Clementine Ford

[gooridoori]

I worry about the influence she has on young ones and all the stuff she was doing with derm lab posting story after story about the expensive body mods she was having done. This new campaign also feels like public relations to try correct her reputation with the sisterhood because she is being called out by Indigenous and WOC writers for lifting their work. She doesn't have a good reputation for supporting women locally I know that much


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That's an interesting perspective. I don't mean that sarcastically! Hard to tell tone on internet but I mean it genuinely.

So you think sensationalist or hard line views are OK because they get people in the middle talking? Personally I don't think it's a good approach, and off putting to many. It also makes it hard for me to take that writer seriously as the exaggeration diminishes the argument for me.

nothing about Clementines work even touches the surface with systemic issues it just feels like a content stream on rotation and takes away the focus from feminists on the ground doing real advocacy work or fighting to change policies and legislation. I think she does do more harm than good. I think she was saying some good stuff a few years ago that not many feminist voices were yet talking about in media in Australia but she has lost her way and is stuck in the hate all men phase and seems to be running out of ideas. Most of my mob are in Coffs and some in Sydney and our communities are battling with severe housing crisis while Clementine telling women to leave their husband's, screams of blindsided privilege to me.

 

[emmygluewho]

I worry about the influence she has on young ones and all the stuff she was doing with derm lab posting story after story about the expensive body mods she was having done. This new campaign also feels like public relations to try correct her reputation with the sisterhood because she is being called out by Indigenous and WOC writers for lifting their work. She doesn't have a good reputation for supporting women locally I know that much


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nothing about Clementines work even touches the surface with systemic issues it just feels like a content stream on rotation and takes away the focus from feminists on the ground doing real advocacy work or fighting to change policies and legislation. I think she does do more harm than good. I think she was saying some good stuff a few years ago that not many feminist voices were yet talking about in media in Australia but she has lost her way and is stuck in the hate all men phase and seems to be running out of ideas. Most of my mob are in Coffs and some in Sydney and our communities are battling with severe housing crisis while Clementine telling women to leave their husband's, screams of blindsided privilege to me.

I'm not the only one that thinks she looks hideous in this campaign am I!?

 

[melfish]

It has strong 80s mom vibes

 

[influenzaaar]

I do not like the look nor do I like Hilary Holme

 

[gooridoori]

I honestly feel like Clementine's take on marriage is based on a) her own partnership falling apart and b) WAAYYY too much time spent reading mums groups complaints about their tit husbands. Everyone knows horror stories about men who literally never change a nappy, can't be left alone with their own children, and complain their wives aren't earning any money while they run the entire household. Those women are in borderline (and sometimes outright) abusive situations and they do need help. But no one goes online to sing the praises of the partner who takes on night wakes, daycare drop offs, uses his parental leave and actually loves his wife! It just feels like the most sensationalised, black and white take.
I actually agree with so many criticisms of marriage and to be honest I don't know if I would do it again - I was young, what can I say. But I also really believe in trying to make a long term relationship work, which you can't do by calling ultimatums and slamming doors as you leave.

https://primer.com.au/clementine-ford-separation/ I remember when she published this article and people who know her ex had to monitor his mental health. She also posted a lot on her socials around that period trying to hint at him being awful and forgetting her birthday and stuff like that but people who know him say he's actually a decent dude. Clementine has switched up her brand now and says they are great at coparenting and good friends but I just think about if she considered her child's wellbeing before publishing like this, he's going to read it one day.
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"I Became A Mother. And Then I Left My Partner"

When Clementine Ford became a mother, the sense of shock felt like betrayal. She explains why she couldn't stay in her relationship.

primer.com.au

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I really believe people like her leave decent partners so they can become part time parents and get some of their old single life back. They apparently share 50/50 custody.

 

[therealsmilf]

https://primer.com.au/clementine-ford-separation/ I remember when she published this article and people who know her ex had to monitor his mental health. She also posted a lot on her socials around that period trying to hint at him being awful and forgetting her birthday and stuff like that but people who know him say he's actually a decent dude. Clementine has switched up her brand now and says they are great at coparenting and good friends but I just think about if she considered her child's wellbeing before publishing like this, he's going to read it one day.
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"I Became A Mother. And Then I Left My Partner"

When Clementine Ford became a mother, the sense of shock felt like betrayal. She explains why she couldn't stay in her relationship.

primer.com.au

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I really believe people like her leave decent partners so they can become part time parents and get some of their old single life back. They apparently share 50/50 custody.

