Afghanistan

[Venuslurker]

What a lot of hateful racist shit.

 

[mcfeez]

Personally I thik only women, children, the elderly and the disabled should be allowed out, the fit young men can stay there. It's always the men that cause the problems. I'd also like to see any woman in the west that chooses to wear the hijab currently to stop wearing it in solidarity to women that don't have that choice.

I think the Taliban prefer to mandate the wearing of the burqa rather than the hijab/niqab but regardless really don't understand how women in the west removing theirs helps at all? The choice to wear their head covering is a hugely personal one. Your suggestion comes across a bit ignorant.

 

[mcfeez]

I fail to see how anything can be considered a beautiful thing when it is used as a form of oppression towards women in other countries, sorry but there is nothing 'beautiful' about that. As for the argument that it won't do anything, no it won't but that isn't the point.

Marriage is used to oppress women in many places - does that mean there is nothing good about it either?

If a woman chooses to wear the hijab how on earth is that oppressing her?

 

[thegirlscout]

I've felt really uneasy all evening and I'm just absolutely petrified about the truly messed up world I've brought my babies into

I know this is a super cliche thing to say but whenever there is something diabolical happening I always look for the good people trying to help out. In this situation I’ve read about the U.K. ambassador who has stayed with his staff to personally process visas for people stuck in Afghanistan and also a British man who set up an animal charity who is refusing to abandon his staff and friends and is staying even though he will most likely be of interest to the Taliban. I know these are small things but it helps me to show that there is good in the world, even in the most desperate of situations.

(Here is a link to the gentleman I was talking about who set up an animal charity. He’s trying to raise £200,000 to secure a cargo plane to transport him, his staff and dependants and the animals out of danger https://www.expressandstar.com/news...elp-animal-rights-charitys-staff-leave-kabul/ There is a tweet that links to the donation page)

 

[Lanie]

I've never understood the 'I've lived it' argument. Somebody the other day was telling me he had lived homelessness and therefore I must believe and trust his policy ideas on addressing the issue. That struck me as bizarre.

Let's take several sets of people.

In the first set you have Protestants and Catholics who hate one another because of their faith.

In the second set you have Protestants and Catholics who get along very well because of the similarities of their faith.

The problem then isn't the faith, but the ego-nature of the people involved.

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I've never understood the 'I've lived it' argument. Somebody the other day was telling me he had lived homelessness and therefore I must believe and trust his policy ideas on addressing the issue. That struck me as bizarre.

Let's take several sets of people.

In the first set you have Protestants and Catholics who hate one another because of their faith.

In the second set you have Protestants and Catholics who get along very well because of the similarities of their faith.

The problem then isn't the faith, but the ego-nature of the people involved.

Oh ok, fair enough. You have stayed in a country for five minutes and spoke to a few people therefore you know everything about that countries history. You have not lived amongst people who have told you to stay away from certain areas because if they hear you are a protestant youre done for, you have not had family members who like you said once lived peacefully in their homes burned out because their religion was made known. You have not driven past burning cars because that persons religion has been made known.

I know nothing pet. But this was my childhood.

 

[thegirlscout]

Where I used to live for uni (I don’t wish to say but it was down south) they had a high rate of people who have moved from the Middle East due to the wars and unrest, and the locals said a massive problem was that they changed the landscape of their communities irrevocably because they just wouldn’t integrate. They wouldn’t learn English, they would wear the burqa (which I have to admit I find quite intimidating) and some areas white women couldn’t visit because these men would stare at them or follow them around.
I remember accompanying my friend to the police station because she had been groped by a recent Syrian refugee and the police said she wouldn’t have a case because the authorities would be soft on him as his culture doesn’t treat women the same way. I was gobsmacked. Later a girl was raped on a night out and the man who did it was a refugee and they had police at the university giving advice and they said that it was best to avoid ‘their areas’ because it’s just too deeply ingrained a problem. The comment ‘their areas’ really stuck with me because shouldn’t it be all our areas? Plus it was difficult to avoid as you needed to walk by ‘their area’ to get to the halls of residence.
So I can understand why some people are fearful of new arrivals who are mostly male as they can cause a massive problem.
I think the local authorities and government need to help newcomers adapt to living in a Western country as it can be a massive culture shock. If they were able to integrate more then I think it would help the them vs us situations that occur.

