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8 week old baby and you’re completely isolated in a foreign country with no family around and a dad who only rocks up every 2-3 days for a night … horrendous situation , poor girl . Production should not have made her do that , even if it meant not having Nathan for a season . He’s not even that good TV and I doubt he’ll be back after his racist remarks !
 
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8 week old baby and you’re completely isolated in a foreign country with no family around and a dad who only rocks up every 2-3 days for a night … horrendous situation , poor girl . Production should not have made her do that , even if it meant not having Nathan for a season . He’s not even that good TV and I doubt he’ll be back after his racist remarks !
I’ve said this so many times watching this season, it’s awful really.
I do think that the below deck franchises generally put too much focus on returning cast members even though they’re actually not that great tv rather than bringing in new faces and fresh blood.
 
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I have a feeling we’re not done with Gen drama yet. Poster on Reddit saying Luke might have to return because ‘Norma’ can’t find a replacement deckhand. Other Redditor spotted Max from seasons-past in some background scene from a future episode. Just keep Kizzy & Solene away, s’il vous plait.
 
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I have a feeling we’re not done with Gen drama yet. Poster on Reddit saying Luke might have to return because ‘Norma’ can’t find a replacement deckhand. Other Redditor spotted Max from seasons-past in some background scene from a future episode. Just keep Kizzy & Solene away, s’il vous plait.
Max. Nathan was gonna kill him last time
 
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I have a feeling we’re not done with Gen drama yet. Poster on Reddit saying Luke might have to return because ‘Norma’ can’t find a replacement deckhand. Other Redditor spotted Max from seasons-past in some background scene from a future episode. Just keep Kizzy & Solene away, s’il vous plait.
Solene is lazy and only there for 'tv'
 
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8 week old baby and you’re completely isolated in a foreign country with no family around and a dad who only rocks up every 2-3 days for a night … horrendous situation , poor girl . Production should not have made her do that , even if it meant not having Nathan for a season . He’s not even that good TV and I doubt he’ll be back after his racist remarks !
No amount of manipulation from a tv company would make me do that. Unless they handcuffed and dragged her there, she could've said no, she knows the score.
I don't feel sorry for her, she had a choice and made the wrong one.
 
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No amount of manipulation from a tv company would make me do that. Unless they handcuffed and dragged her there, she could've said no, she knows the score.
I don't feel sorry for her, she had a choice and made the wrong one.
Well , honestly I think that’s a bit of an unsympathetic view and rather a callous way to look at it . She likely made the choice pretty selflessly as well as I’m sure Nathan really wanted to film the show but didn’t want to leave her or the baby , production really wanted him there as they love a returning face and wanted to cash in on the rift he has with Joe , and so I’m sure she was getting pressure from all angles to do this . She chose poorly , yes , but likely because she was misinformed and also pressurised by a lot of people to do it .

I disagree also that she knows the score . She probably agreed to do this wayyyy before she had the baby . It’s her first - she likely had no idea what it would be like , what an emotional rollercoaster postpartum is and how isolating it can be when you have your village around you - let alone when you’re abroad , alone and away from everyone you love . 8 weeks post having a baby is such a fragile time and it’s hard to appreciate that unless you’ve actually been there .

It’s a pretty black and white view to go “well you made the call , boohoo , suck it up” .
 
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Well , honestly I think that’s a bit of an unsympathetic view and rather a callous way to look at it . She likely made the choice pretty selflessly as well as I’m sure Nathan really wanted to film the show but didn’t want to leave her or the baby , production really wanted him there as they love a returning face and wanted to cash in on the rift he has with Joe , and so I’m sure she was getting pressure from all angles to do this . She chose poorly , yes , but likely because she was misinformed and also pressurised by a lot of people to do it .

