Caroline Flack #2

[kittymeowlondon]

ive lit called samaritans many times and told my hospital dr my feelings and not once had a follow up call/appt with any medical people

should add I also have a long-term health condition which ive had since a tween and NHS have been useless help with it/made me depressed over the lack of care/information/treatment over it
its not even a rare one!
i just cant be assed with life cos my dr at hospital wont even look me in the eyes when hes asking deeply personal questions
just wanna be seen as a human being pls

 

[northernangel]

Caroline had the luxury though of many private clinics/hospitals to choose from in London.

To go to these places would be a voluntary admission, friends and family wouldn’t be able to force her. It’s clear she was unable or unwilling to accept she was unwell and get the help she needed.

 

[Regina2071]

Never much of a Caroline fan, but thought the whole story was incredibly sad. She certainly had demons, and this wasnt helped by being in the public eye. I think ultimately that she would have struggled at some point.
I ferl sad for her family, but don't think her mum will ever find the answers she's looking for.
I remember feeling at the time that blaming her friends for not being there, ehen they clearly had, was harsh, and listening to Lou Teasdale's podcast with Paul Brunson just makes me incredibly sad about the whole situation.
Its time to let her rest in peace and move on

 

[unwisenotillegal]

I’ve not watched the documentary but this thread has always saddened me going on about Caroline whacking poor burton with the lamp and what if roles were reversed blah, etc. Thank goodness for somebody pointing out the Lewis burton thread which ironically sets the record straight and highlights what a nasty piece of work he is and how wronged she was in all this. Utter tragedy the whole thing and as for all those sticking up for him, professional tennis player my ass, professional con man more like. He should get a proper job and earn his own wage, wtf does he actually do, definition of a leech this man he wasn’t even all that in tennis terms either, proper blag back story this man has and such a shame Caroline fell for it

 

[Flowergirl14]

I’ve not watched the documentary but this thread has always saddened me going on about Caroline whacking poor burton with the lamp and what if roles were reversed blah, etc. Thank goodness for somebody pointing out the Lewis burton thread which ironically sets the record straight and highlights what a nasty piece of work he is and how wronged she was in all this. Utter tragedy the whole thing and as for all those sticking up for him, professional tennis player my ass, professional con man more like. He should get a proper job and earn his own wage, wtf does he actually do, definition of a leech this man he wasn’t even all that in tennis terms either, proper blag back story this man has and such a shame Caroline fell for it

She had a thing for younger men, she definitely had issues…

 

[troutpout69]

I’ve not watched the documentary but this thread has always saddened me going on about Caroline whacking poor burton with the lamp and what if roles were reversed blah, etc. Thank goodness for somebody pointing out the Lewis burton thread which ironically sets the record straight and highlights what a nasty piece of work he is and how wronged she was in all this. Utter tragedy the whole thing and as for all those sticking up for him, professional tennis player my ass, professional con man more like. He should get a proper job and earn his own wage, wtf does he actually do, definition of a leech this man he wasn’t even all that in tennis terms either, proper blag back story this man has and such a shame Caroline fell for it

Couldn’t agree more! He totally gas lit her and she lashed out in a drunken moment! I can’t believe he then sent his friend pics of her blood all over the bed! Absolute rum bag!

 

[Jennytea]

I’ve just watched the documentary and even with how one sided they’ve tried to make it I’m still really struggling to see how they thought it was a good idea to make it and how they’re still blaming the police. It’s confirmed over and over Caroline had mental health problems her whole life and self harmed through out her life too. She had volatile relationships previously with domestic violence allegations and dated men way younger than her which was a red flag in itself (including a teenager when she was in her 30’s). The police and CPS seemed to act appropriately. I hate how everyone they have talk on the documentary completely downplay the issues of domestic violence and how ignorant they are to the procedures officers and the CPS have to follow. Anyone who has an understanding of DV situations know how many victims try and drop charges and how her breaking bail conditions to send him messages was a major red flag too and could be seen as manipulation. It’s a sad situation but I don’t feel the police are to blame for her taking her life and it’s a lot to be putting on officers who were literally doing their job. She is painted as an angel when she clearly was very troubled and problematic. I feel sorry for the pain her mum has gone through but I think she is very naive and wants someone to blame.

 

[Deedeemegadoodoo]

People saying why didn’t they just get her sectioned obviously have no idea how difficult that is. In A&E I’ve seen many people in crisis, who have tried to take their own lives and 99% of them are sent home with community follow up (which is normally a phone call from a mental health worker).

As someone who has had a close young adult female family member sectioned in the last year, there are very few available beds and this can mean you may be moved to a different part of the country. They also do not keep you in until you are completely better, but until medication is at a level where you are a lower threat to yourself or others. They will send you home and the community team takes over.

