Prodcon21
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She didn’t say that now did she?Would you want to live on bread, brand and porridge oats???
She didn’t say that now did she?Would you want to live on bread, brand and porridge oats???
Throughout my adult life I’ve been involved in pastoral care in schools then worked in debt advice and currently work for the NHS in safeguarding.haydot. Completely agree. I can’t beleive how far removed some people are from being able to see that if you have no money even finding £5 to buy a bag/tin of lentils and some tomatoes and pasta to make a healthy nutritious dish. Let alone have the cash to pay the electric/gas bill.
I’m grateful every day that we can feed our own children and clothe them and have choice.
That tends to steer you into the questionable world of eugenics.That mostly makes me wonder how so many parents thought it was a good idea to bring children into the world that they couldn't afford to feed.
You could go even further. Prior to the milk snatcher days, a child could get a small bottle of milk free at school, and a free cooked school meal. Mum got the sole right to the child benefit.At least during the school year kids are being seen daily, someone can hopefully tell if there’s a problem, but during the summer holidays they can go weeks without seeing anyone.
I could easily believe that article
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If it were not for Corbyn, I would say vote Labour, and that is the only real cure in the long term. Maybe Swinson might concentrate on this also. But certainly not the Tories, who seem to thrive on a lack of social housing, foodbanks and homelessness.What's the answer? What needs done to improve things? I'm on a low budget and can agree with you. Kids do need nutrients and possibly I was thinking in the moment of a child needing their tummy full. That something is better than nothing. Changes need go happen for sure! It's awful that kids aren't getting what they need and in an ideal world they should be. But it's not and a full tummy is better than hunger was my point. It shouldn't be happening but clearly is.
If you are poor, saving is a pipe dream.I don't want to blame anyone, but it seems like saving money for bad times is just not a thought for many people. So many I know even on good wages live hand to mouth and it's crazy as jobs have never been so insecure. Before I blow money on luxury's I have at least two years worth of savings in the bank to keep me going.
The government encourages not saving as if you saved and lost your job you wouldn't get any housing benefit or council tax benefit.
Not that I believe the BBC and think they only have an agenda.
spot onJust putting some scenarios out there
If you dont live in a city with an abundance of shops and you dont have a car you go to your nearest if its Coop its expensive.
Tesco metro has less range than big Tesco and costs more than out if town supermarket people drive to they have a e tier price structure.
We have Tesco Express 5mins walk we go a lot but its expensive.
Even in a city I have worked many enough areas and estates I have seen poverty 1st hand despite not living in that area.
1 area i worked in had small stretch high street, bouncer in the chemist door and post office even had security.
The giro day we use call it times were busy I worked for a food retailer so I used see what people brought.
When they get paid its live like kings but as the weeks went on the trolley would become less.
I have seen low income families feed their kids on frozen convenience foods and ready meals.
Some claim junk food is is cheaper and in some cases it is.
Many dont seem have any knowledge of cooking from scratch budgeting and making food last especially if they in cycle if teen motherhood.
I know freinds who split and their dads wont pay maintainance.
Just watching news recently about steelworks scared me we have whole towns relying on 1 unreliable employer.
Often council estates have 1 or 2 shops expensive prices.
Public transport outside of London or least where I live is extortionate so harder to shop around.
Foodbanks have increased last 10years i read about people walking 8miles to their nearest foodbank.
I believe you need be refered with voucher from nhs/ council you can just rock up abd get free food which I think most people think happens.
The trash papers like Daily Mail love a article about low income families blowing their money.
The threshold free school meals now is very low.
Which sadly means theres a group in the middle that go hungry.
Why should infants get free and juniors dont its bonkers ifs 1 good thing lib dems pushed for.
School meals here for primary junior child are £2.40 a day x20days/month is £45.60 thats some families weekly grocery budget.
Child benefit is around that for children that are not 1st born.
The threshold tax credits these days is quite low I think 24k dont quote me on it.
Universal credits also hit some families hard.
Lol feel your pain 4 kids here and teen eats like an adult.
Its battle keep fruit bowl full.
Crisps , cakes and chocolate dont last.
Resorted doing a few things buying less fruit juice and fizzy drinks and getting varieties squash and flavoured waters.
