I love Margaret Pole. Defiant to death! I always envision her as secretly hating H7 and plotting revenge for her brother. Too much Phillipa Gregory! Wasn't she at one point so poor she had to give her child to the church... Reginald. I like the way she named her daughter Ursula after some mythological witch... Though that might come from too much Phillipa Gregory also
An Act of Attainder can be repealed by Parliament, and Edward could have been used as a figurehead for a rebellion. H7 claim to the throne was a very weak one. I think he waited until Edward was a decent age then have him executed.
In the Phillippa Gregory book he and Eluzabeth of York wanted to marry. She married Henry vii but I dont know if the Richard iii is true.
My son has a Horrible Histories book about History's worst murderers. Henry viii is in there because of all the people he had put to death. About 70,000 I think many for spurious reasons. I think he was a megalomaniac and completely mad. He basically divorced Anne of Cleves and killed Kathryn Howard because he was fat and impotent and they were young and couldn't hide their disgust for him. The Duke of Norfolk was another bastard offering up his nieces to him for his own advancement.
Perkin warbeck... Richard (brother of Elizabeth, wife of H7) imposter / actually richard depending on what you believe xx
Hi that's my bad actually I was thinking about Perkin Warbeck and wrote PK instead of PW
see I understand that, and that's what I don't understand about Richard III, if it could have been repealed why didnt Richard put out a hit on him too? especially since he had the better claim after the princes in the tower..
Henry viii was a monster, one theory I find interesting though is that his jousting accident completely affected his personality. In a course I had we studied a man in the 1800's who had a rod I believe go through his eye into a part of his brain - which happened to be the part that controls social norms amongst other things, one consequence of that was that this guy went from a normal behaved man to a man who would touch women innapropriately, swear at odd times all because of a brain lesion.
Yes, you are right to be puzzled, and so are a lot of historians. The best answer to that is he was insurance for the succession if Richard didn't have any more children, and perhaps as a son of a traitor no one wanted to use him as a figurehead, so Richard felt safe. Its quite possible that Richard would have done the same as Henry when Edward was older then had him executed, as of course, he wasn't adverse to bumping off his nephews (as the theory goes ;-) ).
never heard of that one but briefly what is it about? and exactly he was apparently a hero in the north, and it's puzzling how in 6 months he completely changed
It's 3 book trilogy... Catherine Howard, E1 and Arbella Stuart. Its more for fans of historical fiction but it's so interesting... Completely made up but a spin on some of the wild rumours regarding Catherine Howard being pregnant, paternity of Mary Queen of Scots, lettice Knowles relationship with E1. Just a really good read. But totally made up.
that would make sense since H7 already had heirs he wouldnt need that insurance ... wonder if elizabeth talked to H7 to prevent it. He was her cousin.
They were women, so in those days, they didn't count.
Wasn't it expected of a queen to beg her husband for clemency of some convicted criminals. I wonder if Elizabeth tried this with Edward of Warwick or her brother / imposter
yeah but if H7 strengthened his claim thanks to a woman wouldn't the other york women/their descendants be a threat? pretty sure H8 had alot of his york cousins taken out unless i'm way off base..
Actually I think you're correct. I never thought of that. I thought he was a good King therefore he couldn't have killed his nephews but that's a good point. It was a very violent time and Monarchs werent pointless figurehead they are today. They had huge amounts of power.
yeah thats a good point. now would it have been possible for them to escape also question: let's assume both boys died that night, and they were hidden under the staircase in the tower, wouldn't that have made noise? a commotion? was there construction that could have helped hide them without making much of a disturbance? it's just weird that all in one night people could murder them, and dig a hole in the tower and bury them without anyone noticing a thing... Also pretty sure Richard fired their servants, guards before then which is sus in my opinion. Also I saw in a documentary that in the coming weeks edward was praying as if he knew he was going to die.