 

[MistyWindows]

Hey, lurker here who is watching the Disney+ documentary now.

So, full disclosure, I’m British, 30 and was never interested in any of this until maybe last week when I had insomnia and clicked on trending threads, because it was always ‘the love island presenter who was much loved, died due to internet trolls, #if you can be anything be kind’ and I was totally disinterested due to horrible, problematic TikTokers chucking her name around and I’ve never watched LI.

Then I actually googled her for the first time last week, saw a picture and instantly thought “oh tit, it’s her?!” She was absolutely a big part of my childhood, but I didn’t really associate her with that, because of all the bs I’ve heard online about her since her death.
I watched her on CBBC, I wouldn’t call her an outstanding heroine of my childhood or anything, but yes she’s definitely influential and was always around, as a family we used to get very into X-Factor etc.

From what I’ve watched so far (and I’m aware I’m new to her story) I am absolutely sickened by the way her mother is acting.
If I ever die by suicide (and I have come very close indeed to it, several times) and my mother acted like this, harassing and blaming my friends and exes, I’d bloody haunt her.

What an absolute delusional narcissist, I’m sorry if that’s harsh, but no matter what Caroline’s childhood was like, she did become an abuser and it’s very rare that comes out of nothing to do with their upbringing.

I recently listened to an audiobook by Dylan Klebold’s (one of Columbine shooters) mother (and no, I’m not comparing Caroline to Dylan in terms of severity of their crimes, I’m just using it as a comparison as it’s a book I’ve read/listened to just last week) and it’s beautiful, horrible, sad and she doesn’t deny what her son did, blame anyone else, accepts that she may have contributed or perhaps have been able to prevent it, she probably made mistakes, it’s about her battle with not being able to turn back time and her coming to terms with what he did and accepting it and dealing with the grief that comes with.

I have no idea where this ‘social media killed her’ came from, seems like the crappy horrible media culture damaged her already fragile mental health.

It’s always complicated when someone you admire isn’t so perfect, and it’s clear she was an abuser at least to her most recent partner, I don’t think the media coverage would have been different if she were a man, there’s plenty of male celebrities who frequently get away with all this tit and more.

I don’t know, this just all feels so dragged out and her name has become an excuse for ‘influencers’ to do whatever they like, then when there’s a wiff a criticism, Caroline’s name gets pulled out as an ace card. Why?! I’m baffled to be honest

EDIT: Egh I’m sorry, he was hit in the head with a lamp whilst he was sleeping, and Caroline’s mother is trying to play it off as nothing, because Caroline self harmed which inflicted more severe wounds?! Don’t think so, mate. Your daughter could have killed him in that assault and then harmed herself, she was clearly very mentally unstable, if you’re regretting not being around then address that! I’ve very little sympathy for her anymore

 

[Jennytea]

Did anyone find it strange in the CPS report they said they had a hypnotist send a letter to them to try and say that Caroline was having hypnotherapy to help her ‘trust more in relationships’ and that a prosecution could effect her treatment. Very bizarre. Did they seriously think the CPS would drop a case because someone is having hypnotherapy done? Her mum mentioned in the doc that the CPS ignored letters sent by medical professionals.. did her mum really think a hypnotherapist was going to get charges dropped?

 

[ahtisyourself]

I listened to the mother on Spencer Matthew’s podcast and the way she says Caroline “brushed the phone off Lewis’ head” as he woke up is honestly just so unbelievable. Brushed it?!! There is absolutely zero point in even trying to rationalise anything else that comes out of her mouth if she fails at the first hurdle to acknowledge that Caroline threw a phone at her sleeping and defenceless partner and caused a wound.

 

[BugglyWuggly]

I listened to the mother on Spencer Matthew’s podcast and the way she says Caroline “brushed the phone off Lewis’ head” as he woke up is honestly just so unbelievable. Brushed it?!! There is absolutely zero point in even trying to rationalise anything else that comes out of her mouth if she fails at the first hurdle to acknowledge that Caroline threw a phone at her sleeping and defenceless partner and caused a wound.

She's actually maddening! My precious Caroline. No accountability. Total delusion.

 

[ahtisyourself]

She's actually maddening! My precious Caroline. No accountability. Total delusion.

There was another moment on the pod when she said she went to visit Caroline the weekend before she took her own life. She says as she drove out the gate she looked at her small stature and thought “how has a little girl like you gotten into this mess”. Again, minimising what happened and referring to 40 year old Caroline as a harmless little girl who this just happened to, like she didn’t cause it

 

[MistyWindows]

Did anyone find it strange in the CPS report they said they had a hypnotist send a letter to them to try and say that Caroline was having hypnotherapy to help her ‘trust more in relationships’ and that a prosecution could effect her treatment. Very bizarre. Did they seriously think the CPS would drop a case because someone is having hypnotherapy done? Her mum mentioned in the doc that the CPS ignored letters sent by medical professionals.. did her mum really think a hypnotherapist was going to get charges dropped?

