Florence Given

[catscradle]

I think Chidera is being unreasonable. Although structural racism may play a part, i don’t believe this is all about race.

Also, the way I see it shouldn't stuff like reparations be a structural solution rather than just...demanding and guilting individual people into giving you money lol.

 

[snarkvark]

She says she "doesn't want to cancel" Florence but that is literally what she's trying to do by posting all these stories? She's attempting to drag someone publicly and ruin their career or image at least. Inciting people to pile onto someone is abusive and gross. If this was a legit case of copyright, go through the proper channels don't just spend hours each day post it ng stories about it.

 

[That’sOk]

I mean that’s pathetic lol for £6 I could buy a whole new book Has she ran out of ideas.. it’s giving one book wonder

For sure.

I couldn’t imagine her having the content to release a whole other book. She hasn’t even been showing off her artwork as much or really posting any meaningful content other than her constantly parading round in front of the camera which is getting boring.

 

[korma]

Florence is back online. She's shared 3 fairly innocuous insta stories - all posts made by other people. One is signal boosting radamridwam trying to get their account back, one is a list of activists who help with navigating intimacy, and one is about coming out culture/ heteronormativity.

Tbh I think good for her. I don't think she actually did anything wrong with either her book or her statement and I don't think she deserves to be booted off the platform by the mob. Sure, she's quite annoying and up herself, but basically harmless. Let her and her fans have fun online.

RE Diving Bell, if I were them I'd be livid at how Chidera demanded they handle their own finances. I think they were well within their rights to basically say "and if we don't, then what?". Chidera got in over her head wading in and making demands and not being prepared to back them up and leverage her own power. It basically shows that Chidera didn't believe her demands (of DB making a BLM landing page on their site and donating £100/m to Black Pride) were really worth putting her own neck on the line for, she didn't really want to go as far as threatening to leave or go on strike.

It smacks of virtue signalling. I'm a trade unionist and one of the first things you have to understand when you're organising and trying to achieve an outcome from your employer is the bargaining power you have, i.e. what things can you leverage. That could be your labour (i.e. going on strike/ refusing to do any more work for the company til your demands are met), or your public endorsement of the company, etc. What assets do you have that this company relies on you for, that you can therefore hold over their heads as an ultimatum? To make such significant demands without being prepared to negotiate suggests massive naïvety and immaturity on Chidera's part. I can't believe she's still banging on about all this tbh.

 

[Whatevesmate]

It's so jarring to see her post la la videos about movin to LA (how privileged also to want to and be able to move to the US right now and not be affected by anything going on), going thrifting and living DeLiCiOusLy etc. with all the anti-ICE protests and riots happening there. She is the epitome of a privileged, dress in pink tiktok white feminist that when it comes down to it, doesn't do shit - you care about intersectional feminism and empowerment? at least do or post something about what's happening there and how people can support the most marginalised communities being under massive attack right now. so tone deaf

People like her only 'care' about issues that increase her popularity and likes. Doesn't actually give AF about the horror unfolding in LA. As you say, completely tone deaf

 

[champagnemami99]

Even though everyone is getting pissed at Florence for re-posting and business-as-usual, but she is posting alot about mental health crisis, genuine social injustice issues and real-world advice and support... Yes, she is not perfect. But Chidera is, as someone mentioned, HARRASSING everyday and all day about the situation. I even got blocked for saying I understood where she was coming from but comparing FG to a rapist is too far.
and it IS WAY TOO FAR, again, how insensitive and what a big disrespect to genuine victimes of sexual abuse and rape? She has completely lost herself in this.

Im not here to talk politics but as many of you know whats happened in Washington yesterday has shocked and stunned the world, especially when you make comparisons to the Black Lives Matter protests in the summer... Where is Chidera speaking her truth now?

 

[rememberwayne]

I'm a bit 50/50 on this one I won't lie. I don't think you need to have lived an entire life to publish such a book, HOWEVER, Florence has had a really basic life is that makes sense? She's a very privileged white woman, and nothing she says adds to the conversation of Feminism. idk I hope that makes sense and doesn't come off as rude ahaha because I do agree with you

Yes I agree, it is all relative and someone young could have lived more of a life than someone old. However in Florence's case, I think it is not one of those situations that she has lived enough to be looked upto just yet.

 

[Shopgal]

I saw that too. her whole schtick is piling onto individuals and attacking them to start shit (not sure why?) for someone who hates people coming into her comment section to give their opinion, Aja certainly does it a whole lot herself!!

Yes! As soon as I saw the “Aja is educating you for free” comment I cringed. The hypocrisy is real.

 

[stopthescams]

From loudbossygross’ insta stories, someone’s found Florences so called patented font. This entire thing is a systematic issue on a wider scale and also exposing how shady Florence is at the same time

 

[korma]

This literally reminds me so much of Women Don't Owe You Pretty

 

[snarkvark]

I woudl really love a thread for Aja Barber. She's put an ad up on her instagram but hasn't correctly labelled it an ad. yet again showing her hypocrisy. She set up a Patron to get paid for "the work" she does..... yet still accepts gifted items nad paid advertisement work without declaring it. (for anyone who doesn't know - and for Aja if you're reading here - any gifted items are considered payment in the UK and therefore need to have AD at the beginning of your caption!!!)

