Why wouldn’t you have given to the trussel trust?If the foodbank was Trussel Trust I’d have 100% have given to the dogs; if it wasn’t TT, I’d have spent a bit more time thinking about my choice.
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I’m sorry but I think this is a publicity thing as, I believe, almost all children and baby’s funerals are free in the UK.
To continue from @Lazarus excellent summary, they also refuse to signpost to any other organisations, including in areas that they physically don’t serve - so anyone searching on their website for help isn’t shown any local food banks even if their nearest TT one is miles and miles away. They’re not a business, the other food banks shouldn’t be seen as “competitors” anyway and most other websites do mention others in the area as they realise that anyone searching probably, you know, actually needs the help.@Lazarus I'm curious about your comment on TT?
As @Ittybittytittyclub has said (thank you) that has never been confirmed, and if it is true we have no idea of the circumstances.I think it's really clutching at straws to say that we don't know she had other children and that they were removed from her care.
Its really weird isnt it?Obviously this is total speculation as this is just a discussion thread not the jury break out room -
But those photographs of children could also be his children from past relationships and not hers? Which would make total sense as to why there are only a handful of pictures of them, and why some have said that the backgrounds look like contact centres?
I know she’s in anti social services groups but maybe it’s somewhat on his behalf if he has limited contact because of his offending history/DV which feels probable with the v violent nature of his teenage offences?
Idk I just find it weird for someone who has a lot of photographs of their life online and especially as she gets tagged in a lot from gatherings with family/friends that there’s not one of her ever pregnant? Like even if just for her first surely her friends and family would be full of hope that having this child would set her straight and be the end of the chaotic years her mum said she found “challenging” - and there would have been a period of time she was at home with at least the first child so you’d get some of the normal photos of baby life?
Also running with the idea the letters are initials - none of them have either M or G at the end? Which could mean that they’ve taken the birth mother’s surnames…?
If they were their kids, they'd need to be born post-2016 when they met and then she went off the grid so to speak and was isolated with him, so I don't think it's that weird there aren't (public) photos of her pregnant especially as it seemed like most of the comments from her friends on them all were along the lines of how they hadn't seen her in years which lines up.Obviously this is total speculation as this is just a discussion thread not the jury break out room -
But those photographs of children could also be his children from past relationships and not hers? Which would make total sense as to why there are only a handful of pictures of them, and why some have said that the backgrounds look like contact centres?
I know she’s in anti social services groups but maybe it’s somewhat on his behalf if he has limited contact because of his offending history/DV which feels probable with the v violent nature of his teenage offences?
Idk I just find it weird for someone who has a lot of photographs of their life online and especially as she gets tagged in a lot from gatherings with family/friends that there’s not one of her ever pregnant? Like even if just for her first surely her friends and family would be full of hope that having this child would set her straight and be the end of the chaotic years her mum said she found “challenging” - and there would have been a period of time she was at home with at least the first child so you’d get some of the normal photos of baby life?
Also running with the idea the letters are initials - none of them have either M or G at the end? Which could mean that they’ve taken the birth mother’s surnames…?
That’s a really good suggestion.Obviously this is total speculation as this is just a discussion thread not the jury break out room -
But those photographs of children could also be his children from past relationships and not hers? Which would make total sense as to why there are only a handful of pictures of them, and why some have said that the backgrounds look like contact centres?
I know she’s in anti social services groups but maybe it’s somewhat on his behalf if he has limited contact because of his offending history/DV which feels probable with the v violent nature of his teenage offences?
Idk I just find it weird for someone who has a lot of photographs of their life online and especially as she gets tagged in a lot from gatherings with family/friends that there’s not one of her ever pregnant? Like even if just for her first surely her friends and family would be full of hope that having this child would set her straight and be the end of the chaotic years her mum said she found “challenging” - and there would have been a period of time she was at home with at least the first child so you’d get some of the normal photos of baby life?
Also running with the idea the letters are initials - none of them have either M or G at the end? Which could mean that they’ve taken the birth mother’s surnames…?
I don’t think it’s odd - the media just won’t be allowed to report on any other children. Plus they wouldn’t have access to any details whatsoever to find concrete information, as family courts and their judgements aren’t open to the public are they?But it is really odd that there's just no mention of her other children in the media
I keep going back to look as it just doesn’t make sense to me about these other kids. Re us hearing nothing about the children - it sort of makes sense as the press have to be really careful with details of children and especially incredibly vulnerable ones like these LOs are. But that’s what’s made me so suspicious in a way because even in the case of Logan Mwangi his sibling was mentioned from early on, but I can’t remember if that was because he was discovered to be a suspect/perpetrator quite early on…? And his sibling was in the home and under the same care as Logan I suppose, similarly the other child in the home of Arthur Labinjo-Hughes was mentioned from fairly early iirc? But there’s no way of saying I suppose so it’s not comparing apples to apples as all of those cases were far more developed before they hit the scale of press coverage that this one currently has from pre-arrest/discovery of a body so maybe we will find out more about the baby’s siblings in due course. Maybe we won’t especially if these children are under the care of someone else whether it be the state or their bio mums?Its really weird isnt it?
