I wonder if she will claim to have epididymitis one day? It's not well known and sounds painful.
$26 she's googling it right now!
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I am a strong believer that while you can be groomed to be attached to a horrible person just a very small extend of bad actions you make for them can be put solely on that (i.e. i think Ioan is a good example, the letter is the worst he did, and Alice was clearly upset that he didnt do more, even against his own mom). I think neither Tone, Lin nor Loopy or many of her followers (and tbh also Ella but she has the excuse to be raised and weaponised by said abusive person) can be excused for this. for that they have been way too cruel from a humanity standpoint.
I actually would put the late Deb into that category. She was brainwashed by Alice until some point, but clearly more nuanced.
Like all abusers, manipulators, grifters, etc, I think she attempts this grooming and manipulation on every one she comes across, but it works better on more vulnerable people. If you are emotionally/psychologically healthy in yourself and have healthy relationships with strong boundaries, you might believe her stories at first, sympathise with her, defend and support her, but the more you see of her vile behaviour the more you will be shocked and then repulsed by her. Where as if you are someone who is already disenfranchised, angry, bitter, scared, a people pleaser, empathic, just someone who believes the best in people and always gives second, third, fourth chances, etc, you are more vulnerable to be taken in by an Alice. But when she shows her true colours, it's the people who frankly are pretty emotionally fucked up who stick around, who take pleasure in that kind of cruelty and abuse because it's a way for them to vent their own anger, bitterness, fears. Alice is a cancer, her own behaviour brings out the worst in people who are already fucked up, and she gives them a platform and validation to give in to their own worst feelings and impulses, and to feel self-righteous while they are doing it. Like Trump, it makes her a dangerous predator because she creates a world where it's OK to lash out and use and abuse others on the justification that they have hurt you, or they owe it to you, but her followers also have to take responsibility for their behaviour, because they already have to feel that way inside themselves.
Sorry
@welp, that was a whole lot of word salad to basically say I agree with you!