Clementine Ford

[Bushpig81]

So she's saying that couple think they're better than everyone else because the bride wore a pink dress.

Isn't that Clem's whole shtick? Thinking she's better than everyone else because she hates men and marriage and she's single?

She's very smart. Yes. But also so bloody angry all the time about things that don't affect her one bit!

 

[blahblahboring]

It feels like going after marriage is like going after low hanging fruit. Feminism has way bigger issues to address. Maybe if she was talking about child marriage, forced marriage but she really only seems interested in going after privileged, white women getting married. I would be really interested to know what Amy Thunig makes of it.

 

[livelaughlauren]

I would be really interested to know what Amy Thunig makes of it.

Yes! Amy’s wedding looked so fun and colourful - I can’t help but feel like this whole spiel was a dig at her

Would also love to know what Gina Martin (@ginamartin) makes of it all. Her and Clem are quite chummy and she had a very different/alternative type wedding earlier this year.

 

[Michy02]

strange lumps around mouth and in forehead. Is that from cosmetics?
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I don’t mean normal lines either. It’s like something moving underneath her skin.

Botox and Filler migration?

 

[therealsmilf]

Her points about the history of marriage are solid and stand up - it's the total lack of context around modern marriage that makes me eye-roll. Unhealthy relationships are bad, yes

Her book and theory are about the institution of marriage, and yes overall, even now today, men benefit from marriage more than women do and women overwhelming take on the bulk of the domestic and mental load. Yes there are exceptions but they are exceptions.

I agree with all of that wholeheartedly - in general marriage is bad for women. But I don't get why she needs to pick on specific weddings or marriages. Plenty of people agree with her takes on defacto relationships and marriage. She has shared heaps of content that I have learnt from on the subject without going after individuals.

Picking on individuals is petty and the point she is trying to make gets lost along the way.

 

[atome74]

So much of what she rails against marriage for is equally applicable to a de facto coupling, so really what she's witching about is heteronormative relationships.

That's really sad if she really is trying to make jabs at Amy Thunig, particularly as I believe Amy identifies as non-binary... so definitely does not fit Clem's narrative of evil men taking advantage of their partner... I feel like Luke McGregor is at low risk of suddenly refusing to do the dishes...

 

[gooridoori]

This! So often I'm like YES, then every now and again she posts something that just makes me roll my eyes and think "God get a life."

So much of what she rails against marriage for is equally applicable to a de facto coupling, so really what she's witching about is heteronormative relationships. Her points about the history of marriage are solid and stand up - it's the total lack of context around modern marriage that makes me eye-roll. Unhealthy relationships are bad, yes. Male toxicity needs to be called out, yes. But not all men are awful (I hate that you can't say "not all men" now without feeling like a fool) and not all straight relationships are toxic. The majority of the world is straight, and humans are a social species so most of us would like to have a romantic companion. Rather than say we should all get in the bin and that be that, isn't it good that we embrace healthy companionship and celebrate righting the wrongs of decades past (where we do)? It's so diminutive and close-minded to assume all women in a relationship with a man are somehow being taken advantage of and just too dim to see it.

(She also seems to expect all men to think and behave like women, and that's the crux of the issue, which is just so bleeping arrogant and dismissive of some pretty core, basic biological differences.)

right on, and the arguments against the institution of marriage have been made many times in previous decades so it just feels like she is reproducing a topic that’s already Done the rounds. I don’t think she is bringing anything new to the table. I can’t help but think this is personal for Clementine like somethings haven’t gone her way in life, and now we are all expected to adopt her beliefs and cheer her along.

 

[BumbleBeeMarmalade]

right on, and the arguments against the institution of marriage have been made many times in previous decades so it just feels like she is reproducing a topic that’s already Done the rounds. I don’t think she is bringing anything new to the table. I can’t help but think this is personal for Clementine like somethings haven’t gone her way in life, and now we are all expected to adopt her beliefs and cheer her along.

Agree, this just seems petty and bitter.

