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Yel

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Charles should probably abdicate on health grounds.

So many of the problems now are due to the late queen carrying on for far too long and no one really being in control.
 
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Tangerine Dream

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As much as I'm glad to see Andrew at his lowest moment, the media's blanket coverage is starting to concern me because that usually means they are burying other stories.

I do want to know though, wtf is "Lady" Victoria Hervey's problem? What an openly nasty scumbag, wow.
 
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tagliatelle

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It dawned me on me recently that Andrew is the only sibling who took and used HRH titles for his children. Anne didn’t take anything, and Edward’s kids are styled as Lord and Lady (even though I know they’re technically entitled). I feel that says it all.
 
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You know how he’s saying the photo with his arm around Virginia Giuffre isn’t real because he was at Pizza Express? He never met her?

Ghislaine Maxwell has said in newly-released emails that the photo is real and that she introduced them.
 

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neroli

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I went to uni with someone who went on to become extremely close to QE and later the King. He's coming under scrutiny now re Epstein.
 
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One of the daughters came to uni in Newcastle and it was reported at the time that as well as her getting her halls of residence funded by the tax payer, the protection officer had a room next door. Anne and Edward just seem to get on with it and never wanted any attention on their children, or title. Awful awful person Andrew is
I never knew that! I’m now picturing a world-weary security dude traipsing along for some classy, Bigg Market shenanigans of a Friday night, with the obligatory fight in a kebab shop and hour-long queue at the Central Station taxi rank 😁
 
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Michi

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Jokes aside, if what was posted above (torture of a little girl), off to the Tower with him. Disgusting. I sincerely hope he will get what he deserves.
 
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Silverback

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I agree. He hasn't actually been arrested regarding Epsteins crimes. The files have just outted him for other crimes.

I'm sick of Andrew being the only one mentioned. There are far bigger names that should be investigated over underage sex/sex trafficking. It wasnt just Andrew.
You’re absolutely right, but arresting him is a big scalp, and shows it’s being taken seriously. I hope it scares the fuck out of the others involved who are on British soil right now.
 
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Debra_Whinger

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Any blind items on Fergie's whereabouts? I'd love to know where she is and if she's peeing her pants in anticipation on what more they will dig out about her shady dealings. Maybe she should just volunteer to have a chat with the investigators. A prison sentence would probably be the best deal she can get, no rent, free meals and basically the kind of company she prefers.
 
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Scotch Mist

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I'm not sure that the revelations that trafficked women were taken into royal properties for Andrew is something that the RF could or should come back from, to be honest.
The people at fault here are Andrew and Fungus. Blaming the rest of the family is like pointing the finger at mother's who've produced criminal children 🙄 Sometimes the parents or other family members reaĺly can't do anything about the poor life choices of their relatives.

That said I do think that Andrew was indulged too much by his parents and consequently grew up to be an arrogant selfish scumbag. Public schools are full of such types but at least some of them may have some morals. His complete lack of morals is concerning but that doesn't mean that all the others are the same, for example Anne appears to be a far better person than Andrew.
 
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kingseven

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I remember way back just before Andrew and Sarah got wed, there was a TV programme showing the pair going through their wedding gifts. She was really rude and insulting about some of the gifts that had been sent in by ordinary members of the public calling them hideous, tacky etc He had to step in and say that people had been very kind to send them gifts and that fact should be appreciated. She shut up then but even Andrew had enough sense to realise that the people who'd sent them would be watching. Ok the gifts were awful but anyone with an ounce of sense or good manners wouldn't trash them so publicly! It showed clearly what a nasty piece Sarah is.
I can never understand why ordinary folk spend their hard earned money on such wealthy people anyway. When the late Queen married people even sent her their ration coupons as gifts,but apparently they were returned.
I’d be interested to explore further her actual definition of hideous and tacky.
 

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SweetPerdita

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I think LTQE2 had the mindset of 'keep your friends close and your enemies closer' when it came to AMW. I don't think she knew the full extent, but she kept a close eye. All his ongoings were well before she realised.
You think she was close to her own son because she was operating a secret underground "keep your enemies close" policy? Rather than simply being a mum who worshipped her child and had a huge blind spot regarding him?

The Queen was not Mother Theresa (hell, Mother Theresa was not the paragon of virtue she was made out to be); I had respect for her as a human being, but she was a product of her environment. The entire BRF is deeply toxic and corrupt and fundamentally believed they were better than anyone else and had the right to do whatever they like. The Queen personally interceded in the passing of numerous laws to ensure that she and her family were exempt, including some laws only a pretty terrible person would want to be exempt from (like animal mistreatment laws, and racial discrimination laws). Charles has a very dodgy history of taking carrier bags of money from corrupt officials from terror regimes. William's charity was funded by a guy who swapped torture videos with Epstein. All of them are, at best, people who do not give a shit about anyone else and think they are above the law.
 
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Miss Havisham

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Getting arrested is pointless. The met will do fuck all. JE is “dead” , GM banged up anyway. Just feels all abit pointless! However I hope we get some sort of justice for those who have been mentally and physically scarred by the actions of these pweados.
Both AWB and Mandelson are being investigated regarding misconduct in public office. Both serious offences - if found guilty it means prison sentences.
From the leaked emails, it does look quite clear, that they were both receiving cash / favours in turn for giving Epstein inside information - that offered him huge financial gain.

Regardless of Epstein being dead, they could both do time if found guilty.
 
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Miss Havisham

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Andrew and Ferguson are probably in shock, that all their contacts are not interested. I’m sure they have put the feelers out, but nobody will be returning their calls.

Same with Mandelson. He has spent his whole life, sidling up to the rich - all doors will now be firmly closed to him.
 
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