Em Clarkson #2

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Agree, although I do think there’s a massive difference between not being able to carry one child to term, and thinking a third is probably a bad idea. You absolutely can choose the gender if eg you do IVF abroad (an extreme option but Clarkson could afford it).

I thought Kate suffered with all three and tbh I’d be much more sympathetic to Em Clarkson if I knew as little about her as I do Kate! Clarkson invites criticism by the kind of content she produces.
 
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It’s not fair or nice that women with HE often have to limit their family size because of it, whether because of their own health or because of the horrendous impact on their families. But life isn’t fair or nice and she’s so lucky in so many ways. The fact that she’s planning another child is ABOMINABLY selfish to me. She’s said she’s been a tit mother to her eldest, and while I sympathise I think her eldest will indeed have suffered. She’ll be older and more observant still the next time. Em Clarkson has two healthy childre. Why risk her physical and mental health and her children’s happiness? Why give your eldest a full eighteen months of a seriously unwell mother when you simply don’t have to? If she’s that desperate for a third, adopt. Or even use a surrogate if you so choose.
She will have a pre-schooler and a toddler next time - if she ends up being this poorly or worse that will have a huge impact on both kids, her husband and her… it’s incredibly selfish to even consider it even witb the money and privilege they have
 
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I haven't read her long winded whinge, but assuming from comments on here that she has said she is gonna go for a third kid??! Nah sorry but if the 'trauma' she went through was that bad, there is no way, NO WAY she would voluntarily go through it all over again. A third time. I've known people who had HG and they said NEVER EVER could they contemplate it. I've got one child myself because the PTSD from PPD and PPA is so bad, I could never put myself or my family through that ever again. Everyone (she) bandies the word trauma around so bleeping flippantly, but is it really though? There is trauma and there is a crappy experience. They are not the same. Made clear by the willingness to put oneself back in that position.
 
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It’s not fair or nice that women with HE often have to limit their family size because of it, whether because of their own health or because of the horrendous impact on their families. But life isn’t fair or nice and she’s so lucky in so many ways. The fact that she’s planning another child is ABOMINABLY selfish to me. She’s said she’s been a tit mother to her eldest, and while I sympathise I think her eldest will indeed have suffered. She’ll be older and more observant still the next time. Em Clarkson has two healthy childre. Why risk her physical and mental health and her children’s happiness? Why give your eldest a full eighteen months of a seriously unwell mother when you simply don’t have to? If she’s that desperate for a third, adopt. Or even use a surrogate if you so choose.
i skimmed thru her substack post & the part that struck me was where she was said that Arlo would lie in bed with her while she was crying, and that her first sentence was "mummy sick, pills mummy better" - or something along those lines. she can say that Arlo handled it fine and is such a sensitive, empathetic & resilient child - but it seems very clear that it DID impact her daughter, and that Arlo was very aware her mum wasn't feeling,well and was worried about her - not to mention that Em wasn't able to be fully involved in Arlo's life for nine months. she was barely a year old when Em got pregnant & there will have been so many "firsts" she wasn't present for - and it's not as though she didn't know the likelihood she would suffer with HG and remember what her first pregnancy was like.

I'm sure Arlo had her dad & other family so it's not like she was neglected - but Em is her mum and kids that age usually have a strong bond with their mother, so knowing her mum was suffering and upset and throwing up etc, in and out of hospital - kids are far more aware than people seem to think and it's an experience that could impact Arlo, in terms of anxiety etc worrying Em might get sick again - not necessarily able to differentiate illness from the effects of HG, as based onEm's wording, Arlo's understanding seemed to be that her mummy was "sick" - and I'm sure she knows that people get unwell all the time.

