Basically, in a nutshell, yes - but not before announcing that she's decided white people aren't all racist and she no longer believes in "woke" cultureNot sure what to make of LBG’s posts, I haven’t been aware of her although I remember SF reposting things where she was being encouraging. Has she now quit the internet after trying the “”reparations”” thing herself?
And yet still no mention of Quadrille publishersHey! SF is back on her “pay me all the royalties then pull the book” BS train. Sigh. So nothing has been resolved. Sigh.
Tbh I think this goes against the very point which she was trying to make - it’s ok to make mistakes, mess up, be human, she sees now what she did was wrong and is speaking up about the dangers of toxic wokeness which she herself got wrapped up in. She’s saying it’s ok to change your mind about things (which it is, and is what she’s doing). She made a mistake and sees things differently now, haven’t we all done that at some point? I think it’s great she’s grown and spoken up about leaving the echo chamber. We all make mistakes, that’s how we learn. Let her live.LBG also posted this. What a 180, after literally a few weeks ago making a post saying "Black people leave your paypal/ venmo here so white people can send you cash", to now "I don't believe all white people are racist". She made her money and got out - must be nice
She reminds me of the most toxic and unreasonable person I’ve ever met and had the misfortune of living with, I hate it so much. She needs to just stop this now.Hey! SF is back on her “pay me all the royalties then pull the book” BS train. Sigh. So nothing has been resolved. Sigh.
What a bloody good read that was from Africa Brooke. Thank you for sharing. With regards to LBG i too support the change in thinking.. it shows reflection and growth whereas SF doesn't really seem to have taken the time to consider all angles of her argument. There is no doubt there is an argument to be had around the publishing industry - had she taken to this route i would have been supporting her cause (and should this still happen in future i will still offer my support as i do genuinely believe change needs to happen).Tbh I think this goes against the very point which she was trying to make - it’s ok to make mistakes, mess up, be human, she sees now what she did was wrong and is speaking up about the dangers of toxic wokeness which she herself got wrapped up in. She’s saying it’s ok to change your mind about things (which it is, and is what she’s doing). She made a mistake and sees things differently now, haven’t we all done that at some point? I think it’s great she’s grown and spoken up about leaving the echo chamber. We all make mistakes, that’s how we learn. Let her live.
Her posts here remind me of Africa Brooke’s blog post on why she’s leaving wokeness, linked here if anyone is interested: https://ckarchive.com/b/d0ueh0h67mpd
I think we need more voices like this speaking up about toxic wokeness so I fully support LBG’s 180.
She reminds me of the most toxic and unreasonable person I’ve ever met and had the misfortune of living with, I hate it so much. She needs to just stop this now.
If you liked the essay by Africa Brooke on leaving wokeness, you may also like this 5 min video by Ayishat Akanbi called ‘The Problem With Wokeness’.What a bloody good read that was from Africa Brooke. Thank you for sharing. With regards to LBG i too support the change in thinking.. it shows reflection and growth whereas SF doesn't really seem to have taken the time to consider all angles of her argument. There is no doubt there is an argument to be had around the publishing industry - had she taken to this route i would have been supporting her cause (and should this still happen in future i will still offer my support as i do genuinely believe change needs to happen).
Tbh I think this goes against the very point which she was trying to make - it’s ok to make mistakes, mess up, be human, she sees now what she did was wrong and is speaking up about the dangers of toxic wokeness which she herself got wrapped up in. She’s saying it’s ok to change your mind about things (which it is, and is what she’s doing). She made a mistake and sees things differently now, haven’t we all done that at some point? I think it’s great she’s grown and spoken up about leaving the echo chamber. We all make mistakes, that’s how we learn. Let her live.
Her posts here remind me of Africa Brooke’s blog post on why she’s leaving wokeness, linked here if anyone is interested: https://ckarchive.com/b/d0ueh0h67mpd
I think we need more voices like this speaking up about toxic wokeness so I fully support LBG’s 180.
She reminds me of the most toxic and unreasonable person I’ve ever met and had the misfortune of living with, I hate it so much. She needs to just stop this now.
I agree, and as you said it bothers me that CE is acting as though FG stole any potential success... except WATTBA did extremely well (per insta post I’ve attached she outsold her advance within a year of publication), so well that the publishers were more than happy to publish another CE book, How To Get Over a Boy, and even a spin off journal for WATTBA?I apologise if I say anything offensive in this message and will welcome being called out for it. It’s not my intention.
SF is trying to say that her situation is the same as the fantastic I May Destroy You being snubbed by awards. This really winds me up because it just plays into the hands of prejudiced people. IMDY was an amazing piece of work that has not had recognition unfairly due to racism. WATTBA is not the same thing! The equivalence is “anything a Black woman makes is inherently excellent”. I’m having a hard time articulating that it seems like SF is weaponising racism and it’s the kind of thing that will push people further into racist ways of thinking because she’s hitching herself to something legitimate but as a scam. I feel like it makes it easier for someone to dismiss the evidence of racism in the situation with IMDY if people chip in with “yeah, just like WATTBA!” because that situation is so murky and scammy that it devalues it. IMDY is clearly not getting the respect it richly deserves due to racism and that needs to be fixed. Even with quality issues aside, WATTBA is sold out, SF is making money hand over fist with PayPal and SkillShare and what she wants is more money or to bring FG’s career down. WATTBA has had and is getting its dues with that sold out run, SF is getting hers, this just isn’t the same.