 

[Theplantmum]

In her deference that’s not her experience so her speaking on that would be unauthentic. Then again you would expect someone who was a published author to be aware of the other intersections of feminism.

I feel after the slumflower incident she is trying to be less ‘out there’.

She should be sharing all women's experiences in my opinion. I'm not queer but I would share a queer person's experience if someone submitted that answer.
I believe that's her responsibility, if she has that platform.

 

[GossipLady]

I’m so glad I found this thread, like someone else said, I looked on Twitter and was surprised at how little conversation there was about it. It’s been really interesting reading everyone’s different perspectives.

I do like Florence but I also totally get why other people don’t, and I have to admit I’ve found the worshipping of her to be quite grating. I don’t think that she copied Slumflower’s books though As other people have pointed out, Slumflower herself has been in plenty of hot water about taking ideas from other marginalised groups and has said some frankly horrific things in the past. I feel like a lot of the people jumping into her DMs with support are white women who learned about the word ‘intersectional’ and the existence of white supremacy during the height of the BLM protests during the summer and are now desperately trying to prove how not racist they are by supporting CE without any objective or critical thought. I agree that CE is subjected to racism and held to a different standard that Florence is not - but I don’t feel like that means everyone has to automatically accept what she says as fact and declare that her work was plagiarised by FG. As many others pointed out...neither of these women came up with these ideas.

I think the way Diving Bell have handled this has been an utter shambles. The emails that slumflower shared last night were infuriating and I can completely see why she chose to give notice to end her contract. That guy seems like a total prick, the way he worded his email was so shitty.

Although I really dislike Florence and can see your point. However, I don't think either of them came up with the ideas BUT I do think it is pretty shitty for their management and publishers to go ahead with such similar books so close to each other.

I don't think it is a case of Florence stealing unique ideas - all ideas are built upon each other - but I'm imagining this as, for example, I planned my wedding, had a big thing and thought carefully about it then 6 months later a friend in the same friendship group who was at my wedding, had a wedding with maybe 70% of the same items/styles/ideas that I had had at mine. Obviously everything I would have chosen would have likely not been original and used at other weddings, but it would feel like your friend was trying to copy your day in some way wouldn't it? It would be really weird. Then imagine you found out it was the same friends and people who helped you organise your wedding, who had helped her with her's too????

I think race comes into it only because it is easier to do the above to marginalised people. And it hurts more when someone does this to you when they have things easier in life generally. Think high school bully stealing your best friend lol.

Again, I don't love either of them but I really dislike Florence. Her style of feminism is very performative and about her. I think the Slumflower too is not the best role model but I think she had every right to speak up about the way she felt, given the way Diving Bell were treating her - again absolutely appalling and it is the main reason I am SO disappointed by other influencers under them - if not wanting to take sides for Florence or Chidera I feel they should all be standing against Diving Bell.

 

[korma]

Jeez, so now LBG has had to upload a story saying sorry for reposting private DMs between Munroe/ Gina with other black people. I mean, I use "say sorry" as a turn of phrase because she didn't actually apologise at all to either woman for grossly infringing on their privacy, all she said was "I'm just starting to understand now that I shouldn't have done that" and made some excuse about how she was trying trying to "report" on the story. Jesus fucking christ, if I could do such a botched job of "reporting" and get paid £4,000+ in just over a week for my terrible handiwork I'd be laughing my way to the bank!

When will this woman learn that her actions have consequences and she can't justify demanding payment for having bullied women and infringed their privacy to an audience of thousands, no matter how oppressed she thinks she is?!?!

 

[Sunflower91]

When I read her response it looked like her/ her team had been here- a lot of the things her post tried to cover felt kinda tied in with the things said here.
One thing that didn’t sit right was how she basically said Chidera didn’t want to endorse her book out of the blue and without reason. I mean it could have happened like that but how many people would essentially cut ties without telling someone why/some kind of discussion?

 

[Closedeyes]

Maybe it’s just me but I don’t understand the hype around her. I have nothing against swearing but her using the f—ing word all the time is so irritating and also saying c—ty. She tries too hard to be cool.

Shakes arse in pants. Screams. Puts on fluffy coat. Jangles a Temu stack of rings in ya face. 100% autosexual!!

 

[champagnemami99]

Oh my god she has lost the actual plot. She is asking for the book to be pulled and 100% royalties go to her OR book stays and 70% go to her I am in SHOCK

 

[That’sOk]

Florence has responded.

Her response is definitely orchestrated by many many people and scrutinised with a fine tooth comb.

Personally at the moment I am unsure how to feel about this all. Should women be tearing other women down. Chideda has a lot of valid points as does Florence. There is very few original feminist ideas it seems, every new idea is an adaptation of the last. There is definitely room for all ideas but I can see where both of them are coming from.

 

[slothella22]

Maybe it’s just me but I don’t understand the hype around her. I have nothing against swearing but her using the f—ing word all the time is so irritating and also saying c—ty. She tries too hard to be cool.

 

[urghmummybloggers]

Oh my god she has lost the actual plot. She is asking for the book to be pulled and 100% royalties go to her OR book stays and 70% go to her I am in SHOCK

This is starting to border on harassment for me