I disagree also that she knows the score . She probably agreed to do this wayyyy before she had the baby . It’s her first - she likely had no idea what it would be like , what an emotional rollercoaster postpartum is and how isolating it can be when you have your village around you - let alone when you’re abroad , alone and away from everyone you love . 8 weeks post having a baby is such a fragile time and it’s hard to appreciate that unless you’ve actually been there .

It’s a pretty black and white view to go “well you made the call , boohoo , suck it up” .
Sorry, can't agree. I've turned down lucrative work when it seemed obvious the relocation wouldn't align with family obligations. Anyway, I've always suspected Nathan was more interested in Australian residency than Gael.
 
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Sorry, can't agree. I've turned down lucrative work when it seemed obvious the relocation wouldn't align with family obligations. Anyway, I've always suspected Nathan was more interested in Australian residency than Gael.
Yes I’m sure your situation is completely comparable to Gael’s 🤣 but very happy to not be on the same page with someone who has no sympathy for a brand new mum in a difficult situation !

But honestly I do agree with you about Nathan and his intentions . He’s a walking red flag !
 
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No amount of manipulation from a tv company would make me do that. Unless they handcuffed and dragged her there, she could've said no, she knows the score.
I don't feel sorry for her, she had a choice and made the wrong one.
I would feel sorry for anyone having a baby with Nathan.
 
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Seriously, Gael should never have gone to Europe alongside this charter, she should've stayed at home where she had family support if she was finding things so difficult.
She's done yachting, she knows the workload and teamwork required, and to keep piling emotional pressure on Nathan to be away from the boat is wrong, I guarantee a much bigger issue would be made of it if a male was manipulating a female in the same way.
I'm not Nathan's biggest fan at all, but Gael is not coming off well here at all.
Can’t see why she didn’t use the opportunity to fly to Ireland spend time with Nathan family instead of being in Croatia.
 
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I don’t believe Gael is as innocent in all of this as it seems - she was begging for screen time last season too calling all the time and being “the supportive ex girlfriend” before turning up to “save the day” on that charter. I do think she seems like a nice person, but she seems too “perfect”, almost Stepford like, and so I’m sure she just presumed she could carry on with this perfect facade for another season but obviously didn’t bank on how having a newborn baby in tow might actually be quite difficult.

If she wasn’t prioritising her own TV career, she would have stayed at home and let Nathan get on with his job like any normal mother would.
 
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Well , honestly I think that’s a bit of an unsympathetic view and rather a callous way to look at it . She likely made the choice pretty selflessly as well as I’m sure Nathan really wanted to film the show but didn’t want to leave her or the baby , production really wanted him there as they love a returning face and wanted to cash in on the rift he has with Joe , and so I’m sure she was getting pressure from all angles to do this . She chose poorly , yes , but likely because she was misinformed and also pressurised by a lot of people to do it .

I disagree also that she knows the score . She probably agreed to do this wayyyy before she had the baby . It’s her first - she likely had no idea what it would be like , what an emotional rollercoaster postpartum is and how isolating it can be when you have your village around you - let alone when you’re abroad , alone and away from everyone you love . 8 weeks post having a baby is such a fragile time and it’s hard to appreciate that unless you’ve actually been there .

It’s a pretty black and white view to go “well you made the call , boohoo , suck it up” .
I know it's unsympathetic, I literally said I have no sympathy.
She knows the score as in how many hours are required to work on a super yacht and the lifestyle that comes with it, and how intense a six-week condensed season is. It wasn't her first rodeo by any means, nor Nathan's.
If she signed up while pregnant, she probably should have said "I'd like to do it but I don't know what my life as a parent wIl look like so I can't make a firm decision right now".
Agreeing to stay in a hotel for up to two months, away from all other familial support, starting when that baby is less than ten weeks old is absolute madness. She's not a child and didn't previously appear to be stupid, but I clearly read that wrong. I agree that no-oke probably realises the impact having a new born has on your life, your body, your hormones and your mental health, so why not err on the side of caution and decide to stay close to a stable support network?
And if she did it because Nathan wanted to be involved, and pressure was coming from him, then he was being selfish in putting his own wants and needs ahead of those of his newborn child, and for me that would've been enough of a red flag on its own to say "You know what, no thank you."
So no, I don't feel sorry for Gael or Nathan, I feel sorry for the baby, whose welfare I seem to have thought about, sadly, far more than either of his parents.
 
