Ashley Cain #11 All about the sas, unlike Saf who calls people..

[Ekkwhine]

Was about the say the same. It felt like the more distressing the video, the more they shared to “spread awareness”. No child should have their final weeks shared like that. Ever. I feel guilty that I watched some of it. Spreading awareness shouldn’t include a dying babies final weeks as that spreads nothing but loss of dignity. Those videos should have stayed private.

I’m a palliative nurse and we strive for peace and dignity, for a “good” passing. Those videos absolutely broke my heart, you could see poor A was totally done fighting. I know we all do things differently and have different views etc but if god forbid that was my baby, or even a patient, I would recommend she be dosed up on pain meds and lay in bed with her parents quietly. It was torturous to see.

 

[Cov1989]

the pair of them have turned the loss of their daughter into a money making scheme. It’s sickening.

 

[Olgivy]

Recap

• Saf went along to Pride Of Britain. And stayed in a pricey hotel. It has still not been confirmed whether she was just in the audience, or whether she actually got an award for anything. At this point, it’s looking likely that she was just in the audience.
• Looking at the footage posted so far from the event, Saf was awkward, self conscious (had her hand on her hip a LOT), was incoherent and kept talking about Azaylia. It could be argued that she didn’t really understand the purpose of the event.
• Saf uploaded images from the night on her IG feed, but Ash has not acknowledged Saf’s appearance at Pride of Britain. He has not clicked “like”, or commented on her photos from the night. He also hasn’t mentioned it on his wall, or on his stories.
• However, he did upload 10 photos of him & Azaylia. Saf was not in any of these pictures.
• Saf has now posted a giveaway to grow her audience. It is very obvious that she is trying very hard to position herself as an influencer. Some of the entrants commented that the organiser she is collaborating with, was contacting them asking them for card details. I can only assume that this wasn’t the organiser, but in actual fact, impersonators. Unfortunately, this is very common with giveaways like this on Instagram. But, it does raise a lot of questions about Saf’s personal ethics, integrity, capacity for risk assessment and the resulting conflict of interest.
• The tabloids have now released the news that Ashley Cain will be on the next “Celebrity SAS” TV show. This news does bring into question, his activities up until this point. Were these challenges really an audition reel? Is this what Ashley has been working on when he said “ he has been working to put food on the table?” He has been hinting that he has needed to “build relationships” but it isn’t clear how that would benefit poorly children, which is what he claims the foundation is there to do. With his recent visit to a publicity coach, a marketing agency running the socials, along with Saf being represented by an influencer agency, it could be argued that the real goal is to build a personal brand and become famous, rather than raise awareness about childhood cancer.
• The foundation posted an update about the the 20K donation to Brum Hospital, and what it will be spent on. It will be used to purchase a machine, but it is not the “cell sorter” machine the doctor was asking for in the video they posted on their feed. The cell sorter machine is more expensive than the one they will be purchasing instead.
• There are still a lot of questions, and very few have been answered. Ashley said the week before last that “next week will be influential in the areas that need impact”, but that statement hasn’t really been substantiated. So far, not even 3% of the 1.7M has been donated back out. And, it has been alleged that Ashley will be taking a 150K salary from the charity.
• Ashley & Saf maintain that they have never taken any funds from the gofundme, and it was “transferred” straight into the foundation. But, no explanation has been given as to how they are funding their lifestyle which is above average by most peoples standards. For example, Ashley acquired a 50K brand new Mercedes on the 1st May (10 days after his daughter passed away). It is uncertain whether this car was purchased outright, or whether it is leased.
• The GoFundMe page is still open.
• The Orange Squad are still loyal as ever.

 

[TikToc]

I'm sorry now but why would anyone want to send a Christmas card with a dead baby's pic on it. I think that is absolutely so disrespectful to that poor child. People are profiting from her death. As her parents they should be stopping all this but they are glory hunters and anything that is keeping them relevant is allowed. Shame on them!

