovers from one of her verbal lashings. Emma Watson's career as never been th same
 
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Similar here - I worked with a surgeon (breast and endocrine), and many Muslim women who had severe problems requiring hysterectomy/ mastectomy were refused permission by their husbands because it rendered them "domestically unavailable" for a long period of time afterwards.
It's a matter of legend in my family that my paternal grandmother died young because in the early 1960s her husband (not of any religious persuasion, just a deeply unpleasant man) had the power to decide that she shouldn't have potentially lifesaving heart surgery due to the inconvenience her convalescence would cause him. It's an illustration of the importance of pushing against any attempt to turn back the clock on women's rights. Including having a very low tolerance for misogynistic ideologies, however they're dressed up.
 
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It's a matter of legend in my family that my paternal grandmother died young because in the early 1960s her husband (not of any religious persuasion, just a deeply unpleasant man) had the power to decide that she shouldn't have potentially lifesaving heart surgery due to the inconvenience her convalescence would cause him. It's an illustration of the importance of pushing against any attempt to turn back the clock on women's rights. Including having a very low tolerance for misogynistic ideologies, however they're dressed up.
I agree wholeheartedly @TartanTallulah I Remember my mother complaining that the dr and my dad wouldn’t let her have the pill as she was Catholic not even practicing but she resented it and I couldn’t blame her once I was grown up and understood. I hated my husband for not get sterilised when they told him my life was at risk and they wouldn’t give me a hysterectomy as I was too young and ill even now I resent it. and try not to be bitter we should make our own minds up nothing to do with anyone else religion, customs, society or anything else we deal with the consequences ourself..omo
 
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