There is mothering her and then there’s infantilising her to the point where she minimised, and at points completely airbrushed Caroline’s behaviour in order to paint her as the victim. I think they should have left it at the documentary that was previously aired. It explained it all in a way that highlighted her MH struggles but didn’t look to seek blame, and you still came away sympathetic to Caroline and how her life turned out. All this documentary has done is annoy people that her mother has rewritten the past and played down abusive behaviour and proper course of action, looking to seek blame in every direction but at the person who made a decision to be violent that night.
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I wonder who approached who about making this documentary?
Did the mother approach the company?
Or did they approach her offering a load of money and offering to help her find the " truth "?
If the latter is true then these documentary makers are no better than the press.
I agree with the above poster who said it should of just been left at the first documentary.
Did the mother approach the company?
Or did they approach her offering a load of money and offering to help her find the " truth "?
If the latter is true then these documentary makers are no better than the press.
I agree with the above poster who said it should of just been left at the first documentary.
Really, he was asleep and she smacked him with a phone? Even when she was on conditional bail, she broke her conditions by trying to get in touch with him. Even if he was a twit (and I have no idea as I had never heard of him ever before), he didn't deserve being smacked in the heard with a phone.
Given most people takes pics of everything (including their tea, their nails, drinks poured etc etc) why wouldn't he take a picture of all the blood. I'm also not surprised he sent it to his friend either. Everyone overshares way too much now. The friend was the one who sent it to the press.
But her mother didn't protect her. She should have moved in with Caroline or moved Caroline with her if she was that desperate to stop her doing something stupid. Blaming her friends for leaving is just horrible.
I feel so sorry for her twin sister. Imagine having this hanging over your head for the rest of your life.
We don’t actually know if it was a phone either.. that’s what she claimed. When he called the police he had been woken up by being hit and was confused and in shock.. she had thrown lamps, a desk fan etc it was all thrown and smashed so he originally said on the phone call and when the police arrived it could’ve been any of those things that hit him. She was the one who said it was an accident with her phone in her hand even though the flat was smashed up and she was still kicking off when the police arrived. She had to be restrained by the police but people leave all of that out.
Do you think the police still have the bodycam footage? Caroline was terrified of it coming out and I wonder if it’s because you can SEE the truth, rather than the story of what happened.
Also agreee with previous posters that her mum made out he sat up and she ‘just nudged him’ with the phone… but if he had a HEAD WOUND… it’s clear there was some force behind it.
Also agreee with previous posters that her mum made out he sat up and she ‘just nudged him’ with the phone… but if he had a HEAD WOUND… it’s clear there was some force behind it.
I agree she was worried about the bodycam footage as that could not be 'spun', would the footage from the police interview been shown in court? As wasn't there reports of her behaviour during the interview that if true would have also put her in a negative light as she couldn't use been under the influence.
I get her mum is still in pain but this documentary didn't need to be made/aired.
I get her mum is still in pain but this documentary didn't need to be made/aired.
Dunno if I've got this wrong- but her solicitor seemed a bit of a fool. And why did her defence not challenge the blood thing in the bedroom?. Ie- it's hers not his. (They might have done, it just didn't seem obvious in the doc).
The sad thing is none of it will bring her back or change what happened.
It hadn't gone anywhere near a trial. Far too early to know what they would and wouldn't have challenged.
Did anyone find it unsettling the voice note they played on the documentary which she sent to someone sounding perky saying she is going to make a documentary about it all… like how and why was she thinking about how she could profit off and exploit her assaulting her partner? I find it bizarre.
Can you imagine if it was a well known uk male presenter who this all happened to? Who was dating someone 13 years younger? Who had constantly dated people 10+ years younger (including a teenager)? They would say he was an abuser who prayed on people with less celeb status and money so he could take advantage and have an upper hand. People would never have blamed a girl in their 20’s for calling the police after being woken up and hit over the head. They would call the male manipulative and abusive if he self harmed whilst she called the police on him. If it was a male, Disney/Hulu also wouldn’t have ever considered doing a one sided documentary trying to downplay the violence and blame the media and police. Sorry but it all really baffles me. As a woman even I can see the double standards.
