2024 US Election

[veronica71]

I don’t think that many people think Kamala Harris is a GREAT candidate. However, she’s the candidate and hopefully the next President.
It’s a very low bar, but calling her a “bag of nothing” when she’s up against a racist, treasonous, lying, convicted rapist is a hell of a choice.

I heard a journalist say her weakness was that she had a tendency to waffle which makes me wonder if they just don't even listen to Trump.

 

[Bobby Chariot]

I have the bigliest & bestest suntan in the entire history of suntans

 

[Grifty Mc]

Have you noticed that Trump supporters all look like the Beverley Hillbillies? Much like Reform UK supporters over here there is certainly a type isn’t there?

To be honest it is just journalist types seeking out people to speak. This is like saying anyone pro lgbt has blue hair or Green Party activists are all cardigan wearing hippies. If the trump supporters filmed were middle aged African Americans there isn’t a chance in hell you would have made that post.

 

[Bobby Chariot]

The Trump rallies have turned into something you'd see on The God Channel....call 09819 - 2345 - DOLLAR.
He's been sent by God says Marjorie Taylor Greene, she reckons the US flag turned into an Angel behind Trump as he was shot at.
Fuck me

 

[SpindleWhorl]

It shouldn't have been like this. When Biden won in 2020 I though it was a given he'd only do 4 years then hand over to someone else. He's made a complete laughing stock of the Democrats by trying to hang on when he's clearly incapable. Well whoever wins the nomination will have their work cut out for them. It will take someone truly spectacular to halt the Trump juggernaut now.

 

[shellie]

He's now refusing to do any more debates. It's not because she handed him his ass. Nope, it's because he 'clearly won', and Kamala only wants another because he ran rings around her.

Trump rules out another presidential debate against Harris

Two days after the pair's first showdown, the Republican says his Democratic rival only wants a rematch because he won.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[bluefoot]

Don’t let perfect stand in the way of good. Don’t let good stand in the way of OK. OK is better than the truly awful.

if, when it comes down to it, you prefer Trump to Harris, well

 

[IHateHadargoyle]

Parking myself here for the next few months I didn’t realise there was a thread

I’m a Brit and find American politics fascinating. I find the view that non-Americans can’t possibly understand American politics downright bizarre. Information on the system is incredibly accessible and if someone wants to understand it, the tools are there. That’s not even mentioning the fact that the goings on in American politics are constantly rammed down the throats of many other countries, so, even if you aren’t interested, you’re likely to know a good deal.

I can’t see Harris having a hope in hell of winning this, sadly, even though he doesn’t look to be too far ahead of her in most polls at the moment. I hope I’m wrong and her campaign turns it around. The Charli XCX branding stuff is… I’m not a fan, but I guess the focus is on the younger voters.

It certainly can be understood but it takes a lot of work. My earlier comment was made because some of the comments on this thread are woefully misinformed.
I believe that Kamala has an excellent chance of winning because women in America are pissed off at the misogynistic rhetoric of the Republican Party. Calling governing women childless crazy cat ladies, taking away our reproductive rights, forcing their white nationalist religion down our throats, and their assault rifles that kill our children has lit a fire under our lady parts! Keep Kamala and Carry On.

 

[Bobby Chariot]

Exactly Biden’s so called stutter only became a thing to try and cover up all the shite he comes away with. Trump is pretty much the same guy he was in 2016. Same def can’t be said for Biden.

Donald's not quite "the same guy he was in 2016", he's now a convicted fraudster & known sexual predator.

 

[Smca53]

When the 2024 campaigning properly kicked off, the last thing I thought I’d see from the Democrats was a positive and engaging campaign

I can’t quite believe it seems to be turning into that, but I am so here for it

 

[PeteM]

100 hours of Epstein on tape ... lot's on Trump. Oh my.

It doesn't matter. There's nothing that could be revealed about Trump that would put off many of his supporters - which of course reflects very badly on them.

 

[Ndrangheta]

Kamala likes to laugh. Crime of the fucking century. I'd suggest laughing is just what we need to counter the perpetual doom-loop corporate news broadcasting promotes, day-in and day-out.

 

[Ndrangheta]

The way the corporate media normalise this rapist and convicted felon is frightening. I was just irritated before, now I'm actually becoming concerned.

 

[NeverEnough]

Man gets shot in ear.
Oh, am a gonna vote for him now.
Am I missing something ‘ere?

Man gets shot in ear. Inches from death.
Another man gets killed.
Two more are seriously injured.
Some aspects of the MSM and some of the darker corners of social media blames the victims.

Yes I think you are missing something, empathy, sympathy, and basic human decency. We can start there....

