Anna Bey #4 Secrets of an Elite Scammer

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LydyDeG

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wineandtea13 said:
Hi Ladies,

I'm new! Sorry if this post is too long! I'm a writer on the side, and being concise is something I'm still working on haha!

Although I'm a newbie to you all, I've been following the older threads for a few weeks now! After reading and discovering everything, I'm embarrassed to admit that I actually was one of the women that bought the courses. First, I want to thank you all for your honesty and detective work! The things I've seen here are really eye-opening (and entertaining).

I know it's been said before on here, but the only not positive thing that worries me is the identities of those girls not being blurred out on the shared posts. I know some of you are saying, "well if they're stupid enough to buy it, they deserve to be exposed" etc, or perhaps you think all the girls are the same type, so I really wanted to comment just to give you an idea of what can make a different type of woman buy that course. (Also wanted to add that I feel like when the SOA women see names posted publicly here, it's more likely for them to see Anna as an angel and they won't even get to the point of reading the things about her on here to discover the truth, so I feel like if we post while protecting the identities, it would help get the message across more).

To start with, Anna has A LOT of followers, and not all are African or SE Asian. She has many Western Europeans, many North Americans, and lots of Australians. She has 750K followers on youtube, ~250K on insta, 32K in the free lounge and ~2K in the SOA group. With all these followers, I can truly say not all of them are the less attractive, socially awkward types. There are many like the gorgeous Jamaican one AB interviewed who started the clothing brand (what was her name?), and many other well-dressed, well educated, and genuinely entrepreneurial women. Of course, there are also the sugar baby types, who I think followed her under the old branding (which I didn't know about until later), and the nerdy/socially confused types (but some of them do seem sweet! I think they just need exposure/guidance). I've noticed this last type does actually post more, although all types of women comment and help each other, which I do enjoy seeing. Of course, I won't lie, I am completely mortified and cringe when there are the women who blindly defend her, or are obsessive and seem to worship her (although I would still hate for their private life/pics/names to be so public).

Anyway, so to get to my case which will hopefully help in understanding a different perspective of how Anna has been so successful recently.

I actually grew up in an "affluent" international city where I went to a small British private school, and I currently live in a different affluent international city in a different country. I come from an old-money family on my mom's side, and though my dad's side of the family is highly educated and financially comfortable, I suppose they don't count as old money like my mother's. But don't get me wrong, I'm certainly not running around with Rothschilds, nor is my family the type with a $10 million yacht or anything. I'm tri-lingual (once upon a time this was quad-lingual, but adulting has taken so many skills from me!), I play the piano, I dance ballroom and latin dance (salsa & bachata, way before I discovered Anna lol), I've written a novel which I'm in the process of querying to agents, and I'm in a top tech company. On top of that, I'm fairly attractive--although I admit I don't have the look of/not on the level of those Sugar Baby Eastern European IG girls)--and I certainly do not have a hard time with men (although in the past I've sadly fallen for the wrong type and I've been too giving/trusting, which I think is partly what led here). Pre-covid I was very active socially in my city and went out often. I'm in my mid twenties.

Why am I saying all of this? Because I wanted to really show that not all the girls in the group are the nerdy type, the desperate type, the uneducated type, the poor-background type etc. Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending Anna at all, I think her scamming is horrible and I feel like an idiot for buying into it, and I'm so glad you are all here spreading the message. But looking back, I can see what led to her success, and what led allll the many other women to buy the courses.

So anyway, what makes the more social, attractive, and somewhat intelligent girls buy the course?

I think it's a combo of 1) going through a hard phase in life 2) being naive, or not researching 3) feeling like they need motivation/a push/ to be reminded of their goals 4) being pulled in by the whole male/female dynamic she talks about 5) Anna B's incredibly good marketing skills (they got me and that was my degree, I even knew what she was doing!), and the biggest; 6) the timing of the course release!

So then what made someone like me susceptible? The biggest factor for me (and I think someone mentioned it as a theory before) is that Anna launched her second during the beginning chunk of the COVID-19 pandemic. Right before she announced it, she also used a common tactic: the "the course is going offline, this is your last chance" tactic. The COVID factor is massive. At the time, I even knew she was using a sneaky marketing tactic (and I lost respect for her). But mindset wise, I was having SUCH a hard time with the pandemic, anything that felt like it would help keep me emotionally afloat was worth it (I hadn't started seeing a therapist then to cope emotionally).

