Gender Discussion #108

[Red80's]

"Trans people will be left with a choice between researching toilet provision every time we go out". So f*cking tone deaf. What do they think women have been doing for years? What do they think disabled people do?

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Exactly, on the news yesterday there was a story about the writer Jack Thorne, who is in a wheelchair and he was funding an accessible building and toilets so people with disabilities can go to college and study to be writers, directors etc. He said that when he went to college he would have to drive to a supermarket to use an accessible toilet as there were none available in his college building. That's what inclusion is, providing the most basic facilities for all people to access safely and with dignity to allow them to live their lives. Not indulging in a fetish, a victim complex and some made up oppression. They really are pathetic.

It also struck me how he is working in the 'Arts' and how captured they are in making everything inclusive for trans but they clearly don't give a shit about including people with a disability in their profession, or in society in general.

 

[Mismatched Pegs]

This is what I find so odd about drag queens being vaunted as evidence of ‘inclusivity’. It’s purely a performance genre

Yep, drag queens are no more representative of the LGB community than burlesque dancers are representative of women.
It's really odd.
Oh and libraries: if you want to show the normality of LGB people, you don't need to get drag queens in to read stories to little kids (because on what planet is an adult entertainer an appropriate role model? You don't get strippers in to do it and there'd rightly be a bit of a hoo-hah if you did) Why not invite Billy's two mums to come in and read? Or John the fireman who also happens to be gay? They'd probably do it for free and you can save some of your budget to put on free teas and coffees for lonely older people one day a week. True inclusion is really fucking easy and you don't need a fuckton of glitter to do it.

 

[Mismatched Pegs]

Blackpool Labour MPs telling their constituents exactly where they stand (and it isn’t with women)

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Blackpool is one of the most deprived areas in England. There are several neighbourhoods in the area that consistently rank among the Top 10 deprived areas in the country. 40% of kids in the area live in poverty, and the population suffer high rates of serious mental illness, alcohol related deaths and significantly reduced life expectancy.
And this, this is what the local MPs are spending their time on?!? Fuck me. Sometimes I feel like I live on another fucking planet.

 

[cokeyoakey]

"Trans people will be left with a choice between researching toilet provision every time we go out". So f*cking tone deaf. What do they think women have been doing for years? What do they think disabled people do?

They really are the most self-centred of blokes.

 

[Dinate]

So y'all remember the Sunderland church that decided that following the law wasn't for them? They said that women should ask staff to accompany them to the toilets if they had concerns about sharing them with men. Well, turns out that the church's trustees aren't so gung-ho about breaking the law so there has been a swift reverse ferret.

This is surely a situation where thoughts and prayers are greatly needed.

 

[TheMiceInTheShed]

"Trans people will be left with a choice between researching toilet provision every time we go out". So f*cking tone deaf. What do they think women have been doing for years? What do they think disabled people do?

They really are the most self-centred of blokes.View attachment 4004288

They have got toilet provision - the toilets appropriate for their SEX, and they have the protection of the law - they can do what women do, and if men assault them, fight back as well as they can and then report the incident to the police - the law protects them from assault by men just as It protects women - by providing redress if they can catch the assailant.

Remind me, "Alexandra" - how many transwomen have been murdered in the gents' toilets? Oh - none. OooooKay . . . How many have been assaulted? Just for going for a wee? No details to hand, eh. Never mind. You can get back to me. Meantime let me know if you need help researching how many women and girls have been murdered, raped, beaten up in the ladies' toilets by men dressed as women. I'm willing to bet that I can find a list of them faster than you can find your list.

If you don't want to share male provision, do what women have had to do - raise a bit of dosh and build your own toilets, rape crisis centres, domestic violence units, "menopause" support groups, "breastfeeding" groups and so on. We did it, and so can you - especially as society is very keen on helping you with funding - get Jolyon to give you some of the cash he raises to fund his windmill court cases. Do a bit of crowdfunding - that's a source women didn't have back in the day. We did it on our own. And we're keeping it.

 

[DoraMaar]

One good outcome of the Murrell case in Scotland is that Nicola Sturgeon now knows what a man is . She's quoted in the SundayTimes as saying she should not be 'held responsible for the wrongdoing of men',

 

[Funny_bunny]

Or black and white minstrels? Why is one celebrated and the other (rightly) seen as insulting and degrading?