That's actually an excerpt from her book and not an article. It must have been at least 3 years since when that relationship ended.

It's also a fair assessment of what can happen to relationships after a baby is born.

I don't agree with everything she says or does, but I think you've missed the mark with your assessment on that piece from her book. She never speaks poorly of him and from all accounts they have forged a really strong co-parenting arrangement which is the ultimate goal.

It's not something I've managed with my ex-husband. And our relationship went a very similar way, give or take a few things..

 

[influenzaaar]

That's actually an excerpt from her book and not an article. It must have been at least 3 years since when that relationship ended.

It's also a fair assessment of what can happen to relationships after a baby is born.

I don't agree with everything she says or does, but I think you've missed the mark with your assessment on that piece from her book. She never speaks poorly of him and from all accounts they have forged a really strong co-parenting arrangement which is the ultimate goal.

It's not something I've managed with my ex-husband. And our relationship went a very similar way, give or take a few things..

Agree! Absolutely nothing wrong with what she’s written here; for one, it was her experience. For two, it’s the experience of many women, and by sharing it, it gives permission for others to acknowledge their truth. I had a very similar experience, which my ex and I both acknowledge (along with my own failings) and we share an exceptional friendship and co-parent well.

 

[gooridoori]

That's actually an excerpt from her book and not an article. It must have been at least 3 years since when that relationship ended.

It's also a fair assessment of what can happen to relationships after a baby is born.

I don't agree with everything she says or does, but I think you've missed the mark with your assessment on that piece from her book. She never speaks poorly of him and from all accounts they have forged a really strong co-parenting arrangement which is the ultimate goal.

It's not something I've managed with my ex-husband. And our relationship went a very similar way, give or take a few things.

It's been published as an article as well and that's how people who click on the link will read it even if they haven't read the book. When this was published she was posting heaps of IG content that was way worse and everyone knew who she was taking shots at. Good coparenting like you said is the ultimate goal but her child's Dad is not a writer and wasn't given a voice here so we only get one side of the story which is unfair IMO some things are better left private especially when they are still so fresh and still being resolved and especially when it involves children but we can have different opinions.

 

[screenfreelookatme]

I'm not the only one that thinks she looks hideous in this campaign am I!?

It’s like a glamour shot you’d get at the back of Grace Bros back in the day . They’ve clearly gone for this look on purpose, so I guess I’ll just file it under “not for me”

 

[therealsmilf]

https://primer.com.au/clementine-ford-separation/ I remember when she published this article and people who know her ex had to monitor his mental health. She also posted a lot on her socials around that period trying to hint at him being awful and forgetting her birthday and stuff like that but people who know him say he's actually a decent dude. Clementine has switched up her brand now and says they are great at coparenting and good friends but I just think about if she considered her child's wellbeing before publishing like this, he's going to read it one day.
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"I Became A Mother. And Then I Left My Partner"

When Clementine Ford became a mother, the sense of shock felt like betrayal. She explains why she couldn't stay in her relationship.

primer.com.au

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I really believe people like her leave decent partners so they can become part time parents and get some of their old single life back. They apparently share 50/50 custody.

Co-parenting does make you a part-time parent.

You only just joined tattle on the weekend and you've only spoken about Clementine with all this "inside info", you found this excerpt from her book that you know was written elsewhere even though that seems illogical.

That article is fairly harmless imo and not something awful for their son to read. It feels like an honest depiction of her experience and I am sure his father has his own experience that he speak to their son about.

Your Clementine hatred feels quite specific and coincidental given the other stuff going on with the other writer.

 

[leeeeleeee]

I think that article is very relatable to a lot of women when they first become mothers. Some relationships survive , some don’t. But those feelings? So common.

She is so careful in her words to own all her feelings. I see no demonising of her partner. It’s her account of how she felt and what action she took.

 

[Misterduck]

I too have issues personally with this black or white, all or nothing approach. But then I also sort of think that it takes these extreme views to stimulate the conversation amongst those in the middle, if that makes sense? If she was balanced and nuanced about everything then maybe she’d just get lost in the internet abyss.

100% agree with that.

I’m married and I still agree with her stance on the patriarchy and the toxicity of the institution as a whole. I never felt personally attacked by her stance and I don’t think she literally means that all women should get divorced. But a lot of women probably don’t have a good reason to stay in a marriage besides it’s what’s expected of them.

I got married after more than 10 years in a relationship because we both felt it was time. I never felt like I had to and that makes all the difference. My mother was never married and I don’t live in a country where marriage is seen as super important but her message applies to a lot of people still imo.

