Not only is it an insult it also proves you can't win in their eyes."You must have an awful lot of spare time to be watching so many videos (over 1000 if you’ve really watched half)" - thinly veiled at best @Emmelina Ball
I have already responded to that several times - youtube allow quite of lot of similar content on their site and prefer to flag rather than remove. They have deleted some of his videos, but not all.
Don't really understand how that's dodging?
You also seem to ignore all posts that question why you are so relunctant to consider how he is motivated to promote misinformation rather than accurate reporting, and why you have high level of skepticism to certain groups, but blindly follow anyone who corroborates your views, no matter the quality of their evidence.
Can you link a factual account then .When you don't have a good argument, try and insult someone personally instead? JC has many many videos which were published pre-pandemic, and many which are not about coronavirus. He set himself up as an online educator (which makes a lot of sense given he did a PhD in online education methods), which includes making videos such as "genetics", the "immune system" etc etc.
I actually watched them for work in a work context- scientists are interested in the current "trends" of misinformation, and personally invested in provided easy to access, factual accounts an alternative for people who are interested.
As always, I don't think misinformation benefits anyone, and the only thing I'll argue for is that people should be able to make an informed choice regarding their healthcare decisions. This includes not being coerced by misinformation, or terrified because they've been vaccinated and are now being told they'll drop dead at some point in the future.
I don’t watch him so I can’t comment on what he does it just interests me why anyone would spend so much time watching someone that they perceive to be dangerous. Surely that would risk you getting sucked into his cult and you could be brainwashed as a result."You must have an awful lot of spare time to be watching so many videos (over 1000 if you’ve really watched half)" - thinly veiled at best @Emmelina Ball
I have already responded to that several times - youtube allow quite of lot of similar content on their site and prefer to flag rather than remove. They have deleted some of his videos, but not all.
Don't really understand how that's dodging?
You also seem to ignore all posts that question why you are so relunctant to consider how he is motivated to promote misinformation rather than accurate reporting, and why you have high level of skepticism to certain groups, but blindly follow anyone who corroborates your views, no matter the quality of their evidence.
Im insulting no one here. It’s an observation - only alright when you do it though eyNot only is it an insult it also proves you can't win in their eyes.
- Don't watch enough of his videos? You get criticised for not being well informed of his content.
- Watch lots of his videos? You get criticised for spending "an awful lot of spare time" watching those videos.
You should report him then!! YouTube take down anyone spreading misinformation or misleading claims.I have watched a few of his videos - not all and he does misinform. Another example would be the Pfizer 9 pages of adverse events which people were making out to be all side effects of the vaccine when they are actually ‘potential adverse events’ to keep an eye out for.
Dr John Campbell misinformed by saying they were vaccine side effects. Here he correct himself but he still makes videos on topics which are not in his field.
So we’re to watch a YT site glorifying vaccines over a balanced viewI have watched a few of his videos - not all and he does misinform. Another example would be the Pfizer 9 pages of adverse events which people were making out to be all side effects of the vaccine when they are actually ‘potential adverse events’ to keep an eye out for.
Dr John Campbell misinformed by saying they were vaccine side effects. Here he correct himself but he still makes videos on topics which are not in his field.
I've only watched a few but enough to know that it's the style that annoys me - instead of concentrating on the salient points of a piece he does his 'marking the homework' on every single sodding bit of it.I have watched a few of his videos -...
Of which specific claim?Can you link a factual account then .
Did you even watch it? He wasn’t reading them out as potential - he thought they were a list of actual side effects.So we’re to watch a YT site glorifying vaccines over a balanced viewif you want to keep deluding yourself with vaccine positivity , crack on , I don't see the harm in someone reading out possible adverse reactions , the gov site had exactly the same info under side effects / warning and precautions , that's nitpicking at it's finest
I want you to link a recent factual account on vaccine efficacy.Of which specific claim?
This is the issue @monga - you mash everything together and dichtomise into "VACCINES ARE OUR LORD AND SAVIOUR" or "VACCINES ARE BAD"
You're asking me for a "factual account" of the entire pandemic, coronavirus policies, vaccine development, vaccine roll out, vaccine mandates, vaccine policies? There's a huge amount of nuance and shades of grey in there.
A lot of YouTubers add padding to their videos because it allows more room for advertising.I've only watched a few but enough to know that it's the style that annoys me - instead of concentrating on the salient points of a piece he does his 'marking the homework' on every single sodding bit of it.
"This is a headline" "yes I'll accept that" *tick*
"this was printed on paper" *pauses, explains it was electronic first but yes, is now on paper* *tick*.
At which point I start to feel myself losing the will to live...
Ok-dokieI want you to link a recent factual account on vaccine efficacy.
