maytoseptember

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I think someone needs to be done when it comes to educating girls about sex and bodily boundaries if “vanilla” is seen as the most tragic and pathetic thing you can be 🤷‍♀️

It’s no doubt a discussion for another thread but I’m not comfortable with the normalisation of extreme (and sometimes dangerous) sex acts at all.
 
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JoanieDee

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He seems odd.
That’s an unkind thing to say.
I actually went to art uni with Tom. Funnily enough Pixie was there too, I think she was doing a foundation year.
He was very gentle and incredibly kind. Just a bit eccentric.
I remember him wearing the tightest jeans with big, chunky dr Martens and I thought he looked so cool. I went out and bought the same dr Martens. 😂
 
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FrannyGallops

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god this is even more insane than I thought, I can never imagine this on breakfast tv now! it is insane how much less polished everything was! he seems quite disinterested and she is really all over him
Do you really think he seems disinterested? He can’t take his eyes off her. I honestly think he looked as into her as she is to him.
 
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LoopyLou47

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Carrying on from the previoys thread, I think Paula, and later Peaches ' earth mother ' shtick was just that. Maybe it was guilt that they were addicts ( to men and/or drugs) so knew they actually couldn't look after their children properly, so felt they had to lie about it because they desperately wanted to be something they couldnt be. Attachment parenting when you are an addict is more dangerous than just being a detached parent and not having your child on you all the time when you can roll on them while off your face, and feeding them methadone through your breastmilk. I remember Paula's earth mother hanky in the hair phase too. It didn't last long, but she managed to talk a load of old rubbish too, the same as Peaches did during her brief earth mother phase. It was all an act.
 
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Gym&Tonic

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To be honest Bob just left them all to parents themselves, I don’t think he was a good dad. Yes the three older girls all lived in a self contained flat together. I think it was basement flat under his house. Three young teenagers living on their own in central London, that wasn’t going to end well. Sadly.
 
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Lizzie Mintdrop

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I think sex positive feminism has been quite negative for many women, it's been co-opted by abusive men who use vulnerable women for sex. The only reason a group of men would want a blow job from the same woman one after the other is to use and objectify her. I'm disgusted by this too, not one of those men thought 'is this ok'. I know she was a grown woman but they were grown men too and should have seen her as a person, not a receptacle for them to spunk into
 
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Rekyavikgirl

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The Gerry Agar book describes the reverence he has for women, sexually. Paula had an infection down below and explained to Michael that sex wasn't possible, he explained that he would work around it sort of thing, and embraced the issue and worked with it, didn't make her feel dirty or uncomfortable, made her feel comfortable and clean if that makes sense? He embraced every part of her womanhood, the good, the uncomfortable, everything, that most men would definitely shy away from. That's as sexy as it comes imho. 🔥
Or he could have left her to heal and showed love in other ways?
 
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heatmagazine

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Slow on the uptake but just read the Pete Doherty article from the Guardian in 2019. I genuinely thought he was clean, I last read about him about 4 years ago when he had just got out of rehab. Turns out he’s still a fucking mess
I was in a rehab with him years ago, had paps all around the grounds trying to get a sneak preview of him. & kat slater. It was so funny because every time a celeb walked it we all automatically pretended we didn’t know who they were and would talk to them as though they were strangers in the street. ‘Hello, what’s your name?’ 😂😂😂😂😂
 
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RedMagnolia

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They were all shagging each other too. Pearl Lowe and Sadie Frost fell out after a bit of wife swapping after Jude Law allegedly fell in love with Pearl (another one I just can’t warm to).
Jude Law was cute. I'd have fallen in love with him - except I have subsequently found out he is a) very short b) a rude inconsiderate wanker c) follicly challenged d) wears awful trainers for ££££ e) is incapable of putting on a condom

Nowt wrong with being short or bald, but the rest - fuck off.
 
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Bobbiewilson

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I remember seeing her on This Morning talking about parenting and taking on Katie Hopkins. She came across totally in control, healthy and well. Very sad when the news broke. Still one I think about now
 
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This is probably unpopular, but I thought Paula Yates was an atrocious Mother, too interested in hooking up with Michael Hutchence than looking after her kids. I couldn't bear Peaches when she was alive but was very sad when she died - 25 is no age.
 
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AnnaBananaPie

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This is such an interesting thread. I’m not even sure why I’m so fascinated by it all, just her whole family history is so crazy
 
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emm

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I was a heroin addict for years. I did get clean when I was 19, but quickly relapsed. Nobody knew until I was 25. Honestly I was injecting and smoking heroin, behind my partners back, still working and still studying. You can be totally functional on it. Anybody you look at can be on it and you not realise. Fat, thin, poor, rich, CEOs, bar tenders, mothers in the playground, health care professionals. There is even a charity dedicated to helping drs go to rehab in secret, signed off for ‘stress’. I met an anaesthetist once and he used to use the ‘magic milk’ used after each operation. If you know how to inject properly, & you learn along the way, & needle exchanges are happy to help you (learn) if you rotate areas nobody will notice. Sometimes you will have bruising or swollen hands. Esp if you’ve been smoking crack and then try to inject you make a right mess of yourself. Peaches didn’t have tell tell signs of heroin addiction. Because we don’t all look the same. People do use heroin without being addicted too. I know many of people that only use on pay day for a treat. They are known as giro junkies. However, anybody can be using at any time. I think smoking it gives it away more because you’ll be off your head and end up with black all over your face by itching your nose or black on your front teeth. Btw I’m 4 years clean now. Was just giving my pearls of wisdom regarding peaches and her H use.
Ntothing to add to this as I have no idea about any of this, but well done for staying clean for so long, such an achievment ❤
 
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Moobiemoo

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I read a lot of things about Paula and Michael, also seen all the documentaries about Michael as I was a big fan

My understanding was that Peaches had been hiding her drugs from Thomas in the house and going to meetings to get clean. He may well have not known exactly what she was doing but knew she was trying.

