Caroline Flack #2

[GalaxyGirl70]

I really feel for Lewis that this is being dragged over the coals yet again. He's in a happy relationship, is a father and this serves no purpose other than indulging Caroline's Mum in her melancholy.

I still think she hit him with a lamp, he woke up and was terrified enough to call 999 when he's a strapping bloke who towered over her. She must have been incandescent with rage/on a drug high/drunk and he feared for his life. Brushing that under the carpet because we all need to #bekind and Caroline had MH issues? duck off. Abuse is NEVER acceptable in any relationship, and shame on Carolines Mum for pushing that it is.

 

[FrostyChops]

The police reports say age didn't hit him with a lamp. The cps cans of with this at the first hearing.

She shouldn't have hit him.

 

[Lurkernomore]

Tbh the force of a phone whacking you probably did more damage than a lamp would! They also mentioned that the phone was cracked on one side from the force.

 

[mollyann]

Just watched Lou's interview and wonder why she wasn't in the documentary at all.Is about 50 minutes in she describes the last few days of Caroline's life and is very different to Christine's version .Molly spoke but Lou was for some reason completely ignored but was a really good friend to Caroline.I bet she feels hurt by the lack of honesty in some parts of this Apple documentary.

 

[forgotmyacc]

Just watched Lou's interview and wonder why she wasn't in the documentary at all.Is about 50 minutes in she describes the last few days of Caroline's life and is very different to Christine's version .Molly spoke but Lou was for some reason completely ignored but was a really good friend to Caroline.I bet she feels hurt by the lack of honesty in some parts of this Apple documentary.View attachment 3785099

It was notable that there was so many people in the first documentary that weren't in the second. Olly Murs was in the first and a few others.
I reckon they were approached and declined.

 

[TwooTwooTwitTwitTwoo]

I really feel for Lewis that this is being dragged over the coals yet again. He's in a happy relationship, is a father and this serves no purpose other than indulging Caroline's Mum in her melancholy.

I still think she hit him with a lamp, he woke up and was terrified enough to call 999 when he's a strapping bloke who towered over her. She must have been incandescent with rage/on a drug high/drunk and he feared for his life. Brushing that under the carpet because we all need to #bekind and Caroline had MH issues? duck off. Abuse is NEVER acceptable in any relationship, and shame on Carolines Mum for pushing that it is.

Whilst I agree with the general point of your post, some of what you say is inaccurate. They know it was a phone not the lamp. She didn’t have any drugs in her system. These details from factual reports were released publicly.

She may have been angry but the very clear driver behind this was a significant mental health condition for which she should have sought help.

The rest of this isn't in response to your post, it's just my general thoughts.

If you reach the point where you are behaving unacceptably (in this case by assaulting someone), you have a responsibility to seek help. I realise she was embarrassed and that there was probably a a long list of other reasons she didn't feel she could but I still think she had the capacity to admit she needed help.

I think Lewis probably did behave poorly in the relationship but that doesn't make what happened any less wrong. We don't know if there had been previous incidences of that type of thing. It would be a lot to cope with.

I don't think she was a 'bad' or unpleasant person. She just wasn't able to make healthy choices. If that incident hadn't occurred or hadn't become public, it would likely have been a short lived relationship anyway because she evidently wasn't in the right head space to be able to maintain a healthy relationship.

He did absolutely the right thing not coming back from his holiday. Again, that must have been an incredibly hard position for him to be in. I'm pleased he was able to prioritise his mental wellbeing at that point.

 

[workaholic99]

I’m confused about that post. Her bail conditions meant she couldn’t contact him. How could she be telling him to come back from holiday / sending him manipulative messages like “you’ll never see me again”? Unless she broke the conditions but I thought a big contributing factor to her death was that she couldn’t see or speak to Lewis.

 

[Spilttea]

She had a pattern for dating much younger, very attractive (debateable but she had a type) men who were financially unstable or not as wealthy as her. If the roles were reversed everyone would rightly be shouting about the power imbalance.

In many ways she herself came across immature, she wasn’t known for her broadcasting skills and courted the press to remain relevant. It’s tragic she took her own life but that’s what SHE did.

Considering how well known she was and how many celebs and broadcasters she worked with it’s a bit of a surprise that not many (have any?) come out with support for this version of events.