I'm not saying that they shouldn't have had another child, but to brush off the impact it had on Arlo seems very dismissive and far more to help HER feel less guilty - she has no idea of the emotional impact it may have had on her little girl, especially the absence from her life.

she now has two healthy daughters, yet already seems to have decided that she will have a third child at some point - why?! I'm not doubting that her girls were worth the HG during pregnancy, but i would be focusing on being an involved mother to the two girls she has, than already considering when she will have a third, which would likely mean missing out on more of Arlo's childhood and Xanthe's baby/toddlerhood when it's all such precious moments of infancy she is missing out on and won't be able to get back. missing her girls' first day at nursery or school and not being able to be an active part of their life for 9 months is huge when they are both so little - and i guarantee she will regret it. her girlsbcertainly won't form as strong a bond with her if she is regularly absent from their daily life - or, as seems to have happened with Arlo, will be thrown into a situation where they feel they need to comfort and take care of their mummy from such a young age. on an eotional - which is far too much responsibility for children so young. ofc, it's Em and her husband's choice if they want another baby, but i personally don't get why she would sacrifice more time she could be spending with the two daughters she has and be content with the family she has - perhaps get therapy to explore why the family she has doesn't feel like it's enough. 🤷🏻‍♂️
 
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Is she going to change her toilet again if she's lucky enough to have a third baby? I only skim read what she had written but, despite her whinging that she couldn't do anything, I'm pretty sure she went abroad, to weddings and awards ceremonies, for days and nights out and continued to work? I know we tend to only show our best bits on socials, but don't tell us you couldn't do anything for the whole nine months!
 
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I haven't read her long winded whinge, but assuming from comments on here that she has said she is gonna go for a third kid??! Nah sorry but if the 'trauma' she went through was that bad, there is no way, NO WAY she would voluntarily go through it all over again. A third time. I've known people who had HG and they said NEVER EVER could they contemplate it. I've got one child myself because the PTSD from PPD and PPA is so bad, I could never put myself or my family through that ever again. Everyone (she) bandies the word trauma around so bleeping flippantly, but is it really though? There is trauma and there is a crappy experience. They are not the same. Made clear by the willingness to put oneself back in that position.
This isn’t really through, like when I hear HG, I straight away think of Princess Catherine because she was hospitalised with all 3 of her children and she did it 2 more times after a hard first pregnancy…

I’m not defending Em’s decision to want to try for a third but even without HG, births/pregnancies can be hard and traumatic and people still have more children.
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i skimmed thru her substack post & the part that struck me was where she was said that Arlo would lie in bed with her while she was crying, and that her first sentence was "mummy sick, pills mummy better" - or something along those lines. she can say that Arlo handled it fine and is such a sensitive, empathetic & resilient child - but it seems very clear that it DID impact her daughter, and that Arlo was very aware her mum wasn't feeling,well and was worried about her - not to mention that Em wasn't able to be fully involved in Arlo's life for nine months. she was barely a year old when Em got pregnant & there will have been so many "firsts" she wasn't present for - and it's not as though she didn't know the likelihood she would suffer with HG and remember what her first pregnancy was like.

I'm sure Arlo had her dad & other family so it's not like she was neglected - but Em is her mum and kids that age usually have a strong bond with their mother, so knowing her mum was suffering and upset and throwing up etc, in and out of hospital - kids are far more aware than people seem to think and it's an experience that could impact Arlo, in terms of anxiety etc worrying Em might get sick again - not necessarily able to differentiate illness from the effects of HG, as based onEm's wording, Arlo's understanding seemed to be that her mummy was "sick" - and I'm sure she knows that people get unwell all the time.

I'm not saying that they shouldn't have had another child, but to brush off the impact it had on Arlo seems very dismissive and far more to help HER feel less guilty - she has no idea of the emotional impact it may have had on her little girl, especially the absence from her life.

she now has two healthy daughters, yet already seems to have decided that she will have a third child at some point - why?! I'm not doubting that her girls were worth the HG during pregnancy, but i would be focusing on being an involved mother to the two girls she has, than already considering when she will have a third, which would likely mean missing out on more of Arlo's childhood and Xanthe's baby/toddlerhood when it's all such precious moments of infancy she is missing out on and won't be able to get back. missing her girls' first day at nursery or school and not being able to be an active part of their life for 9 months is huge when they are both so little - and i guarantee she will regret it. her girlsbcertainly won't form as strong a bond with her if she is regularly absent from their daily life - or, as seems to have happened with Arlo, will be thrown into a situation where they feel they need to comfort and take care of their mummy from such a young age. on an eotional - which is far too much responsibility for children so young. ofc, it's Em and her husband's choice if they want another baby, but i personally don't get why she would sacrifice more time she could be spending with the two daughters she has and be content with the family she has - perhaps get therapy to explore why the family she has doesn't feel like it's enough. 🤷🏻‍♂️
It’s more than 9 months though. Because you won’t be running around and after 2 young children with a newborn and new baby is a priority for a good while. At this point she will completely miss Arlo’s childhood and she will reconnect with her when she is a teenager… she needs to think this through.
 