I really think Bob always struggled with his girls, he was not a traditional parent because by a young age they had already lived a showbiz whirlwind lifestyle and he was very distraught by his divorce and all that happened in the 2 years after it and losing Paula. I don’t think he dealt with his grief/anger very well. He was publicly blamed for decades for Michaels death by Michaels family. It very much ruined his career too. Bob was trying to stop Paula taking the girls out of school and moving to Australia to be with Michael on tour. Bob did not want them to go and both Paula and Michael were angry he had ruined their plans (by trying to keep them in school, and have a stable life). Paula did the same thing and died on Pixies 10th birthday, leaving Tiger alone in the house with her dead body.

I honestly can’t imagine how Peaches dealt with what happened in her early life and it is so sad she also became addicted to drugs but I don’t think it was suspicious
 
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Jelly Bean

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Sad to read that the ex girlfriend gets the blame - despite there being “alcohol and cocaine” in his bloodstream when he died.
My ex husband sustained a bad brain injury around the same time as MH from a car crash.
The information around long term damage around it was almost non existent. So different to now. We were told he would be back to 'normal' in a couple of months (and these were top specialists). We were offered no ongoing support, counselling services or information. His personality changed and decades later he is still feeling the effects.
How on earth Helena C was meant to understand the ramifications and significance of such an injury, when the medical profession didn't, is staggering.
Hutchence's family are clutching at straws over who to blame.
 
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Vanillaco

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I think this, in a way, is why people are so shocked by Peaches, as a mother of 2, being a heroin addict. Society expects mothers to put their children before themselves every second of every day & throw off any perceived self centred desires.
So people cannot conceive that actually as someone with childhood trauma who clearly struggled with life before children she was going to struggle with motherhood (especially with 2kids in a year) & turn to her old dysfunctional coping mechanisms.
Motherhood can be indescribably amazing but it can be dull, monotonous & so unbelievable exhausting. Realising what society’s expectations of you as a mother are & that they aren’t the same for fathers can be deflating & soul-destroying.
Peaches was clearly struggling with motherhood but instead of being able to freely admit it she felt compelled to tell all & sundry she was a purist parent.
The narrative around motherhood & the vastly lower standard expected of men needs to be changed.
Absolutely this. I was in my 30's when I had my children, had had an absolute blast in my 20's, had a good job and a house, marriage, did everything right and I found it bloody hard , boring and a huge shock to the system. The media portrays motherhood as some kind of higher calling and all mothers must be saints or sinners. The parenting 'experts' and celebs who are always the 'First Woman To Ever Give Birth' are complicit in this. The reality is an almighty shock to many.
 
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tarotbaby

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They would only have needed to tread very carefully if they were seeking to hide her drug use though. Perhaps they were and she knew that. Peaches, drug user though she was, due to her money and resources probably wouldn’t even have made the terrible parent list, in comparison to what social workers see in other families.
Social Worker here! She had a good support network, husband, family and friends, was a member of a mummy group, and was actively seen to be seeking help while holding down a job and was obviously devoted to her children. Her children were healthy and happy and were adored. We see much much worse cases of children living with drug addicts - and honestly, as awful as it sounds, she probably wasn’t even on the the social work dep radar.
 
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Gflo93

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I often think about Peaches Geldof, it’s such a waste of a life that she is gone. I think it’s because she was only a few years older than me and she seemed to have her whole life together, I was almost jealous of her lovely kids and her super cool husband. I remember where I was, on the bus, when the news about her death came through, and how shocked I was when the verdict came out that it was heroin.

Anyway, I’ve seen quite a few posts in these forums about her and the strange circumstances surrounding her passing. So I thought maybe I would make a thread for her.

There are a few weird rumours that I have seen on here: this blind which I really can’t believe is true at all?! I heard from a friend of a friend who went to school with Thomas Cohen that is is incredibly nice.

He Killed Her: Apparently, he confessed. He got drunk and confessed. He did so to the sister of the woman he killed who he was also sleeping with. He says he killed her because she was going to leave him and take the kids. So, since she already had issues with drugs, he just gave her a little more while she was already passed out and she never woke up. Apparently the sister is not the first person he confessed to. He also confessed to a celebrity ex-girlfriend who is an ex-girlfriend because he told her. She thought she was the only one sleeping with him while he was married, but he was also sleeping with his wife and his sister-in-law. At this point, the whole family knows, and has known for almost two years that he did it. That he killed this celebrity. So far though, the family is willing to sweep it under the rug for the sake of the kids. They had already come to terms with the death and even though he was the one who added the extra to kill her, they have convinced themselves she would have ended up dead anyway. There is so much drug death in that family.
Thomas Cohen / Peaches Geldof
Sister: Tigerlily or Pixie Geldof
Celebrity ex: Daisy Lowe

A link to this thread has been circulated on here, much of which seems far fetched (do I need a tin hat) https://alternaticity.boards.net/th...o discuss but at least here is a place for it.
 
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Vanillaco

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I think her and Paula both dealt with being drug addicts and mothers in the same way. By really going hard on the ' earth mother' business. I dont think it was lying or fake but I think it was a desperate attempt to be a good mother in a fake it til you make it way or as a way of getting away from the lure of drugs by being super wholesome, and telling everyone else how super wholesome they were. Unfortunately it wasnt enough for either of them.
 
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