Afghanistan

[thegirlscout]

It's a heartbreaking situation. Them people clinging onto the plane just shows you how desperate these people are. I think like IF they were to pull out it should have been more gradually bit by bit, not just so sudden. The Taliban claim they are reformed now, not like the old Taliban from 2 decades ago and that they will let women have rights to education and work etc.

I'd like to believe that true but we'll see if it's all just sweet talk at the moment. If they are so called calmer now why did I see a poster of a women on a salon shop window sprayed over or was it taken down, the other day?? She didn't look inappropriate or anything

In one Provence they allegedly shot dead a woman because she wasn’t wearing a burqa.
Some interesting comments I read online about the situation, some people think this could be positive and some people think we should stop acting like they are still the ragtag bunch from the 1990s.

 

[Miss Havisham]

“Red Herrings about women’s rights”.
“A historic defeat of Colonialism”.

 

[thegirlscout]

“Red Herrings about women’s rights”.
“A historic defeat of Colonialism”.

Yes he seems pretty idiotic about it all. I think Sana Saeed makes some interesting points but Yvonne going on about it being a trading bloc that we should work with (is that what she’s saying??) is nuts.

 

[Happy Lady]

Hardly any women have been rescued as the men dash to freedom leaving their wives and families behind. Why?

Biden said the Afghans did not help the US to fight for their own country. Why?

Where will these 20,000 live when they arrive into the UK? Will they be given work or take benefits?

And how can anyone do this?

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Another poster called the Taliban animals. They are much worse, and it is frightening to think of the future, not only in their own country, but across the world.

Did anyone watch Question Time last night about this. It was very revealing. The worrying point made is that Taliban members could "escape" from Afghanistan at any time hiding under Burkas, so any part of the world could end up with them causing harm, death and devastation.

 

[Savannah_xx]

Exactly. I get they're all pretty desperate but why are the vast majority who are trying to flee at the airport males? Where are the wives, daughters, sisters, aunty's, nieces, grandma's etc. They just leaving them behind??? When if anything they are most in danger.

 

[Penelope Strawberry]

In one Provence they allegedly shot dead a woman because she wasn’t wearing a burqa.
Some interesting comments I read online about the situation, some people think this could be positive and some people think we should stop acting like they are still the ragtag bunch from the 1990s.
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Oh, that small pesky detail of women's rights!

Roshan M Salih seemingly isn't aware of how Gaddafi's anti-colonial rule in Libya turned out?

 

[Warpaint]

The thing they normally say is the men get to a country of safety and then bring the family over. But they never take immigration laws into account so the family almost never gets to come.

 

[Notworthy]

The thing they normally say is the men get to a country of safety and then bring the family over. But they never take immigration laws into account so the family almost never gets to come.

I recall the BBC interviewing a man fleeing from Syria and he admitted on camera he left his elderly mother and family because they were holding him up!!

 

[the_moonins]

Is anyone else sick to death of seeing the politicians… usually men in suits…saying things like “we should wait and see and judge the Taliban by their actions”?!! What is wrong with these people?!! Are they completely unaware of what’s gone on in the past 20-30 years?? Can they not see the desperation of the Afghan’s at the airport? Do they have no empathy at all?? Mother’s are throwing their babies over razor wire to the soldiers, and people are clinging to planes that taking off. Honestly it’s making me feel sick at the moment - I wake up feeling sick in the morning thinking about the people. I was awake most of last night.

And as for USA saying they “don’t have the capacity” to evacuate large numbers of people!!! WHAT?! Honestly, Biden has seriously gone down in my estimation. How can anyone turn their backs on these people and live with themselves? I feel so sorry also for the young soldiers out there that are faced with it all and having to make the decisions - some are young men in their early 20s

 

[Savannah_xx]

The thing they normally say is the men get to a country of safety and then bring the family over. But they never take immigration laws into account so the family almost never gets to come.

They say that, but exactly, that plan dosen't exactly always work out. So best to just try bring them with you.

 

[Warpaint]

They say that, but exactly, that plan dosen't exactly always work out. So best to just try bring them with you.

It's them justifying it in their own minds

 

[Mrs loizou]

Wow, there are so many views that need debunking on here.

The Taliban operates under the guise of Islam. It does not stand for the same values and beliefs as Muslims. Its a bit like saying all Catholics represented the views of the IRA. I can already hear 'yeah but sharia law says..'. Well, the bible says 'an eye for an eye' but we arent condemning Christians as violent are we??

The hijab is not something that the Taliban are mandating. It's the burqa, amongst other things that directly and disproportionately affect women that they attempt to enforce.
The hijab, for most Muslim women, represents a freedom of choice that they make. When people start talking about banning it, this is so bloody thick because it is actually enforcing women to dress in a particular way which is the very thing that they believe the hijab does!

Women are in hiding in Afghanistan, they are already too scared to leave the house, the homes where there are women/girls of marrying age have already been branded - they arent going to be on the runway at the ariport, they are waiting until they know its safe to leave and they have somewhere safe they can go to. That means their dad/brother/cousin sorts that out and then they will probably feel they can leave safely.

Those on the runway are likely to have worked for the government, been in positions of power, worked for the military etc. And they are more likely to be men in ANY country, not least a country where there has historically been a culture of women not being in work

The Taliban never went away whilst the US troops were there. They didn't collapse. They simply became stronger, as is now evidenced, because they continued to terrify normal Afghans into joining them.