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Glad I’m not the only one who finds her Substack post baffling. She said her and her husband want a big family but at what cost to her health and relationship?

As others have said, those two girls will miss out on having their mum if she has another HG pregnancy and Arlo sadly already has had to watch her mum being sick for 9 months. Yes children are a blessing but if she knows she’s predisposed to HG it seems a bit off that she’s already wishing for a third child.

In her post she mentioned that she felt very low and had dark thoughts. She would see how her daughter “didn’t need her” because she had her dad and other family and friends. That made Em wonder if it would be better for everyone if she weren’t here. That’s horrible and must have been so upsetting but I can’t believe she’s willing to go through that again when the pressure will be higher as she’ll have two kids that are growing and thriving while she’s so ill she can’t move.

She said how she couldn’t drink water her whole pregnancy and that she was malnourished. At what point do you accept that’s not a healthy way to grow a child and decide it’s not worth causing complications to the baby?
 
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I skim read it, I just think she is so entitled and awful. She has two healthy children which is more than some could dream of. If it was as bad as she made it out she surely couldn’t consider going through it again, and if she did I wouldn't have much sympathy for her and would be shocked if she carried on making content from it. I don’t deny it must be horrendous but if it was as traumatising as she made out she wouldn’t be considering going through it again. She is one of the worst people on instagram to be honest
 
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I skim read it, I just think she is so entitled and awful. She has two healthy children which is more than some could dream of. If it was as bad as she made it out she surely couldn’t consider going through it again, and if she did I wouldn't have much sympathy for her and would be shocked if she carried on making content from it. I don’t deny it must be horrendous but if it was as traumatising as she made out she wouldn’t be considering going through it again. She is one of the worst people on instagram to be honest
Lots of people did - it’s just stupid, whoever does it.
I think she can’t let go of the idea of a family they had and she will push for it no matter what.
 
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I don’t think her HG was as bad as she makes it out to be.
She attended several functions and I don’t believe she would have been able to do that if she was so sick
I feel like it magically appears and disappears
 
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Why risk her physical and mental health and her children’s happiness? Why give your eldest a full eighteen months of a seriously unwell mother when you simply don’t have to?
Because it makes for good content. Genuinely. All she posted about, was HG and her pregnancy. It was a daily occurrence. It must’ve upped her engagement. How many pity likes and comments did she get from it?
 
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Also to call it maternity leave as if every day isn’t maternity leave when post videos of yourself in your underwear for a living boils my blood, taking the piss out of anyone who has a real job
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maternity leave for her is not posting videos talking about herself and not trying on sweaty Betty for a reel
 
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Also to call it maternity leave as if every day isn’t maternity leave when post videos of yourself in your underwear for a living boils my blood, taking the piss out of anyone who has a real job
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maternity leave for her is not posting videos talking about herself and not trying on sweaty Betty for a reel
yep. I mean realistically, her insta/podcast is a monetised hobby.

and she’s able to monetise this hobby because she had parents who helped set it up for her and who provided a financial safety net. Now she’s married, her husband served as the financial safety net due to his job he likely got, also a result of his connections via Em’s parents.
 
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That stupid studio. Daughter of millionaire becomes landlady, says she’s “built” something.
 
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If I was deeply depressed
Vomiting
Couldn't get out of bed.
Felt soooo low.
Couldn't get away from the bathrooms floor. The sickest I'd ever felt. There is no why I, her or anyone cpuld or would take a fucming selfie of themselves in that moment.it just wouldn't happen. She's been a liar from the start. Often maii g up "funny stories" or "you'll never guess what I did/happened to me. I mean every time she does a "so guys..... answer is symprove!" Or whatever else she's advertising, shes lying. Funny how it's always the perfect in shot selfie too.
 
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Must every single story still relate back to her HG? Shes literally made it her entire personality at this point.
 
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Must every single story still relate back to her HG? Shes literally made it her entire personality at this point.
She’s a pretty dull person. She’s not especially clever or intellectually curious. She hasn’t done much in her life. I can only assume that’s why she constantly harks on about her HG. It’s genuinely one of the most interesting things that’s happened to her.
 
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