I haven't actually watched it but I'm gathering from reading here that the woman who actually found her body, has been airbrushed out of the story. How can anyone believe anything then that is in it? Shouldn't a documentary be factual? Sounds more like a rewrite of the story than anything else. And I know it's been said a lot but I think it bears repeating. Caroline wanted to keep her mental health struggles private. Now everything is splashed out in this programme. It seems disrespectful of her memory, at best, regardless of what her mother's intentions were.
This is so important for me.
Caroline died at her own hands because she didnt want her mental health issues to become public knowledge. Im nearly sure I read somewhere that she hadnt wanted it revealed the extent of her issues.
It was "bad" enough that everyone would know to some extent because of how she died.... but she was so paranoid that she had and kept several phones, to see all her innermost thoughts being revealed so publicly seems to be completely the opposite of what she wanted.
Even if the mother was trying to ease her own conscience by doing this, I think this was not the way to do it
Just read through this whole thread and some people really do have absolutely disgusting attitudes towards domestic abuse.
I can't believe there's a whole thread dedicated to DARVO on behalf of an abusive person who isn't even still alive.
Caroline's death was still a tragic waste and of course heartbreaking for her family and friends but demonising her victim and minimising her actions is disgraceful.
I can't believe there's a whole thread dedicated to DARVO on behalf of an abusive person who isn't even still alive.
Caroline's death was still a tragic waste and of course heartbreaking for her family and friends but demonising her victim and minimising her actions is disgraceful.
Long time lurker, not very recent poster but I just wanted to share my own experiences here.
A few years ago, I managed to leave my abusive former partner. One of the things he did relatively often, was hit me when I was asleep. Its absolutely terrifying to wake up like that. Its disorienting, obviously painful and it also meant i could never relax when we were getting into bed, because I didnt know when he would do it again.
A slightly different situation, granted, but its been a few years now and my sleeps still messed up from that.
A few years ago, I managed to leave my abusive former partner. One of the things he did relatively often, was hit me when I was asleep. Its absolutely terrifying to wake up like that. Its disorienting, obviously painful and it also meant i could never relax when we were getting into bed, because I didnt know when he would do it again.
A slightly different situation, granted, but its been a few years now and my sleeps still messed up from that.
I took from that that she was trying to sound perky to stop people worrying about her!
So sorry you went through that
I have finally caught up. I aren't a CF fan nor watched anything really what she presented.
Caroline's problems imo come from her wanting (no judgement here) to keep her mental health struggles private. Noone in the world should want or need to know anyone's health diagnosis or issues. The problem it seems is that Caroline herself wasnt ready or willing to address her issues.
Like many of us do, we choose to blame everyone else for our problems without realising that in the words of Taylor Swift, its me, hi, I'm the problem its me.
Its easy to demonise Lewis who I am sure is no saint or angel, as he is the one living, its a lot harder to demonise a dead person, when a person dies you typically focus on their greatness not their faults. Noone will stand at a funeral and say my god she was a pain in the a or jeysus, he was a right gobby rit.
Caroline's mum is not respecting her daughters memory by keeping the details of her health private. Something Caroline seemed terrified of being found out.
Caroline it seems was scared of being seen as an actual person, flaws and all, that I feel is the most tragic.
Noone would have been able to stop her from doing what she felt she had no other choice but to do.
Does anyone know why her elder sister behaved the way she did.
Just finished the doc and it to me it shows where the problem lies - her mum is a massive enabler and helped brush Caroline’s mental health issues under the rug. It’s clear from the other documentary that she most likely has undiagnosed BPD. Her mum is now deflecting and blaming the police/ her friends when she could’ve done so much more herself like physically be present when Caroline was in “hiding” after the DV incident. The whole documentary was her just downplaying her daughter’s violence and trying to pretend it wasn’t as bad as it was apparently a phone rather than a lamp. I know one of the officers who attended and they gave them BOTH first aid. His injury was bad enough to require it too which Caroline’s mum tried arguing wasn’t the case. I was told about this incident and her suicide before it hit the news. This officer also said she was fully off her face on it which they also love to leave out