 

[Mrs loizou]

Yeah, given £5.66 a day to live on until their application is processed which can take a long time, arrive with the clothes on their backs,

Completely agree. We have plenty of our own people who are struggling and have mental health issues, and people can come over on boats and dinghies or be allowed over from Afghanistan and what lefties don't realise is this is a huge drain on our system. We are an island and are struggling as it is because migration has gone up in the past 10yrs. By the way, I do believe that interpreters and people who helped our army and America's army and other armies should get help to come over here, and I'm all for that. But we spent many yrs and lots of time and money training the Afghan locals up for them to give up straight away and not even try and fight for their country. Many flee and leave their wives and children behind, if you have a look at the pictures when boats arrive at Dover or on our beaches, they are mostly men with gun tattoos on their hand and smiling with decent clothes and the latest phones. Boris also said that Hong Kong refugees were allowed over and he'll be letting them come. We all wonder why our country is stretched and doctors and NHS wait times are taking so long with inflation. Everyone says "f*k the Tories", and whilst yes they are also at fault, all of this immigration doesn't help us long term. Tories are allowing all this migration as there would be hell if they said no from lefties and they're cowards. There are over 100 countries in the world that could also help, we always are helping out. People wonder why Brexit was voted so high and Reform UK got so many votes in the last election - people are secretly fed up and have had enough of being called "racist" for speaking up asking why they aren't getting help from their own country and government but people come over from boats and dinghies and the taxpayer is paying for their 5* hotel stay and food and they still moan it isn't good enough. Remember that refugee in Glasgow who went around stabbing people last year? So greatful he was to get help off of us.... These people are coming over and we are doing no checks on who they really are, and if any of them are dangerous criminals. SOME, not all could be violent dangerous criminals. Remember the r*pist who was supposed to be deported on the plane back to his country and everyone stopped him from being deported as they thought he was a poor innocent refugee? All of these people coming over daily put a drain on the country for real people in need like some of the Afghan nationals.

Lefties are quick to blame the tories and everything being their fault, whilst Boris and co are far from perfect, Tony Blair is responsible for a lot of this who was under Labour but they go quiet and think money grows on trees and we have houses after houses free and an unlimited money bucket for our NHS and country. Of course, it's easier to blame mophead.


Let's not forget that many many men lost their lives, injuries or PTSD and have died for nothing. Other men went to war and still live with their PTSD and witnessing horrendous things happen to their colleagues and in Afghanistan as a whole and they've been pushed to the side from day one and not received any help. They're on the streets struggling, or fighting a battle with their PTSD every single day, they went to war for us, some being young lads at just 18. Makes me so angry that to defend them and say what about them is racist and selfish, why do they not matter in all this? They went to war for our country and were brave men, and not all soldiers did bad things over there. We didn't just "blow up their country", we fought against their enemy which is what their men should be doing for their families instead of running away, we did help families in need and even had volunteers come over, we looked after the locals and fought for their rights, too. America was the country that chose to go to war over 9/11, they are a much bigger country... where's their help in all this? It's always the UK who has to help. Please don't moan next time you're waiting for NHS and doctors appointments, or when a loved one is waiting for years and years for a home when migrants can come over and be housed much quicker than our own. I bet this comment won't stay up as it doesn't fit the agenda and would cause offence, but it's about time we looked at the problems immigration cause.

The housing crisis in the UK was caused mainly by Thatchers Right To Buy. The lack of housing is because she sold off homes, or allowed people to sell them off and profit from it.

The lack of resources we are seeing in the UK now is the result of 10 years of Tory austerity, nothing to do with the Labour Government. The years under Cameron et saw some of the worst poverty ever in the UK

Brexit was built on a lie, people voted for things that they were told were fact that later turned out to be innaccurate.
Lots of communities in the North did this as they had been struggling for decades with unemployment and a completely decimated community, and who did that to them.... THATCHER!! Shut the mines, didnt she? Main source of employment for thousands of people
This viewpoint that immigrants then arrived and took jobs meant for British peoples is also RIDICULOUS!
If an employer chooses to employ an immigrant over a Brit then thats the fault of the employer. Ask yourself why they might want to employ someone who works a bit harder, or for a bit cheaper. The answer is Capitalism - get something done as cheaply as possible for as much profit, every man for themselves etc. Who loved that idea?? THATCHER!

People smiling when they arrive on a boat? I would be smiling if I had got to safety having been on a dinghy on the British Channel. How ridiculous to say someone's intentions are bad because they smile.

Refuges being responsible for terrible crimes?
Are we forgetting women being murdered by British off duty police officers whilst they are walking home?
Are we forgetting Plymouth?

I sincerely hope you never find yourself in a situation where you might need some help from an immigrant

 

[Notgonnalie]

 

[Yel]

So much for the 90 days before Kabul falls with the pictures today of smoke rising in the background

It's looking more and more like the Vietnam helicopter evacuation with helicopters supposedly going to the US embassy. And US spokespersons are pretending it's all under control . They were planning to start evaluating people this Thursday and evacute everyone by the end of August, that timescale is totally out of the window.