 

[LaBlonde]

Whilst I agree with the general point of your post, some of what you say is inaccurate. They know it was a phone not the lamp. She didn’t have any drugs in her system. These details from factual reports were released publicly.

She may have been angry but the very clear driver behind this was a significant mental health condition for which she should have sought help.

The rest of this isn't in response to your post, it's just my general thoughts.

If you reach the point where you are behaving unacceptably (in this case by assaulting someone), you have a responsibility to seek help. I realise she was embarrassed and that there was probably a a long list of other reasons she didn't feel she could but I still think she had the capacity to admit she needed help.

I think Lewis probably did behave poorly in the relationship but that doesn't make what happened any less wrong. We don't know if there had been previous incidences of that type of thing. It would be a lot to cope with.

I don't think she was a 'bad' or unpleasant person. She just wasn't able to make healthy choices. If that incident hadn't occurred or hadn't become public, it would likely have been a short lived relationship anyway because she evidently wasn't in the right head space to be able to maintain a healthy relationship.

He did absolutely the right thing not coming back from his holiday. Again, that must have been an incredibly hard position for him to be in. I'm pleased he was able to prioritise his mental wellbeing at that point.

this is honestly one of the most well balanced posts i’ve seen here. i feel empathy for both caroline and lewis tbh: lewis more so in this exact scenario because he was the victim of an actual physical assault but, like you say, i don’t think caroline at that time was in any kind of position to make healthy decisions.

lewis’ reaction to what happened, including taking the photo, is completely understandable and what caroline’s mum is saying is plainly unfair. but equally, i think caroline gets an incredibly harsh rep because she (posthumously and against her will) has become sort of the figurehead for the #bekind movement and gets the backlash of people finding that tiresome. it’s an unbelievably complicated situation but i end up feeling sorry for both of them: if that makes any sense.

caroline’s mother also obviously isn’t in a great mind frame either but so much of what she implied in the doc was just unfair. also a very strange contrast between her being protective of caroline’s memory and yet also sharing personal messages that she would presumably have been mortified over people hearing. let the woman rest.

 

[Phil Anne Throw Pee]

She had a pattern for dating much younger, very attractive (debateable but she had a type) men who were financially unstable or not as wealthy as her. If the roles were reversed everyone would rightly be shouting about the power imbalance.

In many ways she herself came across immature, she wasn’t known for her broadcasting skills and courted the press to remain relevant. It’s tragic she took her own life but that’s what SHE did.

Considering how well known she was and how many celebs and broadcasters she worked with it’s a bit of a surprise that not many (have any?) come out with support for this version of events.

The younger men weren't always financially unstable - certainly Prince Harry and Harry Styles are worth a few bob.

 

[Boogs]

Have to admit reading that post I think Lewis did exactly the right thing by turning off his phone and not allowing her to manipulate him. I don’t know whether he is an hole and it doesn’t matter really. He is not to blame for anything that happened. She invaded his privacy by snooping on his phone and then assaulted him when he was asleep.

She had a history of intense, volatile, relationships with younger men and had self harmed and taken overdoses after relationship breakdowns in the past. Yes, I feel compassion for someone who is struggling as much as she clearly was but that does not absolve her of responsibility and consequences for her choices and actions. She had the financial resources and support network to be able to get the help she needed which is more than lots of people in similar situations to her have.

 

[troutpout69]

I think it’s irrelevant whether she had more money than them! I don’t see what difference it makes tbh?

 

[ahtisyourself]

Has anyone else read Lewis’ thread? I couldn’t sleep and have gone down a rabbit hole now this new documentary has brought everything up again.

Anyway does anyone who had read it think this poster is Christine? She initially comes on and says she’s a friend of both Caroline and Lewis, I’m only half way through the thread but she says the same things Christine says in interviews and never backs any of her claims up, just keeps repeating the same “I know them you don’t”

It’s crazy that this person is using this as example of Lewis being cruel when he was just doing exactly what anyone would be advised to do in that situation, go clear your head, take some space for yourself and turn your phone off. They were also supposed to not have any contact with one another. It’s once again extremely manipulative of her to threaten him with suicide if he doesn’t answer her or come home.

 

[Boogs]

I think it’s irrelevant whether she had more money than them! I don’t see what difference it makes tbh?

