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I’m sorry to sound so ignorant but I really don’t understand how the Taliban have armed themselves with (as has been reported by PA) Russian and US made weapons and helicopters. How are they getting them? Who’s bankrolling them?

I know there’s a complex history in Afghanistan but I’m keen to read credible long reads if anyone knows any. I can’t get my head around the pace with which this has all happened. Surely the intelligence agencies would have known this was coming? If not, its a depressing indictment of how badly they understand the Taliban and how they operate.
As far as i know, they scavenged a lot of Soviet weaponry back in the 70's/80's. The Americans armed the mujahideen with rifles, rpgs, mortars etc too, along with training them.

Nowadays they make a lot of money through trading opium/heroin, along with having control of a few lithium mines. They probably buy a lot of old Soviet stockpiles from various weapons dealers, they most likely buy American manufactured weapons off these weapons dealers too.

And then of course, they can just raid military compounds and storehouses for weapons the Americans supplied the Afghan army. The Taliban found a few large American weapon caches the other day, because Americans are legitimately stupid.
 
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He tweeted yesterday, but about how to solve climate change 🤷‍♀️
The only thing that Tony seems good at 'solving' is the way of making money, and bolstering his own bank balance.

I don't take any notice of millionaire/billionaire 'socialists', as many are utter hypocrites.
 
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I’m sorry to sound so ignorant but I really don’t understand how the Taliban have armed themselves with (as has been reported by PA) Russian and US made weapons and helicopters. How are they getting them? Who’s bankrolling them?

I know there’s a complex history in Afghanistan but I’m keen to read credible long reads if anyone knows any. I can’t get my head around the pace with which this has all happened. Surely the intelligence agencies would have known this was coming? If not, its a depressing indictment of how badly they understand the Taliban and how they operate.
How they get their money:
Experts believe the group, along with public officials, have been involved in the drug trade for a substantial amount of time, but there is a dispute about how much money the group actually makes from drugs.

A confidential report compiled by NATO and later leaked to Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, showed the group also get money from mining, real estate, and unnamed regional benefactors.
How they get arms:
Robert Crews, an expert on Afghanistan at Stanford University, told the Washington Post: “One of the first moves the Taliban has made in moving into new territory is to go to a government headquarters, arrest or kill those figures, open the prisons, and then go to the government bases and seize the weapons.”

The groups also has weapons and equipment donated by groups or states that are in some way sympathetic with their cause.

The US previously accused Russia of supporting and providing arms to the Taliban in 2018. In a BBC interview General John Nicholson claimed that guns were being smuggled over the border from neighbouring Tajikistan.

He said: “We’ve had weapons brought to this headquarters and given to us by Afghan leaders and [they] said, this was given by the Russians to the Taliban.” Russia and the Taliban both denied the US claims.
It's worth noting that Russia isn't directly giving them weapons by the sound of it. They're giving them to Tajikistan who then somehow pass it on to the Taliban, it doesn't sound too far from what happened with ISIS getting their weapons from Russia, UK and US really.

Also worth noting that some of those weapons may be from Pakistan directly or indirectly. I read that Pakistan is apparently rather supportive of the Taliban but there's some fears that the Taliban may try to take over their borders/parts of the country apparently. India in general isn't too happy either but it's turned into India v Pakistan thing rather than anything else.
 
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How they get their money:


How they get arms:


It's worth noting that Russia isn't directly giving them weapons by the sound of it. They're giving them to Tajikistan who then somehow pass it on to the Taliban, it doesn't sound too far from what happened with ISIS getting their weapons from Russia, UK and US really.

Also worth noting that some of those weapons may be from Pakistan directly or indirectly. I read that Pakistan is apparently rather supportive of the Taliban but there's some fears that the Taliban may try to take over their borders/parts of the country apparently. India in general isn't too happy either but it's turned into India v Pakistan thing rather than anything else.
This is so useful. Thank you for the info!
 
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Biden is already 15 mins late, I think if toy arrange something for something 45 you need to stick to it!
 
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They get funded by the Saudis.
Those poor people having to live under these lunatics whilst the USA and us thow them under a bus. Absolutely disgraceful.
 
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Has anyone seen this?

