French Politics

[Yel]

is 58vs42 really that decisive with all the beavers and the lowest turnout since the 60s?

If Le Pen had of got a few good blows in the debate it could have been very close to being another brexit or trump event.

At least hopefully we'll now see less of him on the world stage, watching his long walk with the children to the victory podium is enough Macron for this quarter.

 

[Romy]

You will still see him as any other French president I'm afraid

It's a very clear victory, whatever the reasons, although they well know a lot of people voted against LP.
The debate normally influences only about 2% of voters max (according to a specialist the other day but I can't remember his name, sorry).
And it's sad but LP's voters are not generally the most educated ones. She thrives on the people fears.

French are still quite attached to the European Union. So am I. Even LP had to (officially) change her views on this.

 

[thegirlscout]

At least hopefully we'll now see less of him on the world stage,

He wants to be the de facto head of the European Union. Plus his weekly chats with Putin!

 

[NeverEnough]

So you could get some right wing people like MLP in the parliament?
Not a fan of Macron, hopefully him winning means we don’t have to endure anymore photos showing his chest hair. Don’t really know much about Le Pen apart from being quite far right and has ties to Moscow.

It looks like s resounding victory of the centre right over the hard right.

 

[Yel]

Seems like a big win for le pen, but I don't know a great deal about it all. The number of seats doesn't seem that impressive compared to the others

 

[Romy]

They never had so many mps so yes it's important ! They're not the winners though. I am waiting for tomorrow or tonight, the final results, because I am a bit lost. They almost all made coalitions with new names (Ensemble for Macron and center right, NUPES for the left...) and in certain places they show the results by "separated" parties. And anyway, I am interested to see the votes by location.

 

[Yel]

I am a bit lost. They almost all made coalitions with new names (Ensemble for Macron and center right, NUPES for the left...) and in certain places they show the results by "separated" parties

I'm glad it's not just me finding it a bit confusing!

 

[NeverEnough]

I'm glad it's not just me finding it a bit confusing!

From what I understand the main issue seems to be if the Left-Green alliance will be able to deny Macron a parliamentary majority, which will in effect lame duck him.

Whereas the presidency was Macron v Le Pen, this election is about Macron v Melanchon.

 

[Yel]

I thought it was both the left and right eating away at the center? https://www.elections.interieur.gouv.fr/resultats/resultats-en-direct

The right gains didn't look that impressive to me considering the last result, but maybe they're just happy to be part of taking away his majority?

 

[NeverEnough]

I thought it was both the left and right eating away at the center? https://www.elections.interieur.gouv.fr/resultats/resultats-en-direct

The right gains didn't look that impressive to me considering the last result, but maybe they're just happy to be part of taking away his majority?

Yes you‘re right he was attacked from both sides but in this instance mainly the left. He has lost his overall majority which greatly weakens him so he will need to seek consensus. And in France the “left and right” means Le Pen and Mélenchon who are from the extremes of their wings. And the thing with extremists is, well,they don’t compromise unless it means effectively bleeping over the “enemy”.

France is heading to a period of legislative inertia, and this could possibly lead to an extremist government right at the heart of Europe. Interesting times.

 

[Romy]

Here the final results. It's going to be a bit of a mess, not a big majority and a lot of unexperienced elected people. We'll see.

Yes you‘re right he was attacked from both sides but in this instance mainly the left. He has lost his overall majority which greatly weakens him so he will need to seek consensus. And in France the “left and right” means Le Pen and Mélenchon who are from the extremes of their wings. And the thing with extremists is, well,they don’t compromise unless it means effectively bleeping over the “enemy”.

France is heading to a period of legislative inertia, and this could possibly lead to an extremist government right at the heart of Europe. Interesting times.

We won't have far right in the government anytime soon. As for far left, they've been there with every socialist governments in France since I was a child lol (and other European governments btw). Right now, the likes of Mélanchon (Podemos) are in the coalition governing Spain for ex.
It's going to be complicated for Macron though.

 

[Yel]

Is there much of a shock with the results? This seemed like a very likely outcome considering the last vote.

I find it interesting that the Murdoch organisation are saying the far left and populist right made big gains. Aren't they both just as far?

 

[Romy]

A bit of a shock idk. Like you say, it matches the national results so it's logical. We obtained a proportional representation without having the proportional system.

 

[Yel]

This graph is what I was waiting for to show it simply. It feels like what's happening in France is happening everywhere

 

[Yel]

I wonder if the Uber files would have swung the election the other way?

 

[Yel]

I don't think she's right on the detail and her motives are obvious, but the point stands. Doesn't bode too well for EU relations

 

[Romy]

I don't think she's right on the detail and her motives are obvious, but the point stands. Doesn't bode too well for EU relations

No country is obliged to keep the CFA and there are many debates about other options in Africa (and France). Especially because the association with the colonial past obviously. For exemple, the Central African Republic has adopted bitcoin as their second official money.
I reckon these 14 countries keep it because it guarantees them a certain stability. Only one devaluation since 1945 whereas the other African currencies are constantly devaluated. And CFA has a "fixed parity" with euro and is 100% convertible.
As for the 50% which were mandatoty payed to the French treasury (to be precise : in an account which generated interests payed back to the African CFA nations each year), it doesn't exist anymore since 2020.
Anyway, she's late to the party. China is the economic foreign power in Africa since many years now. And Russia starts to make its way but more on the political side.

There are ALWAYS debates in the EU, it's not a sect lol and different governments have different ideas. Doesn't mean we want to leave it as the UK did.
The thing is none of them wanted to welcome the poor people from this boat.

 

[queenoffrogs]

Well...what do you think about "baby Macron" Gabriel Attal being named as premier ministre?