Wasn't she face timing with a friend while she went on her rampage? I seem to remember there was a performative aspect to it.Let’s not forget that the RO was most probably not Ella’s idea. As for her behaviour in her father’s and Bianca’s house, it was way more than a teen misbehaving. It was a child exploding in anger, fear and immense sadness.
Oh yes. Gathering evidence of 'abuse' lol.Wasn't she face timing with a friend while she went on her rampage?
yeah and she was belittling in an unhinged manner the small apartment (only the best for a Evans, thats exactly why Ioan shouldnt care one bit about how they live) to them.Wasn't she face timing with a friend while she went on her rampage? I seem to remember there was a performative aspect to it.
Yes, but that doesn’t mean that there wasn’t real anger, fear and sadness there too. Being the ‘bad’ kid is often the greatest facade.Wasn't she face timing with a friend while she went on her rampage? I seem to remember there was a performative aspect to it.
Yes, but remember whose plan it was to get the RO.but most of that behavior on that day they tried to get a RO sounded like calculated nastiness. That's why she prepared a discord live stream too, to show her shitty friends her big performance.
I tend to think those kids were groomed from birth by their mother. It didn’t start when he left, she used them agasint him from the start so it’s just what they know.Yes, but remember whose plan it was to get the RO.
Alice was driving this, and god knows what the consequences for Ella would have been if she didn't carry out Alice's orders.
I agree with this! And as I recall, Ella has had some behavioral problems way before Ioan left.I tend to think those kids were groomed from birth by their mother. It didn’t start when he left, she used them agasint him from the start so it’s just what they know.
Much like there was a performative aspect to her street theatre on her knees begging her father that time . She is sadly cut from the same cloth as her mother, (which Alice will deal with the consequences of in the coming years) but I remain hopeful for her.Wasn't she face timing with a friend while she went on her rampage? I seem to remember there was a performative aspect to it.
I have a strong feeling Alice is going to have her hands full with this girl over the next few years. Pity Alice turned her against her father, so now Alice will get to handle her all by herself.yeah and she was belittling in an unhinged manner the small apartment (only the best for a Evans, thats exactly why Ioan shouldnt care one bit about how they live) to them.
that has nothing to do with anger, its just being nasty.
I think some people do the same mistake they did with their mother and mix up nastiness with sadness/anger. I'm sure they have moments of anger (e.g. that visitation when she says that Bianca destroyed her family or that Ioan is a wimp), but most of that behavior on that day they tried to get a RO sounded like calculated nastiness. That's why she prepared a discord live stream too, to show her shitty friends her big performance.
Agree with This. Just to throw in my two pence, I worked in children’s services for a long time and this happens a scary amount. It is embarrassing how many children are open to children’s services literally because the impact of the parents and their relationship. Seriously, no safeguarding risk at all apart from the fact that grown, often intelligent, adults cannot put themselves to one side for the sake of the children and the most difficult part to work with is that they are convinced they are in the right. This was one of the major reasons I left in the end, it was bloody awful.I tend to think those kids were groomed from birth by their mother. It didn’t start when he left, she used them agasint him from the start so it’s just what they know.
Not just that - children’s brains go through massive changes in puberty. They’re refolding, trimming, new neuronal connections are being made, they have the effect of hormones - a cascade that is frequently imbalanced - plus physical growth and change, all of which contribute to an evolving sense of self and relationship with the world and others. (And now social media can document every single embarrassing moment- yay!) Ella is altering and changing at an enormous rate, and she’s had to deal with Alice for the last three years of it - manipulation, endless repetition, hatred, blackmail, unhinged ranting, drunkenness, possibly drug abuse and lies. Alice has made it so that Ella is all alone and her mother is the only person between her and homelessness (Alice will have led her to believe). Of course she does what Alice tells her to. Of course she follows orders. Of course she swallows the bullshit Alice spews, just so she doesn’t have to have an unhinged tirade inflicted on her for hours on end.Agree with This. Just to throw in my two pence, I worked in children’s services for a long time and this happens a scary amount. It is embarrassing how many children are open to children’s services literally because the impact of the parents and their relationship. Seriously, no safeguarding risk at all apart from the fact that grown, often intelligent, adults cannot put themselves to one side for the sake of the children and the most difficult part to work with is that they are convinced they are in the right. This was one of the major reasons I left in the end, it was bloody awful.
I would also point out that children are always children. They get their attitudes and behaviours from those closest to them. I am uncomfortable with any talk where the children are criticised for their reactions, because that is what it is, despite how it looks. This isn’t to say they can’t be brats etc but imagine being children living with Alice, and in the middle of all this. If it was a calculated act with her mother then we absolutely should not be blaming a child for that, nasty or not.
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