 

[atome74]

It's been published as an article as well and that's how people who click on the link will read it even if they haven't read the book. When this was published she was posting heaps of IG content that was way worse and everyone knew who she was taking shots at. Good coparenting like you said is the ultimate goal but her child's Dad is not a writer and wasn't given a voice here so we only get one side of the story which is unfair IMO some things are better left private especially when they are still so fresh and still being resolved and especially when it involves children but we can have different opinions.

yeah I remember the much worse content from the time, it really put me off her. I know it's not an easy division between the personal and the political when it comes to feminism... it just sounds to me like she couldn't communicate how she was feeling in her relationship, and really was blindsided by the demands of a newborn (this is why they tell you "this too shall pass"!!) and bailed out early. I really don't want to negatively judge anyone who decides that because heaven knows sometimes it's truly unworkable, but not everyone then tries to bankroll the experience into a book deal. I guess for me it's also NOT a new take at all - second wave feminists like Germaine Greer had a lot to say about rejecting marriage, but pop-culture feminists like Clem don't like to reference them due to the association with TERFs.

 

[influenzaaar]

Co-parenting does make you a part-time parent.

You only just joined tattle on the weekend and you've only spoken about Clementine with all this "inside info", you found this excerpt from her book that you know was written elsewhere even though that seems illogical.

That article is fairly harmless imo and not something awful for their son to read. It feels like an honest depiction of her experience and I am sure his father has his own experience that he speak to their son about.

Your Clementine hatred feels quite specific and coincidental given the other stuff going on with the other writer.

I’d hazard a keen guess that @gooridoori is Laura La Rose. First post, a lengthy post about Clem, was at 5am Sunday morning; Laura actively posted a story on her IG between 5-6am that same day. It seems a rather focused time of day to be posting on tattle. Coupled with the range of @gooridoori posts only being Clem focused In addition to referring to being First Nations and their mob from Sydney, which is where Laura is from. Which is fine but just be up front about it either that.. or it’s a red herring because the obviousness seems sloppy.

 

[therealsmilf]

Co-parenting does make you a part-time parent.

Just realised my typo and obviously I meant that co-parenting does NOT make you a part time parent.

I'm horrified

 

[atome74]

sorry but why would you need to be up front about who you "are" on tattle, what does it matter?

 

[therealsmilf]

our communities are battling with severe housing crisis while Clementine telling women to leave their husband's, screams of blindsided privilege to me

So people should stay in unhealthy relationships because they have nowhere else to go??

That is basically what most women are forced to do most of the time. Often until they are murdered.

The housing crisis and men being rubbish partners are 2 very separate issues. Clementine doesn't have to vocal about every single social issue, no one does.

Clementine has had work done, it's obvious, but I have too. And Clem is honest about it. She is obviously in a far more privileged position than me, and most single parents, when it comes to beauty treatments. But she is honest about having work done which is polar opposite to most influencers.

She has changed a lot since I've followed her, but overall her message hasn't changed. She's remaining steadfast in her beliefs which is refreshing is a sea of IG personalities with zero substance. I don't agree with everything she says and I don't follow her closely as I used too, but I have gotten a lot out of her content over the years. And I too loved her last book "How We Love"

 

[loveinfluenzas]

sorry but why would you need to be up front about who you "are" on tattle, what does it matter?

Agreed, pretty sure the whole point of tattle is to NOT be upfront about who you are.. There are many people here I suspect are 'influencers' or those spoken about but gosh this pile on for Laura is ridiculous

 

[influenzaaar]

Agreed, pretty sure the whole point of tattle is to NOT be upfront about who you are.. There are many people here I suspect are 'influencers' or those spoken about but gosh this pile on for Laura is ridiculous

Oh agree the point is to be anonymous, however the user accused another user of being clementine Ford and also wholeheartedly denied being Laura, all while trying to extend this whole thing with screenshots and article links etc etc.
it seems really thinly veiled and specific in its focus, mainly I find it detracts from the thread. Im not piling on Laura, if you read my previous posts you’ll see my view on the Clem / Laura thing.

 

[loveinfluenzas]

Oh agree the point is to be anonymous, however the user accused another user of being clementine Ford and also wholeheartedly denied being Laura, all while trying to extend this whole thing with screenshots and article links etc etc.
it seems really thinly veiled and specific in its focus, mainly I find it detracts from the thread. Im not piling on Laura, if you read my previous posts you’ll see my view on the Clem / Laura thing.

Okay but just let her be? This is a tattle thread on Clem not a rave about.