Hey Freaks! I was going to have toast with butter and jam for breakfast, but I'm a messy lil f*cker and no matter what I do I end up with jam all around my mouth. Would you double cleanse first, do your morning routine, then eat breakfast and wipe up after? Should I double cleanse my chin again? Serums? SPF? Or would you single cleanse, eat, finish with a second cleanse that would also catch any of the residual jam? Not sure if that counts as a 'true' double cleanse IYKWIM. Alternatively, I was thinking about smearing a buffer layer of blue racoon around my mouth after cleansing, eat the toast, then simply wipe away the jam that is caught on the buffer layer. What would you guys do? Can you tell me how you tackle morning routine and breakfast? Maybe I should just give up on the jam toast and stick to a smoothie I can drink with a straw
Does she really think the Police will haul everyone in for an interview because we said her hair looks like a birds nest , her products are over priced or for saying her Liberty counter is tumbleweeds ?.
i deleted my account earlier because i freaked out about the whole criminal activity thing (can you tell i have diagnosed anxiety lol) and my boyfriend just said “you’re not going to get arrested for saying someone looks like ray winstone” so i cancelled my delete request and i’m back in the game
Absolutely gutted. Missed out on a ticket and I'd already got my list of questions ready for the Qween
1. Should I apply SPF50 before I go to bed at night?
2. Is it okay to only apply SPF50 once before bed when it is already dark outside? Should I wake at dawn to reapply or can I wait until I am awake?
3. I am going on holiday next week and am freaking out so bad - should I apply extra SPF50 during the flight as I will be so much closer to the sun?
4. I have had a spreading rash for weeks, before I see the GP, is there any skincare that might help? Not after medical advice, just want some skincare to help me x
5. Not after medical advice, but can you advise what these weird patches are on the back of my knees?
6. I was made redundant last month and lost my cat (he ran away after he ate some of my Oskia cleansing gel - it's the only thing he will eat since he was diagnosed and now every time I wash my face it reminds me and I am grief-stricken all over again) and I spent all my money on flights from Fiji just to come here today. What should I buy (sensitive skin with oily t-zone)?
7. I have brought my friend's sister's aunt with me today. She has only used Dove soap and moisturiser for the last 97 years. Can you suggest a personalised routine for her today? She is adamant it's nonsense, but I know better and have already gifted her The Bible so she has - thank god - got some knowledge now. She doesn't want to go the botox route but is interested in fillers.
8. Can I pay with Klarna today?
9. Where is your jumper from?
10. I know clean beauty is the devil (amen), but I really want to be clean so I am confused. What will happen to me if I clean my face? Does this also count for hair, or is shampoo ok (bit worried about the 'poo' element tbh).
Out of the 22+ million posts we've never seen any death threats. This is a lie influencers have stated repeatably without any evidence, as a user generated site this could have happened (as it does daily on big tech sites) but we've never had it reported and in the current media storm no one has provided a link or screen shot to prove this. Influencers are currently being platformed totally unchallenged to say what they like with no evidence.
Following a social media influencers account on Instagram does not constitute stalking. When you overshare your private life to make money though social media it becomes more of a commodity and less a private life.
It's an inevitable consequence that when you choose to become a public figure you open yourself up to both negative and positive opinions. Social media influencers tend to portray any negativity as abuse, harassment and hate speech.
Our platform exists to talk about social media influencers away from their feed where they would have to go out of their way to read comments. Anyone that interacts with these influencers directly is banned. However it's a very handy tool for influencers to automatically blame any trolling on tattle with yet again zero evidence.
In 2021 a couple of users were discussing the house she was sharing on social media and speculating if she bought it from another social media influencer. They regretted sharing the land registry doc and requested posts deleted shortly after, which they were. The bank name on the publicly accessible information was mentioned rather than any private mortgage details.
For the photos of grandchildren, a photo from her own social media was apparently re-shared. It seems this influencer is disingenuously trying to make it look like people were stalking outside her home rather than it being a photo she put out into the public domain. Her granddaughter was mentioned on tattle because her daughter in law posted publicly calling her "a little bitch". It was raised here as a safeguarding issue as it appeared nobody their end cared. The daughter in law then made her profile private, and was therefore not mentioned any more. Caroline had publicly tagged her multiple times previous to this, nobody had to go digging to see the disgusting post shared by her about a child with no consent to be on the internet, who everyone on tattle anonymised.
Our site exists as there is next to no regulation on social media. Despite there being rules these are flouted constantly and the ASA does not have the resources. Children are turned into a commodity by their parents from the day they're born and no one is looking out for the wellbeing of minors. The current media storm of influencers disliking commentary and critique of their private life that they post on the internet misses the big picture of the negative aspects of social media influencers on society and how more regulation is needed.
It's not transphobic to say that only women get endometriosis. It involves a uterus and only those born with one can get it as far as I know. Why do some people have to take it to the extreme in either direction? I know someone who is transgender and I support them and think everyone should live their life as they wish. However, I don't like some of the misogyny that I see in this debate. Females ARE born with certain body parts and functions that make us unique from those born male, and those body parts and functions are beautiful and we shouldn't be criticised for embracing them as part of who we are, and we shouldn't be made to feel guilty for having those feelings or for the fact that not everyone is born with the same organs and functions.
The threat of her holding tons of info about everyone totally puts me off ever purchasing from her. I am not giving her my email, address, cc/ PayPal details. She clearly doesn’t understand or respect the gdpr/ difference between defamation and someone holding a different opinion to her, or her “freaks”, I would be concerned she would misuse this info in the future.