Hmmm, I’ve had hypnotherapy and isn’t it usually to change your perception of something quite specific? For me it was to help with the anxiety I felt about my driving test, which helped at least a bit tbf and my mate swore by it more recently when he was struggling to give up smoking.

I don’t think you can fix anyone’s complex relationship issues with hypnotherapy unless they’re doing it for a good year lmao.

Also, no way they’re a “medical professional”, hypnotherapy is definitely not currently endorsed by anyone licensed, at least not one who isn’t dodgy.

 

[Jennytea]

I listened to the mother on Spencer Matthew’s podcast and the way she says Caroline “brushed the phone off Lewis’ head” as he woke up is honestly just so unbelievable. Brushed it?!! There is absolutely zero point in even trying to rationalise anything else that comes out of her mouth if she fails at the first hurdle to acknowledge that Caroline threw a phone at her sleeping and defenceless partner and caused a wound.

The downplaying of DV in the doc and anywhere her mother talks about it is shocking. I can’t believe how outdated the attitudes are. If it was the other way around no one would be saying a woman shouldn’t have called the police. When the solicitor says in the doc he’s never known victims to drop charges. I thought ‘is he serious?’ DV victims are known for dropping charges!! He would be aware of this so it’s wild he said it on camera. Her mum also speaking to a journalist and saying they should’ve thought of Caroline before printing stories about it and should’ve considered her feelings. It is even said that Caroline offered to do ‘exclusives’ for them if they wouldn’t print anything that basically made her look bad. So you’re admitting she tried to sell exclusive stories whilst on charges for DV? It’s the news, I’m sure no one considered P Diddy or R Kelly’s feelings either when they were on trial. It’s how the news works. If either of those two hurt themselves no one would be blaming the media or police. The way she villainises Lewis and Caroline’s ex who had signed the NDA is also shocking. Her mum blames everyone for what happened even though she clearly states over and over that Caroline had very bad mental health and had tried to take her life numerous times when she was younger. It just seems hypocritical to say don’t criticise people publicly as they may take their life but then she continues to push hate against everyone involved including police officers who simply did their job.

 

[BugglyWuggly]

That solicitor was dodgy. I think the whole documentary completely backfired on those involved. They need to let her rest now.

 

[ahtisyourself]

In the previous documentary made a few years back (which I feel was a far more accurate portrayal of Caroline and her struggles) her mother admitted to fearing everytime Caroline rang her that it would be one of her friends saying she had taken her life, that is how fragile she was. She said this went on for years. So why she’s now suddenly side- stepped all of that and is on the complete warpath is baffling.

 

[tiktokuser]

I’ll be honest, I’m getting more and more angry about how the mother is going around everywhere and anywhere whitewashing Caroline’s many issues and minimising the DV that took place by Caroline against her ex-partner. It’s becoming malicious.

 

[Jennytea]

In the previous documentary made a few years back (which I feel was a far more accurate portrayal of Caroline and her struggles) her mother admitted to fearing everytime Caroline rang her that it would be one of her friends saying she had taken her life, that is how fragile she was. She said this went on for years. So why she’s now suddenly side- stepped all of that and is on the complete warpath is baffling.

It’s all a massive contradiction isn’t it. Yes it’s an awful situation! In reality though she was clearly a danger to herself (and others when emotional) so why were her agents, friends and family more concerned with selling exclusive stories than getting her sent to a clinic for real help? They had the means to do it unlike many other people who have to use the NHS. No one should be blamed but why isn’t that being discussed or explored more? Send her to the priory instead of getting a hypnotherapist to write a letter A lot of people who commit crimes are unfortunately mentally ill, that doesn’t mean they get excused. It’s not how the criminal justice system works. It’s also said throughout the CPS report that in all interviews with police Caroline stated she had no mental health problems and no history. Yet her mother said she was diagnosed as bipolar? If she wasn’t being transparent with police then she likely wasn’t being honest about other things either. Such a sad situation.

 

[Runningblonde]

There was another moment on the pod when she said she went to visit Caroline the weekend before she took her own life. She says as she drove out the gate she looked at her small stature and thought “how has a little girl like you gotten into this mess”. Again, minimising what happened and referring to 40 year old Caroline as a harmless little girl who this just happened to, like she didn’t cause it

Are you a mother? I'd say 100 percent of all loving mothers still see their child as their little girl. I think the vast majority of people on here are forgetting that this is want mothers do. Mother bear instinct comes in and mothers protect their own flesh and blood. And is it to the point of delusion? Probably. Do I blame her? No. Cause if Caroline was my daughter and my best friend I'd be protecting her, no matter.