 

[Merpedy]

Unpopular opinion possibly but I'm having a hard time caring too much about the whole situation

It was never going to be realistic to maintain a constant military presence of any sort to maintain some sort of stability. The Taliban wasn't going to magically disappear one day and the country would be fine

The human rights aspect of it is upsetting but that's honestly about it

 

[FoksiOska]

Some horrendous videos circulating of people falling off the USAF plane whilst it's in the air
What a world we live in

 

[wiganuser]

Watching all those videos at Kabul airport is shocking. To think we have spent 20 years there (I dont care about the narrative of us being there for oil etc) for the men of the country to not step up the minute we leave and let the Taliban take over. Speaks volumes of the nation who give zero shit about their own. I hate that the US/UK get blame for a lot of this when in reality, it's a complete lost cause.

 

[Dishthedirt2021]

Gosh the footage is heartbreaking. I’ve had to take a break from the news because it’s stressing me out. I’m very thankful that I have the privilege of walking away. So sad

 

[Miss Havisham]

Biden is an evil cunt. Pulling the rug like this - knowing the easy carnage he has handed to the Taliban.
I shuddered when I saw his press conference. Not a care, his beady little eyes expressionless.

 

[Sally1993]

I am absolutely terrified for the women and girls who will be left behind. God knows what atrocities will happen to them. Every time I think of it, I get goosebumps and tears in my eyes. Those poor, poor women and girls left behind.

 

[openbook1]

I feel sad for all the civilians there...men, women, kids. The President has abandoned them as have the Afghan army.
It is so tragic. Imagine how desperate you have to feel to cling onto the undercarriage of a plane, knowing you will die. Also, I can't even imagine how that pilot felt. My God.

 

[AllSeeingEye123]

What have the locals done for the past two decades? They have had help from military countries but don't appear to want help themselves. They have been trained up and had billions pumped in to the country and for what? For when it's time to stand on their own two feet they run at the first sign of trouble instead of fighting for their country. I am glad our heroes didn't do the same when the Nazis came after us. And why are women over there having kids? How cruel do you have to be to get pregnant and bring a child in to an unstable and unsafe country?

 

[Notgonnalie]

Good job our heroes fought better for their country or we would all be speaking German. The young there have had 20 years to train up to be prepared with state of the art equipment bought for them, only to surrender at the first sign of trouble.

It’s not really comparable. Have you read the accounts of their training from the soldiers who trained them?

69000 Afghan soldiers died fighting against the taliban these people are not cowards by any stretch of the imagination we cannot rewrite history.

 

[Sunflower91]

It’s really easy to criticise those Afghans trained by US and Uk military for not fighting back when you sit in a country not torn by war and having never shot someone dead yourself.
Those Afghans received training from some soldiers who were between the ages of 18 and 22- who’d had a years worth of training themselves and who were maybe experiencing war for the first or second time themselves having been abused and bullied by the people who had trained them the skills they’re trying to pass to a stranger with a language barrier. it’s hardily state of the art or the best in the world.

Nothing can prepare you for shooting a human being. Evil or not. Or having to making a judgement call of killing a potentially innocent person just because they are on a phone- and possibly an informant. Some soldiers/ ex soldiers will tell you that it just becomes a job- but I’ve seen first hand that it lives with them and not necessarily in a PTSD way.

Its not like a video game where you get a handy red icon to say “this is a bad guy”. You have one life not multiple when you’re being shot at in empty fields with no cover or on rooftops and not able to see who’s shooting at you or when you’re trying to cross an empty path filled with mines. Honestly I can’t blame people for being scared and doing what they can to survive.

Then there’s the fact that the taliban are also running around with weapons and training given to them by the US during the Cold War.

 

[hellothere_]

TRIGGER WARNING.

I really don’t have a huge problem with refugees, some good and some bad like everywhere on the planet. I know of a guy, he is Syrian…the Syrian army broke into his home and r@ped and shot his sister in front of him. It was then him and his dad decided to leave the country (his mum wasnt alive anymore unfortunately), he now lives in the UK (his dad has since died) and he is one of the kindest people. His since came out as gay, his also very disabled now too…he wouldn’t have stood a chance in Syria. He lives a very lonely life with no family, a refugees life is very very hard and challenging. His plagued with PTSD, the sound of a plane triggers him along with lots of other triggers. I wonder how many others have a story like that, but isn’t heard of because not a lot of people take the time to know them as a person just just labels them.