Donald Trump - The 45th President of the United States

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L3moning

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If that's 400+ million with interest he's now been told to pay, does he even have that much in assets?

If he doesn't win the presidency I can see him just moving to Russia where all these judgements will be bits of paper.
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He's in the process of an IPO for Truth Social, which is supposedly worth $4 Billion. So theoretically he could use that to help pay it (although be can't do it through loans in New York, per the court ruling).
 
Falkor

Falkor

Yel said:
If that's 400+ million with interest he's now been told to pay, does he even have that much in assets?

If he doesn't win the presidency I can see him just moving to Russia where all these judgements will be bits of paper.
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He's almost certainly got it in assets, but probably not in cash. I would expect to see a building or two sold off or refinanced to fund it.
 
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Yel

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L3moning said:
He's in the process of an IPO for Truth Social, which is supposedly worth $4 Billion. So theoretically he could use that to help pay it (although be can't do it through loans in New York, per the court ruling).
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Sounds like very wishful figure! Anyone could launch a twitter clone in a few days. But the number of blind supporters he has might buy into it and make it worth something
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Falkor said:
He's almost certainly got it in assets, but probably not in cash. I would expect to see a building or two sold off or refinanced to fund it.
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I dunno, I'm not convinced he has it in assets as they're probably all loaded up on debt.
 
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Falkor

Falkor

Yel said:
Sounds like very wishful figure! Anyone could launch a twitter clone in a few days. But the number of blind supporters he has might buy into it and make it worth something
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I dunno, I'm not convinced he has it in assets as they're probably all loaded up on debt.
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Quite possibly - and, thinking about it, it's hugely unlikely they'll be held in his personal name, they'll be owned by his various businesses.
 
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monga

monga

He seems to be cleaning up!
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Falkor

Falkor

I just have the most awful feeling he's going to win the election now :(
 
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Yel

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It was sealed weeks ago that he'd get the nomination.

The betting odds all have Trump way more likely to win the presidency.
 
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L3moning

Yel said:
It was sealed weeks ago that he'd get the nomination.

The betting odds all have Trump way more likely to win the presidency.
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To be fair they had Hilary Clinton being massive favourite in 2016.

I think Trump *can* win in November, but I don't think it's *likely*.
 
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Mark81

Mark81

With another opponent I think Trump would likely lose. But Biden is a lot less popular and trusted than last time around.

The BBC panorama programme did an episode on Trump re-election and even moderates (including African american) were saying although they didn't like either candidate, America was better under Trump.

I think the cost of living crisis has hit Bidens term hard. Whether its his fault or not, it's the perception that counts. The economy is generally one of the key things for voters before anything else.

The two party system doesn't help either.
 
monga

monga

Considering his intentions from the outset he seems to be popular with the voters (from all walks)
 
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Ellelalala

He's really not that popular, his supporters are just loud and the media is invested in a horse race.

Whether that translates to a loss for him or not, well that will come down to voter turnout and the electoral college.
 
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Knight of Galador

L3moning said:
To be fair they had Hilary Clinton being massive favourite in 2016.
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I believe most polls had her narrowly winning. A lot of people bring up Trump winning as proof that polls shouldn't be taken seriously but I believe it was always in the margin of error.

Mark81 said:
With another opponent I think Trump would likely lose. But Biden is a lot less popular and trusted than last time around.

The BBC panorama programme did an episode on Trump re-election and even moderates (including African american) were saying although they didn't like either candidate, America was better under Trump.

I think the cost of living crisis has hit Bidens term hard. Whether its his fault or not, it's the perception that counts. The economy is generally one of the key things for voters before anything else.

The two party system doesn't help either.
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This isn't really accurate.

For one thing the Democrats aren't just sticking with Biden just to be nice to an old man. Tons of research is done to show which candidate does better against which opponent and consistently shows that Biden does better against Trump then any of the big DNC names. The reasons being that swing voters that usually lean conservative but are wary of Trump are more likely to switch for an old white guy than they are for a younger candidate or one of colour or woman.

Also there is no cost of living crisis in the US. Like almost everywhere they were hit hard by covid but has bounced back under Biden. Right now the US economy is very strong. Record high employment, generally high wages, the stock market is also at record highs. True perception matters and even though the economy was pretty good under Obama you often heard voters in rust belt ststes say they just didn't 'feel' it. With the media being so partisan it's difficult to gauge how the public really feel but it should be noted consumer spending is up which is usually a good indicator that people are comfortable enough to spend their money.

Biden has also had a number of legislative victories like the inflation reduction act, lowering prescription drug prices and even getting through some of his student loan forgiveness despite the courts trying to scupper all of it. For my money he'd have it in the bag if not for his handling of the Israel/Gaza conflict. That's more than anything will drive voters away from him in key states and could allow Trump to sneak in.
 
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Mark81

Mark81

Knight of Galador said:
I believe most polls had her narrowly winning. A lot of people bring up Trump winning as proof that polls shouldn't be taken seriously but I believe it was always in the margin of error.



This isn't really accurate.

For one thing the Democrats aren't just sticking with Biden just to be nice to an old man. Tons of research is done to show which candidate does better against which opponent and consistently shows that Biden does better against Trump then any of the big DNC names. The reasons being that swing voters that usually lean conservative but are wary of Trump are more likely to switch for an old white guy than they are for a younger candidate or one of colour or woman.

Also there is no cost of living crisis in the US. Like almost everywhere they were hit hard by covid but has bounced back under Biden. Right now the US economy is very strong. Record high employment, generally high wages, the stock market is also at record highs. True perception matters and even though the economy was pretty good under Obama you often heard voters in rust belt ststes say they just didn't 'feel' it. With the media being so partisan it's difficult to gauge how the public really feel but it should be noted consumer spending is up which is usually a good indicator that people are comfortable enough to spend their money.

Biden has also had a number of legislative victories like the inflation reduction act, lowering prescription drug prices and even getting through some of his student loan forgiveness despite the courts trying to scupper all of it. For my money he'd have it in the bag if not for his handling of the Israel/Gaza conflict. That's more than anything will drive voters away from him in key states and could allow Trump to sneak in.
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OK OK OK!, just stating what Americans themselve were saying when asked 🤣🤣🤣

As for no cost of living crisis, that's certainly not what I've heard many Americans say, including some very pro Democrats friends of mine.
 
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Smashbox

Mark81 said:
OK OK OK!, just stating what Americans themselve were saying when asked 🤣🤣🤣

As for no cost of living crisis, that's certainly not what I've heard many Americans say, including some very pro Democrats friends of mine.
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Exactly to claim otherwise is nonsensical.
 
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