It increases the power imbalance. Someone with a good career and money in a relationship with someone a lot younger with no money gives them a lot of power.

 

[Spilttea]

The younger men weren't always financially unstable - certainly Prince Harry and Harry Styles are worth a few bob.

Harry Styles was during Xfactor days when he was just another boyband (boy being the operative word) member in the contest, right before they hit the big time. I suspect the Prince Harry thing was blown all out of proportion and was more than likely a fling. Otherwise it would have followed her around for years like his other significant exes.

 

[Runningblonde]

You absolutely wouldn’t be saying this if a 40 year old famous man had awoken his 20 something girlfriend by smashing something against her head after suspecting she was cheating

Yeah I wouldn't and you know why? Women are forever seen as second class citizens/unequal to men etc. We have had to fight for the vote/equal pay etc etc. Violence against women is still prominent and whilst I have said many times it doesn't make it right....I can emphasise with her slightly. She had issues/was an imperfect human being and made a mistake and broke the law and as a result she took action and made a decision which means her life is over and her friends and family are heartbroken and their lives will never be the same again. God forbid a mother tells her opinion/her version of events and god forbid other women stick up for a woman now dead! 99 percent of mothers would side with their daughter and look for blame. It's part of the grieving process. I haven't once said that Lewis deserves social media abuse etc. None of it is right and I haven't said so! I have clearly stated it is my opinion and yes others will disagree and that's fine but people have to stop saying if the gender roles were reversed, it would be a different story because women constantly have to fight to be heard.

 

[Badirene]

I’m confused about that post. Her bail conditions meant she couldn’t contact him. How could she be telling him to come back from holiday / sending him manipulative messages like “you’ll never see me again”? Unless she broke the conditions but I thought a big contributing factor to her death was that she couldn’t see or speak to Lewis.

It's abuser 101, do what I want or I'll end my life.

If it was Charles Flack with a history of having relationships with a string of younger partners (including a literal teenager) that was charged with hitting a sleeping partner over the head, flipping a table while in police custody and having to be restrained we would be having domestic abuse organisations making statements about coercive control, how abusers use their mental health to control partners and how to spot the signs of abusive relationships in family and friends and how to get help. Instead we have #bekind and the actual people that offered support being blamed in the press by an enabling mother that has excuses for days.

I write all this as someone with Complex PTSD from an abusive background. My mental health is my responsibility, it's not up to everyone else to prop me up while I refuse real help.

 

[Sparkly23]

I never knew Caroline Flack but I do know some of the people in her circle with due to the work I do, and to not put too fine a point on it, it's a snakepit. A lot of drink and drugs(coke), they live and die for fame and Insta followers, genuinely think they are somehow better and superior in every way to 'civilians' (ie, non famous people) and spend their entire time when out socialising looking up stories about themselves and each other. They would sell each other out in a heartbeat for money/fame/stories in the press - this was (I think) the catastrophe of her life. They are all absolutely desperate to stay in a world where they are miserable, anxious and have no real, genuine friends. A real friend would have helped her out properly in that level of crisis (ie, pushed her to go into an institution) the press 'finding out' be dammned and/or, said 'look, mate, worse things happen at sea, and this WILL blow over' but instead they fed into her panic, because they themselves have bought into this daft notion that being toxically famous or a celeb is the be all and end all, when in reality, most people are having far nicer, happier lives than them.

 

[GrunkaLunka]

I would really love to see this factual reporting of her having no drugs in her system, can anyone referring to it please link? I am unable to find any evidence of this.

 

[sam0206]

I would really love to see this factual reporting of her having no drugs in her system, can anyone referring to it please link? I am unable to find any evidence of this.

I've had a quick look on Google and it's not saying anything definite. Only focusing on her trying to take her life the night before her hearing and then at her death there were no drugs or alcohol in her system which I guess would strengthen any argument that she was fully aware of what she was doing.
I'm not sure why there's nothing available as I'd imagine they would have drug tested her that night but don't know for sure. It probably is somewhere if someone looked hard enough. It can go either way though if it's not public, we can't assume she was or wasn't under the influence of drugs if there's no official report to say otherwise. At the end of the day though, I don't know why this is a thing people are focusing on. I think she was that kind of passionate, firey but also vulnerable person I think she would have reacted that way with or without drugs if she thought she was being cheated on.