The city where I live was and is badly affected by the pandemic. I'm so far from my family, most of my friends had left the big city during COVID, I was going through a ROUGH breakup that did a number on me. I felt like the hard time I was having coping with the pandemic was pushing me back to this toxic relationship--where I felt like I behaved so naively--to cope with the loneliness. I couldn't go back to my family because of border closures. I found Anna Bey on youtube at first, and like many people said here, she does in fact produce most of her videos very well. I did disagree with some stuff, but overall, yeah, I won't lie I liked watching them a lot and I began to like her! I feel like with what I was going through, somehow the free YT videos helped remind me to stay on track, to not lower my standards etc. I didn't google her, nor did I follow her on Insta or read the articles etc. And she often mentioned her humble and--as she called it--trashy background, so when she did or said things that were a bit eyebrow raising on the youtube vidoes, knowing her background explained it, so I didn't become suspicious yet, and I don't like to judge people's history in that sense.

Then, all of a sudden, overnight she put the old course on "last chance to buy", then only after did she announce the new course with a tiny window to buy it. DURING COVID, when so many people were isolated, the economy was struggling, there was so much uncertainty, and riots/political unrest happening in some parts of the world etc. All of these things affect people emotionally and mentally, and thinking about superficial or frivolous things, or simpler things like dating, clothes, etiquette, or self-improvement and mindset, help take you away from that.

Anyway, I had doubts even as I was buying it, and I could tell it would be overpriced, but I bought it on the last day, without time to research, and partly it was because of what I was going through and because I didn't see the other side of her on those youtube videos. Truth be told, the new course itself is not that bad content-wise (since it is a repeat of a lot of cheaper but good content), but NO, it is absolutely NOT worth $1K. I would say $250 tops (and that Elite Women Bingo is some superficial basic BS). As for the old course, I didn't really look through it well, but that was the one that had the facebook community, and although most girls are not the type I would not naturally socialize with in real life, I didn't mind that aspect as much, and I liked how it was a group of women coming together to help each other. I would say that's actually my favorite part out of everything.

Feel free to ask me anything about the types of users in the group, the course, her marketing tactics that worked etc! I'm also part Eastern Mediterranean (with some Lebanese) so I wanted to comment on my thoughts of her relationship, but this post is already way too long so I'll spare you guys for now haha!
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I don't mind the lenght at all ☺
Thank you for sharing your experience and your point of view. Don't feel bad about it, many of us have been fooled too, whoever we are and wherever we're from. Interesting you shared about your emotional vulnerability, same for me, and for many others, i assume...
I also think that we should hide the names of the girls we screenshot (better for their privacy)...
I know that so many women worship her, follow her footsteps out of love, aspiration, beeing included in a community, whatever reason, and because of that, some are in a complete denial and won't read this thread. For those who will, some like you will get out of her scam, the others will reject everything and portray us as jealous-unsuccesfull-bitc**s-snakes-whocares out of denial. i understand. It's hard to put down Anna from the pedestal they erected her on top of. And as we unsecure these girls emotions by the existence of this thread, their answer is an emotional one.
If you felt uneasy reading such things as "they're stupid-deserve to be scammed", don't. I thought so many times, and i understood that it was an emotional answer as well : i felt so angry that her scam worked so well, angry at Anna, sad for many girls, i resented, was disgusted, i felt a wide range of emotions that came out in my speech, i erased it so many times before sending messages, and it also felt good reading that i wasn't the only one feeling that way. At least, that's my take on it. Put aside the emotional speech, keep the facts. We're mad at her. And it's good to have a place to let these emotions out.

I'd love to develop about her marketing tactics, and all the psychology she's using behind it to lure so many people, that's interesting ☺
These threads are so interesting to read... so many different points of view and side subjects ❤

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Let me get this straight. Aija teaches women that men have to pay for everything, "take on the financial load" and frankly teaches female toxicity (male toxicity exists, but so does female and this is a perfect example). Yet, Aija's SO told her he won't be paying for everything and that she must have some sort of career/income stream, so Aija resorted to scamming women by telling them the man has to pay for everything, yet Aija's man won't pay for everything? Did I get this right, my dear elegant ladies?

I can't get over "ditch your average Joe". I assume by "average Joe" she means a working man, who maybe doesn't work in business but as plumber and doesn't earn a shyte tonne. Let me just say I'd rather take a plumber who earns less than me (and vocational/manual labour jobs like plumber and carpenters can earn quite a lot actually) than some big shot who doesn't treat me right. She should teach that "levelling up" means being with a man, who respects you, loves you, treats you right, shares household chores and is there for you and (if you have kids) takes care of the kids (without calling it bloody "babysitting"). Give me a man like that and I don't care whether he earns more or less than me or wears fancy clothes.

Oh and on coffee dates. I remember very well when it was recommended to women to go on coffee dates, because if the guy is a creep it makes for a quick and easy escape. But yeah dear elegant ladies, listen to Aija on how to live life when she herself doesn't live it like that.

These deluded women would ditch a perhaps great guy just because he'll take them on a "coffee date" or asks you to pay half for a weekend away? Wtf?