I wonder why she's never used this energy to bag out motherhood and the traditions behind that, but given that's a choice she has made that goes by uncriticised.

 

[gooridoori]

Agree, this just seems petty and bitter.

I wonder why she's never used this energy to bag out motherhood and the traditions behind that, but given that's a choice she has made that goes by uncriticised.

so true. And she should possibly also spend more time reflecting on her choices to advocate for toxic beauty standards.

 

[Michy02]

That's really sad if she really is trying to make jabs at Amy Thunig, particularly as I believe Amy identifies as non-binary... so definitely does not fit Clem's narrative of evil men taking advantage of their partner... I feel like Luke McGregor is at low risk of suddenly refusing to do the dishes...

Amy and Luke’s wedding pics are gorgeous and I find their love story (the little I know from social media) romantic we have already spoken on the thread about how their (online) friendship basically stopped after the elopement.

 

[gooridoori]

Amy and Luke’s wedding pics are gorgeous and I find their love story (the little I know from social media) romantic we have already spoken on the thread about how their (online) friendship basically stopped after the elopement.

I don’t know Amy but they are a disabled Aboriginal non binary person. If Clementine is using her platform to bully them that is so shame.

I just noticed on Amy’s Instagram that one of their friends recently had a hens party and the bride wore a red dress hmmmm lots of coincidences
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Just listened to the first half of this and had to turn it off. It feels like Clementine writes half of the submissions herself , just feels like it’s clementines voice and then Clementine responding to herself if that makes sense.

 

[Pollie]

I don’t know Amy but they are a disabled Aboriginal non binary person. If Clementine is using her platform to bully them that is so shame.

I just noticed on Amy’s Instagram that one of their friends recently had a hens party and the bride wore a red dress hmmmm lots of coincidences
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Just listened to the first half of this and had to turn it off. It feels like Clementine writes half of the submissions herself , just feels like it’s clementines voice and then Clementine responding to herself if that makes sense.

Sorry to sound ignorant here but how is Amy disabled? I hadn’t heard this before.
And yes seems like clementine is being a real mole to Amy.

 

[gooridoori]

Sorry to sound ignorant here but how is Amy disabled? I hadn’t heard this before.
And yes seems like clementine is being a real mole to Amy.

Sorry it is possibly an assumption on my part as they have been public about having fibro, endo, more recently POTS, and also being autistic. I don’t know if they identify as disabled but I am presuming that combination of things would be disabling.

 

[Pollie]

Sorry it is possibly an assumption on my part as they have been public about having fibro, endo, more recently POTS, and also being autistic. I don’t know if they identify as disabled but I am presuming that combination of things would be disabling.

That is alot to handle.

 

[gooridoori]

That is alot to handle.

Yes it would be

 

[melfish]

so true. And she should possibly also spend more time reflecting on her choices to advocate for toxic beauty standards.

Yep, she just shuts it down with "because I like it".

 

[gooridoori]

Yep, she just shuts it down with "because I like it".

Reminds me of a 1990s Loreal advertisement

‘because I’m worth it’

 

[golirogo]

Yep, she just shuts it down with "because I like it".

The double standards. Maybe some women like being married, Clem.

 

[Ill fitting culottes]

She's not going to attack motherhood because she IS a mother. From what I have gathered she's never been married. Maybe she's just jealous of all these people celebrating one thing that she keeps banging on about, love. Sure you can love your "sisters" in your life, but you can also have a long and happy marriage too.

How many (happily) married people are going to read her book and say duck the patriarchy I'm getting a divorce because I don't need to be married. Not many. Is she writing this book for herself so she can believe that marriage isn't for her? Why can't she just do some sponsored pelvic floor post and announce to the world she's ok being single.

 

[Pollie]

She’s def not ok with being single. Didn’t someone say she broke up with the baby daddy purely so she could have 50 percent free time. Wouldn’t surprise me, she probably would love a partner but she’s so bleeping annoying nobody will go near her .