Gender Discussion #109

[diamondthunder]

I was also happy to read practically anything, including non-fiction and adult books I didn't understand at all.

I think it's a bit harsh to judge parents for not supervising their kids' reading material. For a start, it's never been the norm to do that. Judge them for not supervising media viewing and internet usage, yes, but you can't look up content warnings for most books and what parent has time to read them cover to cover?

Hell, the book with the most swearing, drugs and sex I can ever remember reading when I was maybe 13 was a Christmas present from elderly family friends, lol. It was meant for an older teen, and they'd clearly either just grabbed whatever from the YA shelf or had the bookstore worker pick it out. It was boring tit in a genre I was uninterested in, and probably meant for a boy as well (some angsty coming of age dreck that hit every stereotypical teen problem imaginable - dysfunctional parents, addiction, bullying, desperation to lose virginity blah blah blah) but I still read all of it because kids are curious about stuff they don't understand and like feeling grown-up.

I don't think it did me any harm either, and I think precocious readers choosing to read stuff above their demographic is quite a bit different to material that misrepresents transitioning as 'yay, wave a magic wand and live your true self!' being aimed at kids too young to understand it's not realistic.

I suppose it depends how closely parents supervise their children's reading. Meaning those of junior school age.
My parents certainly didn't in the 1980s and at age 8 I read a book given to them by friends all about spontaneous human combustion and the Lindbergh baby.

Young children I can only presume the parents have swallowed all the be kind bull.

Sadly and I'll sound like a snob but education standards and what is taught does appear to have decreased over the years.

lol, I loved that kind of book and was seeking them out on my own by 8 or 9. I had all of Terry Deary's Horrible Histories and True Horror/Ghost/UFO/Crime etc Stories.

My mum had a bunch of books about Halloween, which I'm pretty sure she'd never read and mostly liked just for the ~aesthetic of pumpkins and autumn leaves, plus some recipes, but I read them all. They were full of spooky stories and stuff like the history of witch trials, how Vlad the Impaler and Elizabeth Bathory inspired vampire myths etc. She confiscated them when something or other scared me into having a nightmare and I was so mad!

And it was so disappointing to get older and realise most of the mysterious, exciting accounts of paranormal events were likely just people making tit up. I wanted to believe in the Bermuda Triangle, dammit, but it's 100% just men getting lost and refusing to admit they ducked up so it must be some strange otherworldly forces' fault.

 

[Mismatched Pegs]

I had all of Terry Deary's Horrible Histories and True Horror/Ghost/UFO/Crime etc Stories.

Totally, totally off topic but my junior school teacher was married to Terry Deary and she used to read us his books. If I remember rightly (and I'm pretty sure I do) she read us his third book before it had been published. This was pre Horrible Histories by quite some way. Calamity Kate and The Custard Kid will always have a piece of my heart. I emailed him when I had my precious first born to see if it was possible to still get it (nope) and he sent back a lovely response telling me what Mrs D was up to. I bloody loved her.

 

[diamondthunder]

Totally, totally off topic but my junior school teacher was married to Terry Deary and she used to read us his books. If I remember rightly (and I'm pretty sure I do) she read us his third book before it had been published. This was pre Horrible Histories by quite some way. Calamity Kate and The Custard Kid will always have a piece of my heart. I emailed him when I had my precious first born to see if it was possible to still get it (nope) and he sent back a lovely response telling me what Mrs D was up to. I bloody loved her.

Ok that genuinely made my day! That's so cool, and a lovely story about your teacher.

I've never heard of that book, it must have been a bit before my time but it sounds like I would have loved it. The Doris Day Calamity Jane movie was/is one my favourites.

 

[Peachsquish]

I was also happy to read practically anything, including non-fiction and adult books I didn't understand at all.

I think it's a bit harsh to judge parents for not supervising their kids' reading material. For a start, it's never been the norm to do that. Judge them for not supervising media viewing and internet usage, yes, but you can't look up content warnings for most books and what parent has time to read them cover to cover?