I LOATHE drag and the fact it’s seen as above criticism. It’s womanface, pure and simple and I can’t see any reason why it’s any less offensive than, say, The Black And White Minstrels or It Ain’t Half Hot Mum. Said it before I but I also loathe clowns and I see drag queens in much the same way, grotesque parodies of humans, someone hiding behind a facade. It’s also usually pretty crude in a disparaging way about women.
In this world of inclusivity (allegedly) I find it awful that we’re told what to think, and what to like. That’s not very inclusive is it. Plus, it only seems to take men’s feelings into account.

 

[LloydsBoosters]

I pop in and out of the current thread cos I’m still making my way through all the previous ones. I’m on #73 at the moment. I wish there was a way we could all meet and discuss in person, this is the only place I see multiple opinions the same as mine.

 

[cokeyoakey]

https://www.archive.is/oldest/https...ple-segregation-parliament-supreme-court-ehrc

Heartbreaking article in the guardian today. Apparently there's been a shared understanding of the law for decades until now. Really?? Shared by who? The trans community? Main worries are toilets (as always) and being placed on a mens ward in hospital (more worried about his own discomfort than the actual womens on the ward that he'd rather be on). Also bangs on about how the government can stop this at any time! Is that even true? I thought the law was the law & the Supreme Court was the final stop for this?

Yeah, mate, we don't want you in our spaces.

 

[ButtonDownTheHutches]

Drag is not a ‘gender’, a sexuality or any other type of protected characteristic. It’s just a man pretending to be a woman so people will laugh at him in a comedy setting. I find it so odd how they’ve been elevated into some kind of priest caste for such trivial shite. If you say anything about a drag queen on social media that isn’t gushing and slavish worship about how glam they are you can literally hear your ‘progressive’ friends seething through the screen.

This is what I find so odd about drag queens being vaunted as evidence of ‘inclusivity’. It’s purely a performance genre

Maybe the BBC should start wheeling out trapeze artistes or contortionists to comment on how they’ve been personally affected by various random news stories. That would be quite fun

 

[MaineCoonMama]

What the ever loving fuck has happened to everyone? I ask this daily but how why how ugh!

Also would a biological girl be allowed to dress like that or wear that much makeup at school? I highly doubt it. She'd be punished and her parents would be hearing from the principal about 'standards.'

 

[ButtonDownTheHutches]

Or black and white minstrels? Why is one celebrated and the other (rightly) seen as insulting and degrading?

For the same reason that Rachel Dolzeal is lambasted as a heinous disgrace, but Bob from accounts is lauded for his stunning bravery when he turns up to work in a polyester babydoll dress and a cheap wig.

 

[Innocent Hamster]

Can someone explain to me why people assume that if you're GC you are also a homophobe when the trans army appear to be exceedingly homophobic and most GC aren't in the least bit homophobic?

 

[Rabbitweed]

It's 'safe' for celebs to say they're allies, because realistically they'll not have to use a public toilet where men might be or think twice about sharing a village style swimming pool changing room with everyone or accessing SA support services where it might not actually be women only. They can pontificate from their elevated position of security, safe in their misguided knowledge that if it doesnt affect them, then it doesnt affect anyone.

 

[MaineCoonMama]

Imagine living in a world where men treated women as well as they treat men dressed as women.

 

[Rowling]

As a gay man , I have second hand embarrassment for these companies jumping on the pride bandwagon by whipping a rainbow onto their logos and tat they are flogging. Especially as Pride has been taken away from gay men , lesbians and bisexuals and has been highjacked by the trans movement and trans is now the “headline act” of any Pride event.

 

[goldshoes]

The Baroness giving the FBU what for on the law

 

[Ilovemusic]

One good outcome of the Murrell case in Scotland is that Nicola Sturgeon now knows what a man is . She's quoted in the SundayTimes as saying she should not be 'held responsible for the wrongdoing of men',

However, she will always be held responsible for betraying women in Scotland.

 

[Ekathrina]

Drag is not a ‘gender’, a sexuality or any other type of protected characteristic. It’s just a man pretending to be a woman so people will laugh at him in a comedy setting. I find it so odd how they’ve been elevated into some kind of priest caste for such trivial shite. If you say anything about a drag queen on social media that isn’t gushing and slavish worship about how glam they are you can literally hear your ‘progressive’ friends seething through the screen.