There are problems in publishing and representation but it doesn’t look to me like CE has actually spoken on the numbers of BAME people in publishing, the chances given etc. She’s just loudly taken one of those (unfairly) rare positions and started setting fires all around herself. She was happily shutting Munroe out where she could by encouraging followers to cancel preorders (in sharing all those messages of “I’ve cancelled my preorder to give you the money”). Everything she does devalues the work of others that got her where she is.
I can’t get my head around in what world SF is being silenced?? She’s harassing everyone else off their platform ffs! She made over 27k off skillshare in January alone!
yes, this, it feels like she almost wants to be THE exceptional individual rather than owning that actually, lots of people could have done this but have been traditionally locked out of publishing. It’s not that SF is better than every other woman in her position and demographic but she managed to leverage her opportunities and could be uplifting other women with her until it’s not an exceptional thing.Whereas CE just seems to want to slam the door shut behind her (and this falls in line with criticism people make about her being all about the individual rather than community).
There is absolutely truth that CE likely did not have the kind of success as FG due to racism, due to FG being more “palatable”, but it’s disingenuous of her to pretend WATTBA wasn’t successful at all and that FG is stealing the success of a 2 year old book.
Sorry for the rant, apparently had to get it off my chest
I actually love this whole comment! And it’s true, it’s hard (for me) to have a full opinion because I’ve only read CE’s book (I’ve had FG’s for months and it’s still sitting on my shelf), and “It’s like reading several instagram captions printed together on colourful paper.” is entirely accurate.I know racism gets cited a lot for why WDOYP did better than WATTBA, sure maybe that’s part of it. I have mixed heritage so I know from my own experience what racism is like in this country. Florence’s ‘palatability’ gets cited too. But I think honestly WATTBA is just not that good and this also may be something to do with it. It’s like reading several instagram captions printed together on colourful paper. There’s no depth to anything, it’s all surface-level, superficial self help stuff which has mostly been said before. You can see from the way CE has acted with this whole affair that she’s just not that much of a critical, deep thinker (see: her row over ‘reparations’) and this is shown in her book too, in my view.
WATTBA is 1 hour as an audiobook whereas WDOYP is 4.5 (suggesting there’s more depth to the latter than the former). It’s just not that good IMO. Not only that but it isn’t even marketed as a book on feminism (the word doesn’t appear in the book a single time; she did NOT try to write a feminist book whatever she’s saying now). Whereas FG’s book is clearly intended to be a feminist text drawing on existing feminist theory and written accessibly for a younger audience. Feminism is a big topic amongst gen z/milennials + so it makes sense a book about feminism and marketed as such would do well over general self help.
WDOYP also has a lot more depth to it, it’s a stronger text IMO. There’s more detail and information than anything CE talks about in her book.
I honestly think citing racism and palatability undermines the fact FG actually has put a lot of hard graft into making a decent, accessible and successful entry-level feminist text and deserves her success. I think it’s great to have these discussions though as racism usually acts in insidious and subtle ways so it’s good to talk about this kinda stuff in depth!
Quoting this bit in particular because it’s true! Florences book has a lot more written content in hers compared to WATTBA. Florences book is not the same as hers and florence has put more effort in my opinion, but I haven’t read HTGOAB so can’t comment on that one.WATTBA is 1 hour as an audiobook whereas WDOYP is 4.5 (suggesting there’s more depth to the latter than the former). It’s just not that good IMO.
I agree 1000000% First off, IMDY is an outstanding piece of work that should be mandatory viewing for every person in the universe and win every award possible. Secondly, I have not seen Emily, so my uninformed opinion is that it can’t even hold the door open for IMDY. And to make this false equivalence is completely mind-boggling. Dare I say “gas-lighting”?SF is trying to say that her situation is the same as the fantastic I May Destroy You being snubbed by awards. This really winds me up because it just plays into the hands of prejudiced people. IMDY was an amazing piece of work that has not had recognition unfairly due to racism. WATTBA is not the same thing!
I absolutely agree that influencers who are black (maddeningly) struggle more than their white counterparts so this is a possible element with regards to FG/CE’s fanbases.I actually love this whole comment! And it’s true, it’s hard (for me) to have a full opinion because I’ve only read CE’s book (I’ve had FG’s for months and it’s still sitting on my shelf), and “It’s like reading several instagram captions printed together on colourful paper.” is entirely accurate.
I suppose the racism/palatability still comes into it in terms of their popularity and fan base, but it’s still not that straightforward because CE endorses some lines of thought (dating/using men for money) that most won’t be on board with, so there’s more to it.
All this to say your comment is spot on.
I was watching it earlier out loud and my boyfriend called out “oi is that the slumflower girl? She sounds tapped!” HahaLorddddddd has anyone seen Chidera's video rant on her ig story just now. She's actually just some foul mouthed bully, so aggressive, spiteful and nasty. Throwing Munroe's name around yet again and saying she's more disappointed in black influencers than she is in Florence. This girl is an embarrassment, she's acting like she's in some secondary school beef, I don't think she actually realises how much she's putting her career and everything she's worked for at risk by being so slanderous. Mess.
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