Hell, the book with the most swearing, drugs and sex I can ever remember reading when I was maybe 13 was a Christmas present from elderly family friends, lol. It was meant for an older teen, and they'd clearly either just grabbed whatever from the YA shelf or had the bookstore worker pick it out. It was boring tit in a genre I was uninterested in, and probably meant for a boy as well (some angsty coming of age dreck that hit every stereotypical teen problem imaginable - dysfunctional parents, addiction, bullying, desperation to lose virginity blah blah blah) but I still read all of it because kids are curious about stuff they don't understand and like feeling grown-up.

I don't think it did me any harm either, and I think precocious readers choosing to read stuff above their demographic is quite a bit different to material that misrepresents transitioning as 'yay, wave a magic wand and live your true self!' being aimed at kids too young to understand it's not realistic.



lol, I loved that kind of book and was seeking them out on my own by 8 or 9. I had all of Terry Deary's Horrible Histories and True Horror/Ghost/UFO/Crime etc Stories.

My mum had a bunch of books about Halloween, which I'm pretty sure she'd never read and mostly liked just for the ~aesthetic of pumpkins and autumn leaves, plus some recipes, but I read them all. They were full of spooky stories and stuff like the history of witch trials, how Vlad the Impaler and Elizabeth Bathory inspired vampire myths etc. She confiscated them when something or other scared me into having a nightmare and I was so mad!

And it was so disappointing to get older and realise most of the mysterious, exciting accounts of paranormal events were likely just people making tit up. I wanted to believe in the Bermuda Triangle, dammit, but it's 100% just men getting lost and refusing to admit they ducked up so it must be some strange otherworldly forces' fault.

Supervision doesn't necessarily mean sitting over them whilst they read.

But junior school age starts at 7 -8 its not unreasonable to assume a parent would at least have a quick look at the cover/blurb to just check its not wildly inappropriate, and if necessary swop or say this is meant for older children come and talk to me if you are worried by something in it, or its okay not to finish it if you don't enjoy it.

My junior school made you finish every book you chose and you had to do at least a paragraph about the book and what you thought

Libraries after all do stock black lace books.

Children interested in pirates or magic might be a tad surprised with the amulet or between the devil and the deep blue sea.

 

[ChastityDingle]

I hope that the rest of the NHS and other public bodies are taking note.

I am glad to see this, but so sad that those women had to go through that. The money that was wasted also, just because an entitled man demanded to use the women's facilities and those in authority bowed down before him. Instead of telling him to cop the fcuk on.

 

[VC10]

The BBC ploughs on with its agenda

Thats all thats important to the bbc. The sooner they collapse, get broken up and sold off the better.

 

[MooBelle]

The BBC ploughs on with its agenda

Ffs. That muppet was on another BBC report 2 weeks ago as a part of a rental scam thing. Basically 5 people all.paid a deposit and turned up to give in on the same day and realised they'd been scammed.
He was dressed like Dr Who then as well.

 

[Never would have guest]

Ffs. That muppet was on another BBC report 2 weeks ago as a part of a rental scam thing. Basically 5 people all.paid a deposit and turned up to give in on the same day and realised they'd been scammed.
He was dressed like Dr Who then as well.

Dr What.

 

[petitspois]

A family just walked past. Dad in jeans and a t shirt, children dressed appropriately for summer and a woman completely covered with only a slit to see out of. She didn’t even look human. It’s abhorrent. He was basically taking his slave out.

 

[JAR21]

A family just walked past. Dad in jeans and a t shirt, children dressed appropriately for summer and a woman completely covered with only a slit to see out of. She didn’t even look human. It’s abhorrent. He was basically taking his slave out.

That drives me mental.

 

[ButtonDownTheHutches]

Ffs. That muppet was on another BBC report 2 weeks ago as a part of a rental scam thing. Basically 5 people all.paid a deposit and turned up to give in on the same day and realised they'd been scammed.
He was dressed like Dr Who then as well.

Oh, it was that one! I knew I recognised the “name” (that’s not a name ), and I remember looking at the photo of him and his fellow flat-sharers and thinking they looked like a bunch of utter fuckwits.

 

[DoraMaar]

 

[Peachsquish]

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dailydeclaration.org.au

 

[emmer_moans]

That drives me mental.

And the layers of clothing are usually clearly polyester too makes me feel ill just thinking about it. I live in a multicultural city so see this a lot. The other day a lady was wearing the full outfit and her dress layer covered trousers which poked out at ankle length, which looked to be thick material. Meanwhile I was swooning from the heat on the way back from the shop in my loose white cotton blouse.




