Even the Magdalene laundries were open until 1997 in Ireland which was practically imprisonment and slavery
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I read a very interesting article about our views regarding refugees by Simon Kuper in the Financial Times (quite a long time ago, regarding Syria) basically saying that a situation like that in the 1940s where we accepted lots of Jewish people, especially children, would be difficult to happen now as then people could imagine themselves in that situation, whether because of geographical proximity, cultural similarities or just how it seemed like a probable situation that could happen in the UK due to the state of the world, whereas now something like the Taliban/Syrian conflict etc doesn't seem like that
Really the west was just as backward in some ways. Remember when women showing more than their ankles was considered shocking
The only things we don't do are stoning, making women cover themselves, and severe punishments for stealing etc. Imagine if we cut hands off or caned people for stealing these days.
and it is not really that long ago students could be caned in schools!Really the west was just as backward in some ways. Remember when women showing more than their ankles was considered shocking
The only things we don't do are stoning, making women cover themselves, and severe punishments for stealing etc. Imagine if we cut hands off or caned people for stealing these days.
Just caught the footage of the Afghan lady handing over her 2 yr old daughter to the US soldiers on BBC News.
That's heartbreaking
That's heartbreaking
I didn't grow up in Ireland, but moved here at 18, so I wasn't aware of the existence of the Magdalene laundries at first. I watched the movie and I have to say, it scared me for life. I had to watch it in two parts because I couldn't handle watching it in one go. I haven't watched it since and after watching it, I kept thinking about it for days. This was just a movie, I can't begin to imagine what it was like in real-life.
Control and it's supposedly benign vehicle, Religion is always at the root of these stories.
Indeed.
I've witnessed first hand how religion can be used by some people as a way to control other people. I'm not against religion at all, but I don't agree with the fact that some people use religion as the reason for every single unreasonable decision/rule they come up with.
It’s also young men. The same with the boats across the channel. Young men the majority of the time. I don’t think people would have such an issue if it was women and children or the elderly coming for safety.Exactly. I get they're all pretty desperate but why are the vast majority who are trying to flee at the airport males? Where are the wives, daughters, sisters, aunty's, nieces, grandma's etc. They just leaving them behind???When if anything they are most in danger.
Would absolutely disagree with his stance. The world is much 'smaller' due to education, internet access, social media. Therefore people would have some idea of what to expect if they left their home country. If I had to suddenly move to Poland, I could access a language app on my phone, I could look up where to buy clothes, food etc and if I wanted to practice a religion, I would be able to find out where to go to do this.
However, this can make people a bit twitchy because people can assimilate at a faster rate than previously and that is perceived as a threat.
There were far fewer cultural similarities in the past, Britain is much more diverse now than 1940s
If you are coming from a country where it is unsafe for you as a female to just be a female, you are going to stay where you are until it is safe for you to leave.
Most people I know do not have a problem with whether its a male or female trying to get to safety.
I cannot understand this stance that because its men trying to be safe, its a problem. Surely its just a person trying to be safe?
I don’t get why men aren’t helping their women to escape? The women are going to suffer the most under the Taliban rule or any draconian government. It seems wrong to leave your female family members behind to face poverty, grape or death so you can have a new life.
Airports are a mess also (and seem to have been since the start), so it's not surprising that women with children are reluctant to be going out and may instead be depending on their husbands/sons/whoever to do so. Plus, we don't know how their families feel about this
Pen Farthing's wife and female employee with her child went to the airport, got crushed and not even allowed past the gate despite the wife being and expat (not sure on the state of the female employee tbh but I imagine it's the same). They got to the safe zone and said they refuse to go back until it's fully secured because the airport is such a mess and the experience was understandably traumatic
This whole stance against men who's stories we don't know and experience we probably don't understand is just low. It's the same with Reddit and other people online having some sort of stance against the Afghan army for not fighting (Reddit has been sharing so many training videos where the Afghan trainees come off as bad/poorly trained) ... and it's like, you cannot blame them when they were predicted to lose anyway. Plus the corruption.
Many would still have an issue regardless of who they are, most are concerned about the increasing numbers coming here via this route.
So many terrorist attacks in Europe are carried out by refugees who have been supported by tax payers. All these men fleeing their wives and children to leave them in a hell hole I doubt will make much of a positive contribution to society. Of course not all are bad, but sadly a significant percentage are.
What are
What are the stats around this, out of interest?
What are the stats on that?
I think people now are sympathetic to Afghans escaping and that's cool and all, but we all know how those conversations end or get twisted once the media stops covering it an awful lot. Plus, imo, we may see another rise in people crossing countries illegally because the West isn't doing/going to be doing enough to help or being very selective with who they're helping
Here's an article from 2020 about asylum seekers going through the Channel for example
Some articles from 2018-19 say that Briton's are generally more sympathetic and it's a very polarised issue which is fair and I think could be accurate, but that's still a fair amount of people who are referring to refugees as 'invaders' or whatever
reading some of the stories today of families throwing their children over the razor wire I. The hope they’ll make it out of the country and a 2 year old alone in the airport with a passport. Same age as my child. I am in tears, my son is sat next to me cuddling in watching a Disney film while our dinner cooks, I’ve just finished work….meanwhile all of that is going on.
I want to do something to help.
I want to do something to help.
I don't think people are that sympathetic really, people tend to be more disgusted really about British born people really struggling and not getting the access to houses etc that a lot of immigrants appear get straight away. I know someone who has worked with The Syrian refugees as part of their resettlement programme and they don't think its right at all.
I personally do think we need to help immigrants but that we also need to help our own people as well. Its not right that there's a severe housing shortage in this country and that U.K born people often have to wait 10 years plus for a council house or are told to piss off. This is the Governments fault, not the refugees.
I personally do think we need to help immigrants but that we also need to help our own people as well. Its not right that there's a severe housing shortage in this country and that U.K born people often have to wait 10 years plus for a council house or are told to piss off. This is the Governments fault, not the refugees.