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I know it's unsympathetic, I literally said I have no sympathy.
She knows the score as in how many hours are required to work on a super yacht and the lifestyle that comes with it, and how intense a six-week condensed season is. It wasn't her first rodeo by any means, nor Nathan's.
If she signed up while pregnant, she probably should have said "I'd like to do it but I don't know what my life as a parent wIl look like so I can't make a firm decision right now".
Agreeing to stay in a hotel for up to two months, away from all other familial support, starting when that baby is less than ten weeks old is absolute madness. She's not a child and didn't previously appear to be stupid, but I clearly read that wrong. I agree that no-oke probably realises the impact having a new born has on your life, your body, your hormones and your mental health, so why not err on the side of caution and decide to stay close to a stable support network?
And if she did it because Nathan wanted to be involved, and pressure was coming from him, then he was being selfish in putting his own wants and needs ahead of those of his newborn child, and for me that would've been enough of a red flag on its own to say "You know what, no thank you."
So no, I don't feel sorry for Gael or Nathan, I feel sorry for the baby, whose welfare I seem to have thought about, sadly, far more than either of his parents.
Hindsight is 20/20 and I’m sure she agrees with you now that it was a daft decision , particularly as they don’t appear to be together anymore . But you can think she made a poor choice and also feel sorry for her as a new mum isolated from everyone and everything she knows .

my nan for example smoked 40 cigarettes a day since she was 16 , but that didn’t mean we weren’t sympathetic when she was diagnosed with terminal lung cancer . We didn’t just leave her dying in the hospice going “oh sorry nan but you’ve made your bed and you must lie in it . You chose so smoke so I don’t feel sorry for you while the cancer ravages your body”

my point is that I’ll never not feel sorry for a new mum in distress . No matter if it was her decision or not . Likely she was highly pressurised into making the decision in the first place but even if she wasn’t I still think she deserves an ounce of compassion . Maybe I’m all mushy because I am a mum and currently pregnant but I do feel for her
 
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God knows why they would want to bring Nathan back for a third time anyway - he’s a tit bosun, aggressive, weak leader, generally unlikeable, and a thick racist to boot.

Hardly a “fan favourite”. Him and Gael can get in the bin - the season would be so much better without either of them
 
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Hindsight is 20/20 and I’m sure she agrees with you now that it was a daft decision , particularly as they don’t appear to be together anymore . But you can think she made a poor choice and also feel sorry for her as a new mum isolated from everyone and everything she knows .

my nan for example smoked 40 cigarettes a day since she was 16 , but that didn’t mean we weren’t sympathetic when she was diagnosed with terminal lung cancer . We didn’t just leave her dying in the hospice going “oh sorry nan but you’ve made your bed and you must lie in it . You chose so smoke so I don’t feel sorry for you while the cancer ravages your body”

my point is that I’ll never not feel sorry for a new mum in distress . No matter if it was her decision or not . Likely she was highly pressurised into making the decision in the first place but even if she wasn’t I still think she deserves an ounce of compassion . Maybe I’m all mushy because I am a mum and currently pregnant but I do feel for her
I mean, being a smoker and getting cancer isn't really a comparable situation, the smoking may not have even been the cause, and I would always sympathise with someone who had a life-threatening illness.
I'd have sympathy for Gael if she was a new mom who'd had to leave family behind to travel with a partner in the military to some far away place; there's less of a choice, but this is reality TV. Seems like they both lost perspective here.
I'm not criticising you for being sympathetic, it's great that you are, but for me, there's too much selfish choice in this situation for my empathy.
 
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