And influencer (rich) female muslims on Instagram often say "but it's my choice"....is it though, when you have your whole family and culture with expectations feeding into your decision and non compliance will cause you having to justify/explain if you don't dress that way? That's a lot of peer pressure.

The message it sends girls seeing their mum dressing head to toe in black polyester in the summmer

 

[Miss Ophelia]

And the layers of clothing are usually clearly polyester too makes me feel ill just thinking about it. I live in a multicultural city so see this a lot. The other day a lady was wearing the full outfit and her dress layer covered trousers which poked out at ankle length, which looked to be thick material. Meanwhile I was swooning from the heat on the way back from the shop in my loose white cotton blouse.




And influencer (rich) female muslims on Instagram often say "but it's my choice"....is it though, when you have your whole family and culture with expectations feeding into your decision and non compliance will cause you having to justify/explain if you don't dress that way? That's a lot of peer pressure.

The message it sends girls seeing their mum dressing head to toe in black polyester in the summmer

Yet up until the later 1970’s the ladies worn western clothes it’s a man’s world🤍

 

[catsandsoup]

And the layers of clothing are usually clearly polyester too makes me feel ill just thinking about it. I live in a multicultural city so see this a lot. The other day a lady was wearing the full outfit and her dress layer covered trousers which poked out at ankle length, which looked to be thick material. Meanwhile I was swooning from the heat on the way back from the shop in my loose white cotton blouse.




And influencer (rich) female muslims on Instagram often say "but it's my choice"....is it though, when you have your whole family and culture with expectations feeding into your decision and non compliance will cause you having to justify/explain if you don't dress that way? That's a lot of peer pressure.

The message it sends girls seeing their mum dressing head to toe in black polyester in the summmer

And it used to be pushed as 'Oh, the girls never have to do it until puberty', then big surprise, the slow creep of 'Or primary school...or toddlers'.
(I also notice literally every time there's a kids news report - we used to watch Newsround every day at my old job - they have a girl in a hijab in shot or interviewed, even if it's like, that place in the Highlands with 3 people.)
I saw a little girl the other day, could not have been more than 3, in hijab. Big brother in shorts and a tee shirt, of course.

 

[ButtonDownTheHutches]

This is how the BBC are choosing to report the Darlington nurses’ victory: as a ‘trans’ changing room case, rather than a FEMALE changing room violation.

 

[NeverEnough]

I wonder how much medication this would have funded? How many extra nurses? All for one man’s delusion.

 

[ButtonDownTheHutches]

This is how the BBC are choosing to report the Darlington nurses’ victory: as a ‘trans’ changing room case, rather than a FEMALE changing room violation.

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Quoting myself to add that I’ve submitted a complaint, as follows:

The headline for this article states that it was a ‘trans changing room tribunal’. This is intentionally misleading. The case related to a trans-identified biological male using the female changing room. There is no ‘trans changing room’ at that hospital. If there was, female nurses would not have raised concerns about a biologically male person accessing the female (i.e. single sex) changing room.
You know this. Everyone who has followed the case knows this, but you intentionally published the article under an inaccurate headline. Why?

Let’s see if they deign to grace me with anything other than a boilerplate response.

 

[Scotch Mist]

The BBC needs a radical overhaul but it's always been an elitist institution. When I left University in the 1980s I wanted to get a job there and managed to have a conversation with a friend of my father's who worked there. He told me I'd stand no chance of getting in at that time as my degree wasn't good enough and I didn't go to Oxford or Cambridge!
I doubt that very much has changed in the intervening years apart from the DEI quotas having to be met.
It's the home of metropolitan wealthy socialists who hold luxury beliefs unaffected by poverty and like to patronise the population.

Irritating though they are I wouldn't like the BBC to disappear despite the fact that I don't watch many of their programmes these days. It's probably time that they moved to being a streaming service like everyone else so that people have a choice if they want to pay. The best thing about them currently is the lack of adverts.

It would be a wake up call if they really had to compete properly and actually cater for their audience. To start with HIGNIFY needs to be binned as it hasn't been funny for years, along with Mrs Brown (utter crap) and their current obsession with Drag Queens which the general public don't share. Wake up you fools.