Ask yourself this: If your brother/dad/husband was being trained by the British Army to fight the Taliban, and one night, you had a knock at the door and it was the Taliban with a message for you and your family. That message being: you are going to fight for us once the army leaves and if you dont then your wife and daughters are going to be grape, and then forced to marry one of our soldiers. We are watching you
What would you do? What would you expect your husband to do?

Also ask yourself: If you saw the Taliban jump the gates into Downing Street and Johnson left on a jet plane, would you feel your country was a safe place to be? Would you do everything you could to leave?

This is a humanitarian crisis and anyone who fails to see this because they are concerned about a minute number of people (mostly those who have worked for the UK) being given refuge in one of the richest, most stable countries in the world, should really head over to the comments section on the daily mail instead.

 

[Miss Havisham]

I don’t believe that mass evacuation whilst letting the Taliban take over Afghanistan is any sort of answer.
I understand that it shouldn’t be left to US forced alone to keep the Taliban at bay. Rich Middle Eastern countries should do more to keep the Taliban out of neighbouring countries - it’s in their best interests - but saying that, terrorist groups having power like this is a global risk to us all.
Biden talks about Afghan soldiers not doing enough to protect their own country - but the bigger picture is keeping terrorist organisations out of power. Biden can’t be an idiot surely? Or is he just taking us for food?

And where is our middle east peace envoy Tony Blair? What is his opinion on this?

 

[emm]

The thing they normally say is the men get to a country of safety and then bring the family over. But they never take immigration laws into account so the family almost never gets to come.

this only really makes sense in the context of a war zone/people fleeing on dangerous illegal boats, in this case the taliban will soon stop people leaving

I don’t believe that mass evacuation whilst letting the Taliban take over Afghanistan is any sort of answer.
I understand that it shouldn’t be left to US forced alone to keep the Taliban at bay. Rich Middle Eastern countries should do more to keep the Taliban out of neighbouring countries - it’s in their best interests - but saying that, terrorist groups having power like this is a global risk to us all.
Biden talks about Afghan soldiers not doing enough to protect their own country - but the bigger picture is keeping terrorist organisations out of power. Biden can’t be an idiot surely? Or is he just taking us for food?

And where is our middle east peace envoy Tony Blair? What is his opinion on this?

totally agree having such a volatile country is a danger for us all
apparently (according to a friend who now lives abroad from Afghanistan so obviously I dknt know if this is true) both the Taliban and Pakistan are taking advantage of the ability to leave without documents to plant terrorists abroad.

 

[Warpaint]

this only really makes sense in the context of a war zone/people fleeing on dangerous illegal boats, in this case the taliban will soon stop people leaving


totally agree having such a volatile country is a danger for us all
apparently (according to a friend who now lives abroad from Afghanistan so obviously I dknt know if this is true) both the Taliban and Pakistan are taking advantage of the ability to leave without documents to plant terrorists abroad.

There will always be people leaving as people smugglers will pay off the Taliban to get people out.

 

[Sunflower91]

I know there’s been talk of Afghan Soldiers not doing enough etc and just wanted to share some stuff. My partner served two tours of Afghanistan on the front line and would train Afghan soldiers to help protect their country. Now some were absolutely fine but others would be approached by taliban and offered a hell of a lot more money to defect to the taliban. They’d give them information that meant British and American soldiers were ambushed regularly. I don’t know if money was always the reason and there weren’t threats involved to family etc. But it’s undoubtedly hard to keep a trained force together and efficient when there’s promise of safety or a better and more affluent life being offered from the other side.

 

[Tatooine_legend1]

Someone made a good point on the radio last night. A female caller said it's all well and good us trying to implement our ideals on Afghanistan, but this country didn't give women the vote until almost 100 years ago. grape was only made illegal in 1968 in Britain. Can we really sit on the high horse in this situation?

 

[Warpaint]

Someone made a good point on the radio last night. A female caller said it's all well and good us trying to implement our ideals on Afghanistan, but this country didn't give women the vote until almost 100 years ago. grape was only made illegal in 1968 in Britain. Can we really sit on the high horse in this situation?

The narrative now from the world leaders is 'Let them get on with it'

 

[Mrs loizou]

I don’t believe that mass evacuation whilst letting the Taliban take over Afghanistan is any sort of answer.
I understand that it shouldn’t be left to US forced alone to keep the Taliban at bay. Rich Middle Eastern countries should do more to keep the Taliban out of neighbouring countries - it’s in their best interests - but saying that, terrorist groups having power like this is a global risk to us all.
Biden talks about Afghan soldiers not doing enough to protect their own country - but the bigger picture is keeping terrorist organisations out of power. Biden can’t be an idiot surely? Or is he just taking us for food?

And where is our middle east peace envoy Tony Blair? What is his opinion on this?

Blair resigned from that post on 2015 and when he was in role, it was focused on the Israel/Palestine conflict.

We are responsible for sorting this out, ans more so than other neighbouring countries. Why? Because we got involved, and there was undoubtedly a financial motive (oil) for us as a nation.

Mass evacuation is the only answer at the moment, you only need to look at Poland in 1940s to see what would happen if people stayed

 

[mcfeez]

Someone made a good point on the radio last night. A female caller said it's all well and good us trying to implement our ideals on Afghanistan, but this country didn't give women the vote until almost 100 years ago. grape was only made illegal in 1968 in Britain. Can we really sit on the high horse in this situation?

I think people forget things like as many younger generation have been born with these rights so the rights themselves seem like they must be old. Marital grape for example only became illegal in 1992. Another shocking one is divorce only became legal in Ireland in 1996!