WhineyWonka
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Love love Love this thread. Not much tea but is it widely known that Gerry McCanns first phone call before calling the police that night was to… none other than Gordon Brown? Apparently they were “acquaintances”
Thank you for sticking up for me. That’s all I was trying to say but it seemed to be interpreted I was some kind of pervert who thought underage sex was acceptable of course it isn’t either then or now! Where I grew up there were quite a few girls getting pregnant underage and they were neither shunned or the fathers prosecuted ( who were most likely over 16). But maybe it varies in different regions no one batted an eyelid much where I grew up it was commonplace.I sort of agree with you. I’m also 45 and when I was 14, I wouldn’t have dated anyone my age. My friends all had boyfriends that were 5 years older than them and no one batted an eyelid. I went to a Catholic school and someone in the year below me got pregnant in what would now be Y9 or Y10, and neither she nor or family were shunned or looked down on. In fact, my friends parents had her when they were 14, but they later went on to get married and her mum went back to University and became a teacher.
It’s not an excuse, but I do think things were different back then. You only have to look at Bill Wyman and Mandy Smith (?). He would have been vilified hopefully if that had happened today and I would be horrified if my 13 year old came home one day with an 18 year old (again, this isn’t an excuse. Even looking back, I can’t understand why an 18yr old would interested in someone 4 or 5 years younger than them unless it’s to exploit them).
I thought he was hilarious because I was a kid at the time he was all over TV but when I look back on it older and wiser it does leave me baffled. All very dated end-of-pier stuff and too much of a mean streak as well even for the time.How Barrymore became popular is a pretty big mystery.
I've always felt sorry for the twins who have had to grow-up with this shit shower hanging over them whilst having little or no recollection of their actual sister.For what it's worth, just imo, I believe Madeline died that night. I'm not going to go into why or how, but I do think she died. I just hope she didn't suffer.
Regardless of my feelings on her parents and/or how much I think they were involved in this is irrelevant, they still lost a child, and it must have destroyed a part of them.
He uses an oversized hairband and ties it behind his back, just like a ponytail. that's why all the of photos are either head on or from the side.James Argent was the size of Jupiter 8 months ago - now he's lost 11 stone. Where has all the excess skin gone ?
Being an annoying twat?The real mystery is what she’s busy doing?
As someone who lost a relative through suicide I spent years thinking he was selfish and as you say a dick move. It was only when I suffered severe depression and suicidal thoughts myself I realised I was wrong, all you think is how much better everyone else would be without you, in your head it feels like selflessness rather than selfishness.Interesting perspective.
I feel like that their loved ones, and who have to deal with the death, might be see it at the very least as a "dick move"
Yes! I’m 45 soon and this is so true - we all thought Mandy Smith was cool cos she had an older boyfriend. My sister who is a couple of years older than me had a friend who was 13 and going out with a 30 year old - didn’t seem odd at all. My friend was 12 and having sex with a 19 year old - again, we just thought ‘wow that’s cool and grown up’ - not WTF is going on?! Her mum used to let him stay over & everything and I lived somewhere quite middle class and ‘nice’, not some shithole. ‘Twas indeed different times in the late 80s/early 90s even!I sort of agree with you. I’m also 45 and when I was 14, I wouldn’t have dated anyone my age. My friends all had boyfriends that were 5 years older than them and no one batted an eyelid. I went to a Catholic school and someone in the year below me got pregnant in what would now be Y9 or Y10, and neither she nor or family were shunned or looked down on. In fact, my friends parents had her when they were 14, but they later went on to get married and her mum went back to University and became a teacher.
It’s not an excuse, but I do think things were different back then. You only have to look at Bill Wyman and Mandy Smith (?). He would have been vilified hopefully if that had happened today and I would be horrified if my 13 year old came home one day with an 18 year old (again, this isn’t an excuse. Even looking back, I can’t understand why an 18yr old would interested in someone 4 or 5 years younger than them unless it’s to exploit them).
Well that was utterly vicious and obviously premeditated and you were lucky to escape with your life really. Did they ever bring any of them to justice?Maybe i do have an old fashioned way of looking at rape I can only go by my experience in which I really didn’t have a choice, I was pinned down by 2 men and the 3rd one raped me I didn’t know them I was taken off the street walking home from work in the back of a van and dumped in the middle of nowhere.But I did put up one hell of a fight which probably made my injuries much worse maybe if I’d of just thoughtok I’ll just go along with this I’d of been better of
Absolutely. Why should they not be able to do something they wanted to do because some sleazy old guy with deformed genitals threatened to ruin you if you didnt sleep with him, and everyone in the industry basically said that that was how you got roles? Everyone was complicit- the publicists, the agents, the gossip sites etc. Maybe they did it because they thought that was the price you had to pay, but it shouldn't have been the price they had to pay to do a job they had worked hard and trained for. The fault lies entirely with the men who made these women ( and men, in some cases) sleep with them for roles, not the victims.I'd say the threat of having their chosen career ruined was a metaphorical loaded gun... The imbalance of power would have made it very difficult to say no, which in itself removes or at least really complicates the idea of 'choice'.
Edit: That said, I'm sure some of the women were affected by it less than others depending on personality type/upbringing/views on what's acceptable or expected as a woman in a male dominated world.
That's a terrible ordeal. I'm sorry you had to go through that. However, most rapes are not like that. They ae perpetrated by people you know. In the HW case, a lot of the actresses were sent up for 'interviews in hotel suites, which is quite common, as that's where crew are put up on film shoots and were greeted by him naked. They were then told by publicists just to get on with it. When faced with being alone with a half naked, very large man who has the power to destroy your life. There is also the situation where maybe when you are very young, you go along with something then you don't see that it was wrong until afterwards, or what an abuse of power it was. Its the same where you get older teachers or others in a position of power apparently 'consesnually' sleeping with much younger people they have influence over. The young person may have technically 'consented' but is it true consent or is it an abuse of power?Maybe i do have an old fashioned way of looking at rape I can only go by my experience in which I really didn’t have a choice, I was pinned down by 2 men and the 3rd one raped me I didn’t know them I was taken off the street walking home from work in the back of a van and dumped in the middle of nowhere.But I did put up one hell of a fight which probably made my injuries much worse maybe if I’d of just thoughtok I’ll just go along with this I’d of been better of