I have an urgent question. We all know basic bodily needs like farting are not elegant. What do you, my dear elegant ladies, do at night when you sleep to keep those night farts in from escaping? What are your elegant methods? Do butt plugs help?
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This! Anna just has no idea what it's like to have an equal PARTNER. And she also seems to think no woman would want to be educated and work if they had a chance to get provided by a rich man.
I'd never change my "average Joe" to some rich guy just because of money. I'm very happy to pay my share, when he does his part of the housework and so gives me more time to concentrate on my career and educating myself. And he still spoils me a lot :)
So give me one (good!) reason I should require him to pay for everything.

It's very shortsighted to only focus on money when it comes to relationships.
 
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Anna keeps bringing who should pay for dates& 50\50 relationships ect because she knows it's a sensitive topic& that she can exploit that.. If she is being taken care of by her man, if her partner pays for everything then why she cares so much to the point of obsession about other women partners not paying in full and about other women being in 50\50 relationships?

Also so many of her students on YT are Americans I remember someone mentioning AB selling them the American dream🤨
 
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schokolade said:
This! Anna just has no idea what it's like to have an equal PARTNER. And she also seems to think no woman would want to be educated and work if they had a chance to get provided by a rich man.
I'd never change my "average Joe" to some rich guy just because of money. I'm very happy to pay my share, when he does his part of the housework and so gives me more time to concentrate on my career and educating myself. And he still spoils me a lot :)
So give me one (good!) reason I should require him to pay for everything.

It's very shortsighted to only focus on money when it comes to relationships.
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Western women have realised feminism is a joke.

It brought them out the home, and inside the home, men still think in their cavemen ways. This isn't true in the Scandinavian countries where Anna grew up, but it's definitely a reality in America. Women are expected to go 50/50 on the bills, on dates, but give 100 on the housework, child rearing, and sex. No wonder they want to buy this dream that a Prince Charming will save them from the drudgery.

For the vast majority of the middle class, however, it's very difficult to survive on one income. Added to that the harsh truth is that if you make more than your man he will feel emasculated. Unless he is a user, in which case he'll be happy to take your money. It's a complicated issue.

Women who follow their natural instinct to find a provider man are shamed. Modern wisdom says we are supposed to look for potential, or personality. Conversely, men are allowed to look at shallow things like attractiveness and bring nothing to the table but their penises. So a cute loser who sits on our couch while we work our butts off.

I think I understand her student demographic now. Put yourself in the place of a woman who has spent her youth pursuing career and education, and now finds she has effectively "priced herself out of the market". The men that are her peers are in less successful jobs. These men want younger, more attractive, but less accomplished, women. Anna represents false hope that they will get their happily ever after moment.

They think that Anna can help, but the reality is Anna is mid way to 40 and has accomplished nothing in her life. She has no home, not even a car, no husband, just a sandcastle of dreams and lies.
 
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schokolade said:
This! Anna just has no idea what it's like to have an equal PARTNER. And she also seems to think no woman would want to be educated and work if they had a chance to get provided by a rich man.
I'd never change my "average Joe" to some rich guy just because of money. I'm very happy to pay my share, when he does his part of the housework and so gives me more time to concentrate on my career and educating myself. And he still spoils me a lot :)
So give me one (good!) reason I should require him to pay for everything.

It's very shortsighted to only focus on money when it comes to relationships.
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This! yes my mother was a housewife for years but decided to go to work later on so that she can use her education to help others (She's a social worker) She said that we (the children )grew up and now that we are adult& left the house so she needed a sense of purpose :)it's not always about the money
 
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laurensanchez

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Noella said:
OH NOO!!! Tranformation NO 1: Lose your southern hillbilly (her word - not mine) accent!!!! 😱🤣
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All these overused phrases like level up.

Someone, preferably a student, explain to me what the end goal is? At Level 1000 do you get a trophy? Is there a secret ceremony where the nobility of the land surround you in a circle and applaud you? When and how do you measure exactly when the level is attained? And are the benchmarks set by Anna or yourself?
I am not the type to follow cult leaders so I am having issues understanding.
 
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laurensanchez said:
All these overused phrases like level up.

Someone, preferably a student, explain to me what the end goal is? At Level 1000 do you get a trophy? Is there a secret ceremony where the nobility of the land surround you in a circle and applaud you? When and how do you measure exactly when the level is attained? And are the benchmarks set by Anna or yourself?
I am not the type to follow cult leaders so I am having issues understanding.
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As someone who is following because of her stupid curiosity, and have looked through both courses, Leveled up is intentionally kept vague the same with what an elegant woman is :)

It's a lifelong jouney everyone should be on :p
 
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Noella

Noella

JustVisitingAijaDarling said:
IDK, don't interact with women from there much, I can testify the men doesn't. But I only meet them at military training/survival camps :p

I just recall a couple of my older american etiquette books promoting it heavily.
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Well, I guess it's just one more of their scams.. selling world they have a charme..
(just like everything else in the US aka we're the greatest nation in the world 😉)
 
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