Caroline Flack #2

[mindyaneb]

Watched it (insomnia) last night and her mum has a real issue with the truth.

Suicide is tragic. I lost two family members to it in the space of a month. But, whatever the reasons behind it, the only person responsible is the one who feels that is the only option.
I never really understood the love island thing, she was old enough to be their mother!

 

[thegirlwho2020]

Ive just finished the doc. I was a bit surprised to learn one it wasnt a lamp, and two, the blood was actually hers. I dont remember ever seeing any article stating it wasnt Lewis' - maybe I missed it. Whilst what she did was terrible, if she wasnt who she was, lets be honest, the case wouldve been dropped. We've seen it a million times over, women who are victims of DV, are not heard - most of the time, until they've been killed. And it all comes out then that they were failed by the police

Caroline was clearly fragile, clearly hanging on by a thread even before that happened I truly believe. As soon as the tide turned in the press, she'd never have coped

I don't really understand Lewis' post though. Nothing in the doc was a lie - he did get a text from another woman, she reacted, he called the police after she said her life would be over if he did (rightly so that he did btw) He said he didnt want her to be charged, but yet he sent the bloodbath photo to his friend who then sold it. Whats he got to clarify exactly? Thats the chain of events and even though its not his fault she killed herself, thats the truth and is why it led to her not wanting to be here anymore

 

[mindyaneb]

) He said he didnt want her to be charged, but yet he sent the bloodbath photo to his friend who then sold it. Whats he got to clarify exactly? Thats the chain of events and even though its not his fault she killed herself, thats the truth and is why it led to her not wanting to be here anymore

This did strike me as odd - I sent a pic to my friend of what ex did to me, purely because I knew he’d get my phone and delete it. It seems it was sent to justify him calling the police (which he did, correctly IMO)

I wonder what the message sent with the pic was

 

[troutpout69]

This did strike me as odd - I sent a pic to my friend of what ex did to me, purely because I knew he’d get my phone and delete it. It seems it was sent to justify him calling the police (which he did, correctly IMO)

I wonder what the message sent with the pic was

He sealed her fate by sending that pic. Bloody stupid thing to do!

 

[Linkylu]

I don’t find Lewis particularly likable or anything but he doesn’t have to be. He is guilty of being assaulted in his sleep and phoning the police in a moment of panic and concern and then regretting it and not cooperating. Why shouldn’t be come out now and have his say when he’s the one being abused and targeted and everyone is acting like Caroline was the victim and he the perp

imagine if the roles had been reversed. Everyone saying “it wasn’t a lamp!”, no it was her phone and he didn’t require medical help but why are people minimising what is still an assault

 

[troutpout69]

I wonder why she didn’t just plead guilty? She admitted it initially anyway. She could have saved herself the whole messy trial ahead of her, admitted she’d done it and released a statement saying how sorry she was etc.

 

[GrunkaLunka]

He sealed her fate by sending that pic. Bloody stupid thing to do!

She sealed her own fate by attacking someone with a weapon, while he was asleep and then killing herself. None of this was caused by the victim.

 

[forgotmyacc]

He sealed her fate by sending that pic. Bloody stupid thing to do!

That's a very unfair thing to say.
He is not responsible for what happened. Lewis was the victim here.
Who knows what we would do in the heat of the moment? Maybe he had been telling his friend for a couple of months that she was unstable and the friend brushed it off.
Maybe he sent the picture as evidence like ... " look, look what she is capable of "
I highly doubt he sent it to his mate and said ... here sell this to the press.

We'll never know why. But to say he sealed her fate is unfair.

 

[ahtisyourself]

He sealed her fate by sending that pic. Bloody stupid thing to do!

Would you say that if the genders were reversed?

 

[troutpout69]

Would you say that if the genders were reversed?

Yes I would if a female sent a pic to a friend of a boyfriend’s blood all over the bed who’d been self harming. Knowing the press interest in the case and that he didn’t want to press charges, he had no business stirring things up and sending a pic to someone.

 

[VeniVidiVicki]

Yes I would if a female sent a pic to a friend of a boyfriend’s blood all over the bed who’d been self harming. Knowing the press interest in the case and that he didn’t want to press charges, he had no business stirring things up and sending a pic to someone.

you don’t know when he sent it.

also can we stop with the ‘he didn’t require medical treatment. He was treated at the scene by paramedics. Christine is distorting the facts.

 

[thegirlwho2020]

you don’t know when he sent it.

also can we stop with the ‘he didn’t require medical treatment. He was treated at the scene by paramedics. Christine is distorting the facts.

In the documentary it was confirmed he received no medical treatment though? It was in the police reports

 

[GrunkaLunka]

In the documentary it was confirmed he received no medical treatment though? It was in the police reports

Why do you think this is relevant? Do you think the fact that he declined treatment makes it less of a crime? There was a visible head wound. I genuinely don't understand your point.

 

[thegirlwho2020]

Why do you think this is relevant? Do you think the fact that he declined treatment makes it less of a crime? There was a visible head wound. I genuinely don't understand your point.