 

[GobShyte64]

Azaylia's funeral was a really good excuse for a piss up! End of. I bet there was a free bar n everything n they all got smashed! "Azaylia would have wanted it"... Azaylia's a fucking baby, she would have wanted to die in peace hooked up to morphine but you parents took that away from her and had her die in potential pain. The poor girl was bleeding from her eyeballs and you couldnt even put the camera down and console your child. Doing daily updates, recording yourself crying and telling the world of insta about your child - watching the engagement and followers go through the roof from grief porn! It's disgusting and there's a place in hell for people who do this shit! They took her off the drip of pain relief because she was sleepy. They basically prolonged the pain for no other reason than to get a few more likes n followers. Why would you do that to your own child? The child that you proclaim to love and would do anything for?

 

[ausernamea]

Hi, long time lurker here! I honestly cannot comprehend the behaviour of these two - primarily the distinct lack of donations made by the charity. Last year my child was diagnosed with a brain tumour and whilst waiting for biopsy results I was frantically calculating figures of what could be sold if the tumour came back as cancerous and we chose to seek treatment abroad. The house, the car - everything was going and I couldn’t have cared less. All I was focused on was being able to fund potentially life saving treatment. We were lucky, but there are so many others who are not and they are crying out for support. It breaks my heart knowing that there are families out there who could be helped in various ways with funds from the charity but who are, quite simply, being ignored. It disgusts me.

 

[MrsDon1]

A little girl with full body burns has donated over £200k to Birmingham Children’s Hospital today after she raised the money running a mile a day.
Are you looking Ash and Saff. You forgot to add a zero onto your cheque.

 

[Opalfruit8]

Anyone else dreading the constant “kiss fingers up to sky let’s go champ” for every single challenge he does on the SAS thing?

I’m calling it that he will be crowned winner because of the azaylia story. And that makes me sick.

 

[Lozzie212325]

I dont get it. He’s going on ‘celebrity’ sas but said after azaylia died how he was over that lifestyle and flashy lifestyle etc. he chats so much shite

 

[2020two]

I just watched this video on this page. At one point, the DJ says “do it really dutty now” which causes Ashley to get real into it. Absolute disbelief. Seriously, did anyone debrief the DJ? Anyone would think it was a wedding.

God I'm so glad this thread exists.. I remember the first tattle thread about the family and it was all well wishes and I felt like such a shitty person as all I wanted to say was stop putting Instagram filters on your beautiful baby whos dying these are your only photos FFS. I know Saff wants to filter herself but seeing the eyelash filter glitch on baby A was vile. All the dickhead dancing when she could barely open her swollen eyes They bang on and on about that jungle book song and jiggling her around it was awful to see.

The funeral knocked me sick tbh, I went to a family funeral yesterday and we were all so inconsolable all we could manage was a coffee. I know grief is different for everyone but this family is just ridiculous.

 

[ash247]

God can you imagine the scene when he gets called into to discuss why he’s there…it’s going to be an Oscar worthy performance and all about how hes a hero and how he’s inspirational

'I just want to show the world that despite the pain and hardship ive been through i am stilll a beast and it proves that we are all courageous lions like my likkle lion she is the strongest girl in the world and she definatly gets that fight.. drive...determination from ME because i am SPARTAA i mean Ashley Cain

 

[Madge Harvey]

This is such an obvious one it’s probably already been suggested but I’ll give it a bash anyway.

Thread Suggested #12 - Where’s the Cashley?

 

[Allmyownopinion]

Those days when you could see her body was getting too tired to go on and they used to crank the music up to disco levels and bounce her round the room when all the poor little mite wanted to do was rest used to break my heart . They took away her dignity and her right to privacy in (and beyond) her final moments and that’s unforgivable

They also took away her pain medication in her final days, because they didn’t want her to sleep! They deliberately put their dying baby through unimaginable pain so she could be used for Instagram posts. As much as they need to be scrutinised for the handling of funding money, they should also be investigated for child neglect!

 

[Olgivy]

My personal understanding of a hero, is someone who has demonstrated immense bravery and courage. Azaylia wasn’t capable of this, she was a baby. Also, a hero is usually someone who has put themselves in danger to help others, or they have sacrificed their own life to save other peoples life. None of those things have happened, and no life has been changed remarkably or saved because of Azaylia. I understand as a grieving parent you will want to seek comfort wherever you see fit, but I like to exist in this world with a good ole dose of realism. Azaylia’s short life on this earth was incredibly sad and unfair, and unfortunately all the poor sweetie could do, was suffer it before she was able to be at peace. But, that doesn’t make her a hero if we are going by the literal definition.