You'd have to be some kind of person to give birth to your first child in the way she did, even if she didn't plan to do so in a car, she still went unchecked, unmonitored and fled 'home' to have her baby.
And what you guys can see on Facebook is what she wanted the public to see, she might have changed her settings and have thousands of private photos of her children/pregnancy.
But it is really odd that there's just no mention of her other children in the media, maybe there's been a 'gagging order' or suchlike to protect them, which is quite right, poor little thing must've been through a lot.
The angle that their other children have been removed and that they were involved with SS does make sense in most ways though.
do you mean you’d think the commenters on her fb photos would likely have known she was pregnant (because it would have been mentioned before the child was that age) but their comments showed that they were surprised?also what made me think ??? again was that some of those commenting were more of her parents’ age than hers, and that generation would mention sensitive subjects like pregnancy or kids on social media? But still, nada.
It seems fairly certain that whoever the children were, they weren’t involved in being on the run so they won’t be allowed to mention them publicly. Possibly at trial the media may be allowed to report that previously children had been removed from their care (if true ofc) but I wouldn’t expect them to share anything regarding a number or genders etc.I keep going back to look as it just doesn’t make sense to me about these other kids. Re us hearing nothing about the children - it sort of makes sense as the press have to be really careful with details of children and especially incredibly vulnerable ones like these LOs are. But that’s what’s made me so suspicious in a way because even in the case of Logan Mwangi his sibling was mentioned from early on, but I can’t remember if that was because he was discovered to be a suspect/perpetrator quite early on…? And his sibling was in the home and under the same care as Logan I suppose, similarly the other child in the home of Arthur Labinjo-Hughes was mentioned from fairly early iirc? But there’s no way of saying I suppose so it’s not comparing apples to apples as all of those cases were far more developed before they hit the scale of press coverage that this one currently has from pre-arrest/discovery of a body so maybe we will find out more about the baby’s siblings in due course. Maybe we won’t especially if these children are under the care of someone else whether it be the state or their bio mums?
Agree re Facebook privacy controls but it’s also very hard to have 100% control sadly, also what made me think ??? again was that some of those commenting were more of her parents’ age than hers, and that generation would mention sensitive subjects like pregnancy or kids on social media? But still, nada.
The whole thing is just so bizarre and beyond comprehension tbh.
Sorry that wasn’t clear - but just found it odd how some of her older Facebook friends were checking in to hear from her as they hadn’t for a few years, and hadn’t asked how she/the kids were getting on? And this is going back a good few years, none of them at any point have ever made reference to pregnancies or children (that I can see, obvs there may be DMs or private content) which just seems odd. Especially regarding the first pregnancy, I can understand if word had got around about a potential removal etc so people didn’t ask but even so, would your dad’s boating/uni/boarding school chum be privvy to that level of detail and not just vaguely know that Constance had at some point had at least one child?do you mean you’d think the commenters on her fb photos would likely have known she was pregnant (because it would have been mentioned before the child was that age) but their comments showed that they were surprised?
Yes I see what you mean.Sorry that wasn’t clear - but just found it odd how some of her older Facebook friends were checking in to hear from her as they hadn’t for a few years, and hadn’t asked how she/the kids were getting on? And this is going back a good few years, none of them at any point have ever made reference to pregnancies or children (that I can see, obvs there may be DMs or private content) which just seems odd. Especially regarding the first pregnancy, I can understand if word had got around about a potential removal etc so people didn’t ask but even so, would your dad’s boating/uni/boarding school chum be privvy to that level of detail and not just vaguely know that Constance had at some point had at least one child?
Idk I just find it incredibly odd. Like I don’t post anything on socials and didn’t post about my pregnancy because it was high risk/I was terrified but even then I had a boomer neighbour leave a comment on my inactive Facebook account about itI just find it so hard to believe that someone who was so surrounded by friends and family (albeit estranged and estrangement is complicated and there are degrees of and ebbs and flows, imagine even moreso in her social class which is a very small group of people?) wouldn’t have had similar? Not even once? It’s so bizarre.
Agree and this is always a possibility. And hearing about the areas she was living in (Eltham, Ilford, then choosing to stay around East Ham when on the run) it’s not as if they’d have bumped into anyone fromUnless they were so estranged that they didn’t know.
Grandpa was too busy posting about the flat earth and aliensYes I see what you mean.
You’d think one of her parents would have shared about the birth of a grandchild - especially a first grandchild - and word would get round from there or something.
Unless they were so estranged that they didn’t know.
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