Rationing and hiding treats cant quite manage that with lollies.
Buying boring snacks like yogurts/ raisins/ carrot sticks/breadsticks and biscuits jot fancy ones vakue cookies bourbans and digestive if they hungry they will eat them
Tinned or frozen fruit as backups when fresh run out.
Milk i struggle with as they snack on cereal.
Spent £45 lidls today unsure how long will lasts.
Can totally see how change circumstances.
Many years ago we had job loss for 6 or 7 weeks over the summer it was very hard.
Trying get any sorts benefits jsa and housing took weeks as does tax credits.
We were offered foodbank vouchers but dident take them up on it.
Instead i remember one month we went to big tesco and did massive nearly all value shop for 60 quid and that lasted the entire month. We picked free blackberries they all out now and regularly nightly looked at reductions.
Theres much less value lines in the main supermarkets now than used to be abd their prices crept up.
I made loads from scratch we got buy.
Now we still do shop around home bargains,b&m , Iceland aldis liidls local market but not everyone can easily shop around transport and time.
I regularly donate to foodbanks.
Infleuencers go on about meat free sometimes its not a choice.
Hardly any of them cool from scratch/budget and buy lots convenience.
I am trying do more beans and lentil recipes.From what I’ve heard, food prices in Australia are high. Have a relative there, and have spoken to Australian shoppers in the local Lidl who thought food here was much cheaper. I buy pasta either at Aldi or Lidl, Lidl does spaghetti for 20p a pack, and a Turkish supermarket near me does packs of three, in different shapes, for a pound. They also do tins of different beans at three for a pound. Lidl does four tins of baked beans for very little, just over a pound. I doctor my baked beans and add vinegar, hot sauce, water and butter. I have
a baked bean spaghetti recipe, taken from the Guardian a few years ago. It was made for someone’s midwife mother after she delivered a baby and she passed it down through her family. Easy cheap comfort food. Another easy cheap recipe is Nigella lawson’s marmite spaghetti.
Yeah I agree, I think uniforms are a bit ridiculous now. When I was in school, my school had a very casual uniform of a tshirt and jumper with the school logo, and then any black trousers or shoes (as long as they were fully black). PE kit was basically wear what you want/own within reason (so like no strappy tops...most people just wore trackies/shorts and any plain colour tshirt they owned). It meant a lot of people would keep their older sibling's hand-me-downs in terms of tops/jumpers. Now there's so many more rules and regulations on uniforms, and it seems a lot are trying to make it 'smarter'...which I understand to a degree, but it means you have to buy practically everything via the school (even PE kits which a lot of schools require to have logos on) and can't just buy trousers/skirts from somewhere cheap, plus stuff like the blazers is expensive and I imagine uncomfortable at times.Secondary school uniform is extortionate. My daughters blazer is over £50 and the jumpers £30.
My son went to a grammar school and the three pe kits plus lab wear and summer and winter blazers and no bursary or funding. There is a reason that only certain demographics access this kind of education.
We do ok but I know we are only a few pay packets away from a crisis. So I don't judge people for struggling.
School holidays are an expensive time. You think about not only the extra food but also that’s traditionally a time for new uniform and schools shoes. I think uniform should be got rid of. If you have a tiny budget for everything and have to pay for school uniform then that budget for day to day clothing is greatly decreased. Kids can still tell who’s in the finest John Lewis/M&S uniform or the Aldi budget range. So if the clothing was from Gucci or Primark the ones who will say something will say it whether it’s about uniform or clothing.
If it meant having a full tummy then I'd have to. My point is filling a hungry tummy. Surely that's better than hunger? I'm not saying it's ideal far from it but if the altenative is hunger then yes. It was a couple of examples. That possibly fuel prices arent helping either, none of which affect Mrs Meldrum.Would you want to live on bread, brand and porridge oats???