 

[Olgivy]

FUCKING HELL, this shit is actually pissing me off! Their bloody orange crew are trying to criminalise people for asking valid questions, don't we live in a democratic society? Do we not have freedom of speech? Her silly cult should look up 'constitutional' law . I read law and I'm actually going to consider pursuing this a little more as I'm beginning to find Saff's behaviour more and more offensive. I'm beyond suggesting she needs help as I believe she is well aware of what she is doing.

I think that with everything we have seen on social media (hoping people have videos and screenshots) we can honestly ask for their Trustee positions to be suspended pending an investigation. I have highlighted the relevant legislative copy in red text for viewing ease

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Policy paper Power to disqualify from acting as a trustee May 2016 1 of 11 Power to disqualify from acting as a trustee How the Charity Commission proposes to make decisions about the use of the statutory power in the Charities (Protection and Social Investment) Act 2016 to disqualify individuals from acting as trustees and from senior management positions at charities.

Background

The Charities (Protection and Social Investment) Act 2016 (‘the Act’) gives the commission power to make orders disqualifying individuals from acting as trustees1 under certain circumstances. While a person is disqualified under this power they are also disqualified from holding senior management positions within the charity or charities concerned. This is a power for which the commission has long argued and the commission welcomes its inclusion in the Act. The power will enable the commission to disqualify, for a proportionate period, individuals who are unfit to be a trustee in order to protect a charity or charities generally, other trustees and the public. The commission recognises, however, that this is a significant new power. It is important that the commission provides reassurance that it will only use it when there is a clear case for doing so and that the commission clearly explain what it will take into account before using the power. This paper gives details of the commission’s approach to using this power. There are important safeguards built into the use of this power. Before an order is made there will be a notice period in which the individual will be able to make representations to the commission and, in some cases, representations can be made by the public. An individual will also have the right to appeal to the First-tier Tribunal (Charity) (‘the Tribunal’) if an order is made and to apply to the commission for an order to vary or discharge the disqualification order. The commission’s policy on applying to discharge a disqualification order will be informed by its policy on applying for waivers for automatic disqualification.

The 3 tests that have to be met for the commission to use the power

The Act provides that the commission will only be able to make a disqualification order when it is satisfied that each of the following tests is met:

1. At least 1 of 6 ‘conditions’ applies
2. The person is unfit to be a trustee2
3. The order is desirable in the public interest in order to protect public trust and confidence in charities3

The relevant principles of good regulation and the human rights and equalities protections will apply to the decision to disqualify, as they do to all of the commission’s decisions.

There are several conditions, but only 1 is required. I've highlighted the most relevant

Condition D - a trustee, officer, agent or employee of a charity was responsible for, contributed to or facilitated misconduct or mismanagement in a charity or the person knew of the misconduct or mismanagement and failed to take any reasonable step to oppose it

Example - providing false or deliberately misleading information to the commission (ii) an individual, by virtue of their conduct, has received unauthorised private benefit and this has caused loss to the charity’s assets (including its reputation) (iii) repeated failure to meet reporting requirements (iv) a breach of a commission order or direction

TEST 2 the person is unfit to be a trustee
The commission is likely to have concerns about someone’s honesty or integrity if it finds evidence they have abused a position in which they were trusted to hold and properly use charity or public funds or any funds not belonging to them. Conduct of that type or that abuses the trust of others more generally will also call into question their fitness to act. Examples of such conduct will include (but not be limited to):

• exploiting a position of trust for personal gain
• dishonesty, deception or cheating
• breach of a trust or confidence
• misleading the public
• misleading a public body or failing to tell the whole

There are many other than apply, see here - https://assets.publishing.service.g...er_to_disqualify_from_acting_as_a_trustee.pdf

YES!
In their “What We Fund” post, it came off as other people were trustees, which I think was intentional. But, I honestly believe these two are the trustees, and as you so eloquently state here, they are most definitely in breach of the conditions set forth by The Charity Commission, and the Fundraising regulators. I actually think his appearance on SAS will backfire. It ain’t the right time for “all eyes on him”, especially if he doesn’t want more questions. And there sure as hell will be more questions now! They both seem to think they are invincible, but right now the public perception of them which is “feeling sorry for the grieving parents” is starting to turn the other way. Those comments under that tabloid were not just from tattlers.