Has pulled at my heart strings a fair bit but if we're being realistic (or pessimistic) it's probably a loss cause to be donating that much money at this point. The dude and any of the staff he's able to take should probably get out as soon as they can
 
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I feel sad for all the civilians there...men, women, kids. The President has abandoned them as have the Afghan army.
It is so tragic. Imagine how desperate you have to feel to cling onto the undercarriage of a plane, knowing you will die. Also, I can't even imagine how that pilot felt. My God.
 
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Probably frantically 'polishing' his curd of a speech.
What a curd of a speech it is - even after only a couple of minutes.

Doesn't seem to understand that if you fight in a country, part of that comes nation building - something he thinks isn't their job.

He is clearly trying to justify himself against the widespread criticism levied against him.
 
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Several places I've heard that there were only 8'000 troops still there. Seems like such small change and would have saved money keeping them there for years/decades to come to keep things contained for longer as apposed to the emergency stuff happening now.

I wonder how he'll deflect, blame the Afghan army?


Yeah, looks like someone bitter trolling.
Listening to Biden, it seems he basically has blamed the Army and the Afghan leader.
 
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the President the last time the Taliban took over ended up hanged from a traffic light. So no wonder he fled.
The women and girls of Afghanistan have been utterly let down. There are already stories on social media of men crowing about how they now have to be quiet and covered up and also how theTaliban want wives for their fighters. It is another Islamic state starting up.
20 years, billions of dollars and hundreds of lives and we are back where we started. It’s so horrifying. This is Biden’s Vietnam and while it isn’t only his fault it will always be his failure.
 
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Israel’s dirty work?
Netanyahu testified that Iraq had WMD and that removing Saddam would be beneficial to the middle east, of course that all turned out to be a lie. Iraq was building itself up, was flirting with the idea of introducing a form of gold standard currency and was going to cut the U.S/Israel off in regards to oil.

Then there is the fact Israel has being pushing for a war with Iran for decades now, and has been caught out lying about them to try and stir up resentment towards Iran. Israel really doesn't like Iran spreading it's influence, nor does it like it's neighbours getting more powerful/rich.
 
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As far as i know, they scavenged a lot of Soviet weaponry back in the 70's/80's. The Americans armed the mujahideen with rifles, rpgs, mortars etc too, along with training them.

Nowadays they make a lot of money through trading opium/heroin, along with having control of a few lithium mines. They probably buy a lot of old Soviet stockpiles from various weapons dealers, they most likely buy American manufactured weapons off these weapons dealers too.

And then of course, they can just raid military compounds and storehouses for weapons the Americans supplied the Afghan army. The Taliban found a few large American weapon caches the other day, because Americans are legitimately stupid.
There are so many issues with this, of course, but does anyone else think appealing to people buying drugs not to do so would be a good avertising campaign to attempt to stop people who are supporting the taliban? or is it too late?

not sure if it has been mentioned yet - but the UK letting in Afghani refugees without passports... How are they wxpected to arrive here with flights banned? I am terrified for all the women and girls there, and all the people in the aiport seem to be men
 
There are so many issues with this, of course, but does anyone else think appealing to people buying drugs not to do so would be a good avertising campaign to attempt to stop people who are supporting the taliban? or is it too late?
The irony is, the biggest buyers of opium/heroin off the Taliban, other terrorist organisations, SEA river pirates etc... is actually pharmaceutical companies. At one point American troops were stationed near poppy fields to protect them, those fields were owned by genuine Afghan warlords with ties to the Taliban, some of which were alleged to participate in Bacha Bazi (don't look up what that is lol).

Pharmaceutical companies are really powerful and have a lot of sway in government, they also bring a lot of money in. So it isn't a big deal to send a couple of detachments over to protect some poppy fields. Those opium poppies are then made into opiates that people use properly as painkillers, or get addicted too and ruin their lives lol.
 
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I don't think opioid users would take notice of any campaigns to not use, it's not the same demographic as the "party" drugs.

Biden was beyond shameful. He should hang his head in shame. Yes popular to leave, but not pulling out like he did. Today's images will be with him forever.
 
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I don't think opioid users would take notice of any campaigns to not use, it's not the same demographic as the "party" drugs.

Biden was beyond shameful. He should hang his head in shame. Yes popular to leave, but not pulling out like he did. Today's images will be with him forever.
True, companies who use this should really be held to account. I don't get why the link between this is being ingored.
I think all US presidents have done nothijng about this tbh
 
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