 

[Knight of Galador]

“Part of the elite”. Yes, well done, in terms of his money and lifestyle, of course he is. Who cares?

Real elitism is being in the immensely privileged position of sitting on the sidelines constantly shouting racism, homophobia, transphobia and disablism without the faintest interest in - or idea about - the actual daily struggles of ordinary Americans and how that might motivate them to vote.

Elitism is seeing everything through the lens of identity politics because you personally don’t really have any other problems and don’t have the imagination to see that others do. Elitism Is being amazed that women could vote for Trump - and being convinced that the only reason is that these women hate women.

Elitism is the Hollywood crowd, Julia Roberts, Meryl Streep, George Clooney, the tech giants and the MSM moguls, who have no interest in ordinary working class or even middle class people. It’s the Clintons and the Obamas who utterly failed to live up to their promise, so far removed from ordinary life that they can tell black men that the only reason they might have for not voting for Harris is sexism.

So yes, Trump is wealthy and successful and in that regard “part of the elite”. So what?

The vast majority of people who care about racism, homophobia and transphobia and ableism in the US are ordinary Americans with the same daily struggles that you allude to. With the exception of W. Bush in 2001 the Repubicans haven't won the popular vote in decades Trump has lost by record amounts both times, that would suggest that the majority of Americans do not agree that Trump cares about their daily struggles...unless you're suggesting that every Democrat voter is some out of touch coastal elite.

Then of course we have the racial and ethnic minorites living in the US that are the victims of prejudice, the LGBT+ community and disabled people, the vast majority of which come from low income working class backgrounds. The prejudice they face is very much an every day issue for them but you very casually dismiss them all. Wanna tell some poor black kid in the South the racism he faces daily is not a big deal and anyone who cares about it is an out of touch elitish. How about telling a young girl who made a mistake and wants an abortion but can't get one that sexism isn't a problem.

The right does identity politics too. Their whole schtick about is constant pandering to straight, white, Christian males and their imagined problems. Not that they are above trotting out surrogates like Candace Owens, Milo Yiannopoulos to 'prove' they are not bigoted and be lecture us on how it's the left that are the real racists and homophobes. Trump has no shortage of celebrity surrogates either from Hulk Hogan, Kid Rock and Scott Baio and he has the biggest tech bro in Elon Musk using his vast resources to spread disinformation for him. I don't know how much more MSM you can get than Fox News who is the biggest and most well funded news channel in America (and also provably the most dishonest) not to mention the glut of 'alternative' media outlets that receive huge funding from shady characters Mercer's, the Koch Brothers (the still living ones anyway), Peter Thiel and of course the Russian Government.

I'm not exactly a fan of the Clintons or the Obamas but it's strange that you denounce them for not turning the US into a Utopia, Clinton presided one of the greatest economies in history and reduced the amount of Americans that had to use welfare to lowest levels in history. Obama rebuilt the economy after the crash and gave healthcare to millions who couldn't previously afford it. Those are fairly significant things which helped millions of every day Americans...what did Trump do? His one significant accomplishment is that gave tax breaks to millionaires. How did that help ordinary Americans? Trump is part of the elite who only serves the elite. He did nothing for ordinary Americans except pander to their prejudices.

 

[Miss Begotten]

Well this is nice.

 

[Smashbox]

Completely disagree. He looked like a fighter and when he pumped his fist in the air… legendary photo.

Biden haha, he probably would have shit his pants for real.

Edit to add I am sure he was frightened but he handled it like a boss.

 

[Gym&Tonic]

I wouldn't talk to Biden either, there's growing suspicion that it's his government's policies that caused the protection for Trump to be so piss poor, and that allowed the shooter to make his shot. Also Biden will probably call and say "I'm sorry for the loss of your cat last Tuesday", such is his state of mind now.

That’s tinfoil hat nonsense. Anyone who believes that probably thinks that 9/11 was an inside job and that Covid jabs had microchips in them.

 

[veronica71]

If his fascist tendencies are so clear and apparent and “all out there”, why do you think so many people, including people of colour, want to vote for him? Isn’t it a bit weird that so many millions of people would actively choose to live in a fascist regime?

Erm Hitler was democratically elected….. when people hear Trumps policies they think he doesn’t mean me, he won’t come after me, he just means those horrible immigrants/black people/liberals.

Trump refuses to accept he lost the last free and fair election, he staged an insurrection because of it, he was quite happy for his Vice President to be hung - that alone should ban him from even running from President before we get to all the other shit he’s done.

But hey Harris stumbles over her words now and then and *checks notes* laughs so obviously they are both the same.

 

[jackolantern]

There should be an age limit on running and then none of this would be a problem. 80 year old men shouldn’t be running the country regardless of any other factor, there is a reason we have retirement.