Ashley is STILL silent even after the tabloid announcement yesterday. He knows if he posts anything, he will be subjected to even more questioning. People will be asking him why he has switched focus. He doesn’t want to answer, so he knows that by being silent he can taper the backlash. His intention isn’t to care for the “poorly children”, and it never was. His goal is to build his brand and become a celebrity. I don’t know how anyone can think any differently at this point; he is only interested in himself. I can’t imagine any “devoted dad”, would want to bother with bullshit TV shows so soon after the passing of their child either.

Ashley going on this TV show calls into question everything he has done so far. Were the challenges about “preparation”? Were they about getting the attention of the TV producers? His intentions aren't innocent that’s for sure.

And can I say tattlers, people may think we are “trolls”, and conspiracists. But I think we are all a force to be reckoned with. We “called” it. We knew he wouldn’t turn down a red carpet event to sit in a hotel room, researching childhood cancer. That would not be in his nature. We all knew it had to be something bigger and better in his eyes than Pride of Britain. So what else are we right about?

 

[TheBetterHalf]

Very new here but had to join as soon as I saw these threads! I've been following this saga since late last year, and it's only been these last few months where little things would tickle my brain a little bit yet I still thought I'd try to support what I thought was a couple grieving the loss of their baby. Yet I still found it SO strange that Ashley didn't once mention Saf at A's funeral, nor did he seem to think it was necessary to comfort her. Then started wondering what the heck all these challenges he's doing are really for, I mean what honestly is he achieving when we don't even know where the money is going?! Then all these stories about In the Style and whatnot, showing off clothes, going to fancy hotels, eating out at every turn.

I have terrible anxiety and suffer from PTSD as I'm a carer for my mum and lost my dad some years ago. Every day is a bit of a struggle and I try to put myself in her shoes...I know the situation is not the same at all and I don't want to say outright that she hasn't grieved and been terribly sad. But I cannot for the life of me imagine doing ANY of what she (or he) is doing at this stage of grieving. It's just been a few months! She also bangs on about being "excited" about the "education" part of this foundation, yet she hasn't really given us much by way of that. If it were me and I were as deeply entrenched in this cause as she claims to be, I'd spend every hour of my free time researching possible cures, sharing them with the public, finding out what area hospitals need, what advancements have there been around the world, I could go on and on.

Anyway. Glad to have found a kinship in this group! I thought I was going crazy lately watching all these stories and thinking are they serious? (Also WHY WERE THEY DANCING AT THE FUNERAL WHAT WAS THAT omg...)

 

[WeefBellington]

Oh he's posted. Apparently now his life is about travelling the world and doing good for people

Translates into pissing off round the world taking photos of himself in ridiculous poses to hide the fact he’s 4ft 2 suffering with short man syndrome.. pathetic excuse for a parent. He wouldn’t have been as involved if she wasn’t ill. Let’s face ot. He’s riding the coattails of a dead baby because he’s just that pathetic and disgusting. Saf is just as bad. Not a backbone between them..

 

[coryc217]

Many things they have done have been questionable !
main one for me is how she got her lashes done the day before her baby died . Sorry I could not give a shit what I looked like whilst my baby is dying ! How she left her baby to have them done is beyond me !! Every moment would be treasured forever I couldn’t miss an hour of my baby’s life just to have lashes done

 

[juststatingthetruthx555]

The world is waking up

 

[bluecups]

I think the Daily Mail are playing a blinder here.

They know Azaylia has passed away in that photo. They know lots of their readers will know this and that people will request that it be removed. That opens a dialogue about where the DM got this photo. Many people will not have know before now that Ashley and Safiyya posted photos of their clearly deceased child on social media and will be appalled.

I love that the comments section is unmoderated, very deliberate move by the DM. They want this story to spread.

Tip top recap @Olgivy