Not at all, I literally said in my previous post he was right to call the police. Im just saying he didnt have medical treatment, because he didnt

 

[tiktokuser]

Personally I find the whole documentary to be distasteful. Caroline was unfortunately unwell and tragically the illness won in the end. The documentary will neither change that nor help anyone revisiting what happened. The poor woman should be left to rest in peace.

I can of course completely understand where her mother is coming from, but her mother needs to understand her daughter was not well and none of what happened can or should be blamed on other people, which is what comes across strongly to me in the documentary: i.e. everyone is to blame except for Caroline herself.

This documentary has, once again, initiated a witch hunt against her ex-partner and it can even be seen by some of the replies here that he is again incorrectly seen as the cause, or part of the cause, of what happened to Caroline. This is a false narrative. He was a victim.

As others have said. If the genders were reversed, the narrative would have been totally different.

 

[weelyns]

Her mum wanted her to be treated as special. The CPS didn’t make an example of her, they treated her like anyone else who there was watertight evidence of had assaulted someone else and denied it.

Caroline didn’t deny it though - her police statement on the night apparently shows she admitted she did it and there was no excuse for it. The prosecution also described Lewis’s injuries as significant when it was pretty much a nick on the head that didn’t need any treatment (his refusal notwithstanding). At the time, there was no evidence to suggest it was anything other than a drunken argument that had escalated out of hand. Given her mental health issues (which were apparent from the self-harm/suicide attempt that night) a caution would have been an appropriate response.

I think the ‘Not Guilty’ plea at the magistrate’s hearing was to do with the specifics and level of the charges rather than an attempt to deny any wrongdoing at all.

 

[ahtisyourself]

Maybe their decision to prosecute wasn’t just based on his injury alone. Their body cam footage would have shown her as completely out of control, irate, aggressive and flipping tables in custody. There is a lot more to consider than just the initial throwing of the phone, which she admitted to by saying she whacked him round the head. I’m sure the police were very concerned for what they witnessed that night and that a lot of what they had on body cam is also reasons for the charges persisting. There is a reason Caroline was completely fearful of that footage getting out.

 

[banf83]

I haven’t watched the doc nor do I intend to. I did read today that her mum said;

In the new documentary Caroline's mum Christine is keen to ensure people realise it was a "myth" a lamp was ever involved in the altercation.

I think her mum is trying to minimise what her daughter done. Whether it was her hand, phone, lamp, desk fan is irrelevant. She still struck him when he was asleep.

Then, Caroline’s lawyer Paul Morris then takes up the story: “Caroline had found out that there were messages from a third party on the phone. She was upset. She was holding on to the phone. It was the confirmation of her worst fears, and she kept it in her hand, and with that, she's trying to wake Lewis up. “It's a firm gesture, but the phone's in the hand.

Again more minimising what she done. Whacking him over the head to the point he has an open wound is not trying to wake someone or a firm gesture imo and whether or not these were her worst fears, she shouldn’t have hit him over the head with a phone.

I think it’s time she is allowed to rest in peace. Nothing is going to change. The CPS are standing by their decision. It’s been over 5 years now. Is it sad she took her own life, absolutely, but doesn’t take away the fact she committed a crime.

 

[LadyLockdown]

I'm the same, haven't watched anything and really only know what I do from reading here and on social media etc but what seems to come up quite a lot, is that Caroline's mother isn't able to let go of what happened and / or acknowledge Caroliine's hand in it, which makes me think that perhaps that's partly why Caroline had such a hard time accepting responsibility for things, because it was a learned behaviour from her mother; an "it's always someone else's fault" kind of mindset if you will.
And if that were the case, and her mother has, at some point, recognised her role in this, it would then make some sense to me as to why she continues to doggedly pursue this, because she feels perhaps, some degree of responsibility herself?

 

[banf83]

I'm the same, haven't watched anything and really only know what I do from reading here and on social media etc but what seems to come up quite a lot, is that Caroline's mother isn't able to let go of what happened and / or acknowledge Caroliine's hand in it, which makes me think that perhaps that's partly why Caroline had such a hard time accepting responsibility for things, because it was a learned behaviour from her mother; an "it's always someone else's fault" kind of mindset if you will.
And if that were the case, and her mother has, at some point, recognised her role in this, it would then make some sense to me as to why she continues to doggedly pursue this, because she feels perhaps, some degree of responsibility herself?

Not that I think it would have made any difference in the outcome, but I have always been curious as to why her mum or her siblings weren’t staying with her. Maybe they were unaware but (I might be wrong) the mum has mentioned before that Caroline had previous suicide attempts. I remember an article that came out, was it Lou or Mollie saying something along the lines of “why was it left to her friends, where were her family” before anyone comes at me, I do believe it would have happened irrelevant of who was staying with her, she would always have found away if she had her mind set on it and people can’t put their lives on hold unfortunately. But maybe this factors into feeling somewhat guilty over things.