You sound very sensible.I think Tesco also does the free fruit for children while you are shopping. I think I saw it on a MoD story. Lots of people don’t seem to know how to cook, and I am thankful that I learned a bit from my mother and then became interested in cooking later on. Bills are crippling now, especially if there is only one
adult in the family. Council tax discount for one adult occupier is only 25% and it should be 50%. Why should a house full of adults, meaning three plus, pay the same as two adults. I don’t like spending a lot of money on food. I’d rather spend the money on culture or travel. I eat a lot of beans, and lentils. Jack Monroe has recently published a cookbook on how to make meals from tinned food and has donated copies to food banks. She also has a free website with the recipes.
I also do think it’s easier to live somewhere in a city where you can find many different shops and markets to use. I go to Rye Lane in Peckham for the multitude of different food stores, inc. a Chinese supermarket and African and Asian supermarkets, and on street fruit and vegetable vendors. I buy three packs of pita bread for a pound and freeze them. I stuff them with vegetables and cheese or eggs. I also buy a lot if frIzen vegetables and use them in casseroles.
A weeks free hello fresh come in handy.This is why I’m so infuriated by these influencers ( mummy floggers) they are give so much free and also paid extortionate amounts of money to advertise stuff yet constantly moan! It’s very easy to think people shouldn’t have kids if they can’t afford them abdbin some cases it’s true! However for a lot of people who are just about getting by school holidays push them just over tipping point. Mrs Meldrum turning up to the food bank empty handed I would hate to live in a world where anyone would think we are not all responsible for little ones. I give what I can, I’m lucky, my child has never gone hungry, had always had a secure home, so if I can help in anyway for those that don’t I will.
Expecting people to take responsibility for feeding their own children is a long way away from forced sterilisation and genetic engineering.That tends to steer you into the questionable world of eugenics.
No no no no. You don't escape that easily. You wrote:Expecting people to take responsibility for feeding their own children is a long way away from forced sterilisation and genetic engineering.
Side note: suggesting somebody is pro-eugenics is really quite offensive. Reminds me a bit of a guy in a lift in a YouTube video talking about the KKK.
If you rescind that remark, so will I. Otherwise, my observation stands. FWIW, I think eugenics are dangerous. 1930s Germany was not the only state to visit this: see also, for instance, the ideas in Virginia, USAThat mostly makes me wonder how so many parents thought it was a good idea to bring children into the world that they couldn't afford to feed.
"no no no"?! seriously?!No no no no. You don't escape that easily. You wrote:
If you rescind that remark, so will I. Otherwise, my observation stands. FWIW, I think eugenics are dangerous. 1930s Germany was not the only state to visit this: see also, for instance, the ideas in Virginia, USA
I have said that bills are crippling ppl I have said I didn't consider all factors too. It's why we discuss things to gain a full view of situations. It's ignorance to not accept others views and possibly change your own when you have considered new and all the information. I'm prepared to accept it's not black and white.I think the level of ignorance displayed on this thread is crazy.
A large proportion of people who use food banks do so due to changes in benefits, delays in receiving benefits or benefits being cut or stopped.
Other people suffer through things like being made redundant, losing a job, zero hours contracts, the household earner dying, an illness in the family, looking after children that aren’t biologically yours for other family members. A large household expenditure that wipes out your excess cash.
Summer holidays may also bring increased childcare costs for a lot of families, expenditures on new school uniforms etc.
If you already struggle month to month and work cash in hand while your kids are in school then over the summer that may not be an option. So you’re short on money and have extra meals to account for over the week.
It’s all well and good saying ‘you can get xyz from Aldi for £40’ but if after you’ve paid your essentials your in the red then where is that £40 coming from?
Regardless of whose to blame the reality is that there are children going hungry over the holidays.
You're right some don't. I'm not rich. I don't have holidays etc those are luxuries. But I'm fortunate to be able( albeit on a budget to feed my kids) my boys are in a dentist because it's free atm. Me and my hubby aren't too expensive. So I understand struggle too. I've tried to articulate my point and not sure now what else I can say.Throughout my adult life I’ve been involved in pastoral care in schools then worked in debt advice and currently work for the NHS in safeguarding.
Some people are very sheltered an through their own privilege cannot understand the plight of others.
I’ve actually helped a lady this week when needed urgent dental work but couldn’t afford the costs because this payday she needs her spare cash for school uniforms etc for the kids so she was saying that her dental work would have to wait until September but she was in agony.
Some people don’t know they’re born