Thanks for sharing that. It’s not really that helpful or groundbreaking though is it? Clear as mud, full of estimates. Then there’s this nugget that answers the question that is being asked; the answer is “somewhat unknown”Ok-dokie
Here is a review post from an epidemioloigst written in June, who has a relevant, recent portfolio of published research in this area.
There are many examples, but for example when he claimed the Pfizer vaccines (always Pfizer isn't it in these vids, never moderna/AZ/sinovax) had caused 1000+ deaths which was evidenced in their documents.
I read the documents linked, they said nothing of the sort. Many many verified scientists (i.e., those with public accounts not random posters on a forum like me) also confirmed this.
Thanks for sharing that. It’s not really that helpful or groundbreaking though is it? Clear as mud, full of estimates. Then there’s this nugget that answers the question that is being asked; the answer is “somewhat unknown”View attachment 1577480
I haven’t clicked in and the first thing I notice is MAY HAVE so that’s no different than Dr John speculating on his channelOk-dokie
Here is a review post from an epidemioloigst written in June, who has a relevant, recent portfolio of published research in this area.
Well I must disagree with you, as the facts can’t be clear if it’s built entirely on estimates. You were asked for recent concrete evidence and failed to provide - I’d welcome to see some hard concrete data that is not estimated.I am actually applauding - because you've accidentally hit the nail on the head.
This is real science - a credible researchers will convey uncertainty, nuance and caveats. It is the cranks and the scammers (and often the politicians) who make wild spurious claims with no flexibility for movement.
I doubt you read the full article in the time it took you to reply, but here are the conclusions:
"Ultimately, vaccination has been an enormous success story in the Covid-19 pandemic. This paper estimates that nearly 80% of all deaths during 2021 were averted due to vaccination. To put it another way, if we had not had vaccines, the total death toll from Covid-19 would more than double, which is a staggering statistic.
It’s true to say that these numbers are uncertain, and it’s plausible that some of the estimates of deaths prevented are based on incorrect assumptions. However, even if we were to assume that vaccines are significantly less effective that randomized trials have shown them to be, the number of lives saved remains quite high simply due to the sheer scale of the pandemic. On the other hand, it’s entirely plausible that the vaccines saved far more lives than this study estimated, because we simply don’t know what would’ve happened without the immunizations with any certainty.
Ultimately, the facts are fairly clear — Covid-19 shots have saved many lives. The precise numbers are uncertain, but the evidence is strong that literally millions of people are alive today because they were able to avoid serious disease and death with some of the most impressive medical interventions of the last 50 years."
This a very basic misunderstanding that has been heavily discussed online.Public Health and Medical Professionals for Transparency (PHMPT). Only took a court case to reveal.
I'm not an expert but I don't openly claim to have each read ALL of Pfizer's released stuff to date. ( 383 documents ) .
Pfizer's Documents - Public Health and Medical Professionals for Transparency
Documents with a large file size are provided in a .zip file and will need to be uncompressed after download.phmpt.org
This is the pesky table in question causing the issues. 1223 fatal.
From the report 5.3.6 CUMULATIVE ANALYSIS OF POST-AUTHORIZATION ADVERSE EVENT REPORTS OF PF-07302048 (BNT162B2) RECEIVED THROUGH 28-FEB-2021
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View: https://perma.cc/6W69-9WFT
Dr John doesn’t speculate, he makes outright claims such as the Pfizer 9 pages being something that they were not.I haven’t clicked in and the first thing I notice is MAY HAVE so that’s no different than Dr John speculating on his channel
I think this really helps highlight the need for individual healthcare instead of blanket healthcare. As you (and many others on this thread) have observed many different outcomes for vaccination and it is important to consider pre existing health - is the individual in optimal health or are they obese, do they have pre existing conditions, what is the likely outcome for someone who is in optimal health to have a vaccine compared with someone in optimal health to catch covid. It’s very complex!It's a weird one for me. I am sure vaccines have saved many lives. I am neither anti or pro vaccine. I think they are necessary for those with autoimmune issues or those with cancer etc.
My father is 76 and has had an operation for bladder cancer. He is fully vaxxed and been called up for his next one. I am pro vaccine in that situation.
My elder brother had a single jab and he's 53, a smoker, but is a builder too so he's in pretty good physical health in that regard. He caught Covid and was laid up for a day with body aches, but then 24 hours later he was back to work.
On the flipside, my elder sister who is a similar age as my brother was fully vaxxed yet suffered worse than my brother did from it. she's ok now, but it's interesting. Meanwhile I've had two jabs and yet to catch Covid. Maybe I will get it bad, mild, who knows.
I just don't enjoy vaccines or meds in general if I can help it, unless absolutely necessary. I am 33, so I am two decades younger than both of my siblings. I was overweight though, but have since lost 3 stone and on a return to fitness again.
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