kbjhguih

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tw sexual assault mention, no detail

That’s a non apology. What about the actual people you have hurt? Why aren’t you apologising to the black community, the Asian community, the countless survivors of sexual assault and other horrific crimes etc

This isn’t an apology this is a ‘hey can we move on from this now, gossip forums bad, my friends r crying.’
 
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hhheyyyy

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Why does ‘incredibly sorry for the behaviour of my PAST self’ feel passive aggressive
Like couldn’t she have just left it at sorry for my behaviour
Take responsibility
 
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hhheyyyy

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You know I really don’t think we can compare girls using slurs like r*tard and m*ng flippantly when they were young to what Polly has said!!! Yes these words are very very wrong but you can definitely learn the meanings of them, stop using them and be sorry as you grow up, it’s a bit different to the hate Polly was spewing imo, like I’m quite sure Kara is much younger than Polly, so I’d go as far to say she was about 13 in those tweets
 
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strawberry1235

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More influencers denouncing her on twitter
To be a Conservative for a second here... I'm a believer in free markets and if people want to cancel Polly or are disinclined to buy from Sighh then that's their right to do so after all she's not entitled to our service...

The thing with Fox hunting (such a daintly term for animal abuse) is imagine this...

Imagine a bunch of working class black kids on a Manchester council estate wearing tracksuits, riding mopeds, beeping their horns, hunting a Fox with Pitbull Terriers hoping that they corner it and catch it, so they can watch the dogs tear it to absolute shreds.

Except for the pomp & circumstance, the race and the different social class, can someone please point towards the difference?? I'm struggling.

The epitome of white and upper class privlege personified.
 
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user797818

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If you look at literally all of those weird 0 follower accounts set up to defend Polly the thing they have in common is that they kept going on about how the person on the exposed account is anonymous. They’re obviously her family desperate to know who’s running it, presumably so they can bully them off it or expose the tweeter themselves.
“STOP BEING ANONYMOUS!”
- Anonymous account
 
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extra_extra

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Why is it always "i had bad mental health at the time"

I have bad mental health but i don't go around spouting racist abuse online
 
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judgejohndeed

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That family are definitely the type who think anyone can have anything they want if they just work hard enough. I doubt Polly has any understanding of how privileged she is for doing what she does. I bet Polly thinks she worked sooooooo hard to achieve what she achieved.
Polly-Mae
 
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judgejohndeed

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The problem with this kind of 'right of redemption' everyone keeps talking about for influencers etc is that it comes at the cost of other people having to forgive and forget, which isn't fair to force on people affected. How do you balance that? People can follow who they want on social media, they can buy products from whoever they want, they can collaborate with who they want. Does this 'right of redemption' involve making people continue following/buying/working with a person they now find unpleasant? I would also say the more public the hateful speech, as well as the volume of it, should be proportionate to the action taken by the person who spewed it. It annoys me when these things are all bandied together under the 'cancel culture' umbrella to be honest. We are not talking here about one or two occasions (as Polly's Mum seemed to think) or even one marginalised group (not that this would make it better). I was literally sat with my mouth open reading what Polly had said, as a rape survivor especially I can't get what she said out of my mind. The idea that someone would hear about my experience and sit there gleefully thinking 'I'm glad that isn't me' - it turns my stomach. I think it is fair that the consequences for so many posts like that over such a long period have to be greater?
 
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kckckcxxx

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It sounds like her employees are sticking by her side too… which reminds me of the quote:
“If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor”
 
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ECH

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There's a huge amount of performative leftism from people who vote Tory when they move to Manchester and feel embarrassed that their views aren't the accepted norm there. Fully believe this is what's been going on with her.
 
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kckckcxxx

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Polly’s mums reaction gives a very interesting insight into what’s being said behind closed doors about the situation
 
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Lurker5053

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To Polly, who I hope (and think likely!) Is reading this.

1) it's not an apology if you don't apologise to your victims.
2) it's not an apology if you use it as a way to gain future sales ("I'm donating a percentage of profits going forward")
3) it's not an apology if you use it to promote your business - giving packs of your own products to schools??? Jesus the entitlement of thinking your products are so amazing vulnerable kids will benefit from them.
4) it's not an apology if you blame the people who discovered your awfulness, for discovering it. Slides 2 and 4 are the worst for this - "there has to be a better way of encouraging growth"??!!!
5) it's not an apology if you blame people knowing you're a bigot for your staff's livelihoods struggling. You being a bigot is why they are affected.
6) it's not an apology if you don't take personal responsibility - I am slightly older than you, from a not dissimilar background and never spewed an iota of the hate you did. About 4 years ago I self confronted how I had used to use the word 'gay' in a harmful way - I've donated monthly since then to multiple charities around the world fighting homophobia, as well as being a vocal ally at work and socially when homophobia rears its head. I've never denied that I used gay inappropiately as a slur and I've used my own experience when working with teens go help them recognise how 'jokey' slurs still cause pain and should be stopped. I still don't feel like I've redressed the wrong, I would never deny it, and I will live my whole life honestly with that guilt.
7) it's not an apology if you blame your mental health - guilting your audience into never mentioning your bigotry again.
8) it's not an apology if you try to control how your audience respond ("I would have started a conversation").
9) it's not an apology if you reframe the goal - "you should empathize with me" rather than "I did awful things and I am sorry".
10) it's not an apology if you like responses excusing you for what you did and said.

And the biggest one - it's not an apology if you don't acknowledge EXACTLY what you said and did, taking responsibility for how it was uniquely you who made the decision to put that insane negativity and hatefulness out there, and let your whole audience make an informed decision on whether to follow you.
 
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