I haven’t said I want no deal Brexit or that it will be good for the UK economy. In earlier posts I said leaving the EU would be awful for our economy in the short term. You’re clearly very interested and read on the subject, but seems like you get a red mist and view opposing opinions in stereotype boxes and it feels like I’m being misrepresented just so you can strike off your points of argument.
I saw someone else say this. Can I ask why?
I know what you mean, Cameron has some of the blame and could have defused the situation had he been more effective. But my gripes with B&B are more over creating the situation that has led to where we are. So many countries are having the kind of conflicts we are because of these things building up imo.
Yep, its totally paralysed the government and will do for a long time.
The change in right wing ideaology has nothing to do with the EU, it’s a wave that’s been seen throughout the world. We have immigrants from all nations yet you blame the EU for that? It is 100% to do with propaganda, that’s what the entire VoteLeave was based on. Dominic Cummings saw the potential to prey upon people’s ignorance with the EU “Take back control” we have control, as well as a say in the EU and how’s its run.Hi, yes of course. My main issue is political control. When the EU was created is was primarily focussed on economic trade and I think that the net benefit of gloabisation has been achieved to the member states. I am under no illusion that leaving the EU will cause short term economic problems. But economic booms and slumps are easier to rectify than cultural and political shifts.
The political influence in the EU - particularly globalISM (not globalisation) and free movement of people is allowing far right populists to gain traction as evidenced throughout Europe. It is dangerous, particularly as the EU is becoming fractured. It will result in far right political parties gaining more than a toe hold in power through democratic representation. The biggest threat of that is of course that so much power is held in the hands of so few. My opinion - and of course your mileage may vary - is that the political clout of the EU needs to be lessened. I cannot see an extreme political party gaining power in the UK as a sovereign nation before I can see it getting significant representation in The EU.
i just want to add that I appreciate that Brexit brings out a passionate response in people; we all get frustrated at those on the other side of the argument that cannot see or agree with our POV. However a condescending tone of implying stupidity and buying propaganda is rarely helpful to your cause, just causes barriers to dialogue and debate, hence gridlock ?
That’s where I think we differ - what I have a real concern over is some of the more nefarious groups throughout the EU joining forces and gaining a central ‘legitimste’ power base in Brussels. MEPs easier to elect in a one to one basis. It’s literally gaining momentum day on day. We’ve already seen Geert Wilders banding with Tommy Robinson; the populist parties being celebrated. It’s not going away. In individual countries the power effect is diffused - a right wing party will have to go some to defeat Lab or Con in FPTP to gain control. The most they can do is be a fringe pressure group.
Just to reiterate my point - my argument isn’t that Brexit will reduce groups in size but diffuse their power gains.