I know. It's disgusting tbh. Waving 'I know everything about you' over people's heads for the crime of having a fucking opinion on SPF or beef tallow is insane behaviour.
We did save it for our own group and she still wasn't happy.
Rubbish, the vaccine doesn't stop the spread of Covid, it just stops you being seriously ill if you do catch it.
If you have been vaccinated then let those who choose not to be get on with it.
I work for the NHS, I've had my Covid jabs but I fully respect my colleagues who choose not to have the vaccine.
Their body, their choice.
Wrong. Vaccination reduces transmission as well as reducing symptoms, intensity and longevity of the disease, which in itself is going to limit transmission. Fewer symptoms, a less intense illness fought off more easily by the immune system from the start = smaller viral load to spray in others' faces.
How the hell do you work in healthcare and 'respect' antivaxxers, whose whole platform is built on the kind of egregious scientific illiteracy, intense logical fallacies and truly wilful ignorance that should never have been let out of high school with some kind of intervention? I know a few doctors and they have special words for antivaxxers who work in hospitals in any regard at all and none of them are remotely 'respectful'.
As for my body, my choice. That one doesn't really work well outside of abortion arguments. It is their choice to work in healthcare alongside vulnerable patients. That's all. Your choices should end where you start endanger others. If you reject vaccination, you should probably choose to find a job in a field where you aren't around sick people with impaired immune systems on a daily basis. Just like those pharmacists who argue it's their sacred 'choice' not to dispense emergency contraception or the pill or alcohol-based things or indeed anything else that bothers their dainty religious feelings. It should be their choice to find a different field of work if they cannot respect the patient's need for prescribed legal medications.
Short version; in healthcare as a profession, some of your choices affect more than you and that includes vaccinations.
But anyway, big applause! Maybe someone will stand in the street and dopily bang a pan outside for you and your dumb colleagues' entirely uninformed 'choice' to potentially burden the precious NHS with their extra-sickly bodies if they catch COVID without the benefit of having been vaccinated.
Remember the pleas to 'save the NHS' from the burden of hospitalizations due to COVID by staying indoors? The whole stated reason for the interminable lockdowns and infringement on various actual civil liberties and the actual criminalisation of previous freedoms? Save the NHS. Save the NHs. Save the NHS. Broken record since March 2020. How does that chime with your stance that it's perfectly respectable for the same sainted NHS workers to 'choose' to eschew the one thing that is already shown to keep the infected out of the ICU and prevent overburdening the system? Perhaps we all should have made our 'choice' to party at will and risk infecting ourselves instead? You know, if 'my body my choice and fuck everyone else' is really that respectable an argument here.
I truly hope you're actually in some crappy admin job and stuck in a shit office somewhere with that attitude to patient care. No wonder a huge percentage of COVID infections have been consistently spread inside NHS hospitals from day one and continue to be with that cavalier, unscientific attitude. I imagine washing hands is a 'choice' too among some of you. Given the disgusting rates of nosocomial infections even preceding covid, it likely is.
I'd be interested to see how this 'body and choice' mantra fares with you in regard to things like seatbelt and motorbike helmet laws, which actually pose less risk to other people than people who want to hang around hospitals and refuse any disease-limiting vaccinations.
Several years ago, when the name Caroline Hirons wasn’t as infamous as it is now, a well-known London department store offered consultations with her for a fee, redeemable against any purchase made on the day.
My skin had changed quite a bit & from the little I knew of Caroline, I thought she talked some sense & seemed knowledgeable about the skincare market & products.
I booked in (& had to pay in full, in advance) and duly met CH for a skincare consultation. At the time, she was on a personal crusade against mineral oil & Bioderma micellar water. She was nice enough but demanded my medical history & wanted to know my diet and occupation.
I didn’t mind too much & duly supplied the “headlines”. I have a couple of complex, long-term medical conditions, one since childhood & another (at that time) for a decade+. My diet varied massively - as it does now - so I tried to give a rough outline.
When it came to skincare, on make-up/SPF days, I had long been in the habit of double cleansing (before ever hearing of CH) but also explained that oil/balm cleansers “upset” my contact lens (if I was wearing them) hence I tended to use a drop of micellar water on my eyelashes prior to double cleansing the rest of my face, with a flannel!
CH tutted & rolled her eyes at this last revelation and muttered “Don’t pay any attention to me then.”
She proceeded to suggest I go private & have a “scan” to find out “what’s really wrong with you…”.
I asked which scan she’d suggest: ultrasound, CT (+/- contrast), MRI, PET, nuclear scintigraphy etc & which region of the body she’d recommend getting “scanned”?
(Couldn’t hold the sarcasm back at that point).
Diet-wise, she advised I avoid the “nightshade family” as she believed that would make me “better”(!)
Product-wise: she wrote out a lengthy list of products. Some of which I already had but others of which contained her bête noire of the moment: mineral oil!
I proceeded to shop for none of the things on her list, fortunately I didn’t go to see her “privately” - at the time, she also offered “consults” at an office address in West London with none of the fee redeemable anywhere - & said department store had a really good selection of products so it was easy to get the booking fee back.
In general, I found her rather crass. Whilst I’m not a doctor (at least in the human medical field) I am a vet and I’m more than content (happy, grateful, confident) for & with the care and diagnostic efforts made by the (NHS) GPs, consultants, clinical specialist & practice nurses who’ve contributed to keeping me well over the years.
I was flabbergasted that she appeared to proffer medical & dietetic advice with no qualifications in either field. Even her skincare advice seemed contradictory.
So, in summary (congrats if you’ve made it this far!) I’d be confident she will be offering payable consults, with her, via her app. And I’m not at all sure that she should be.
I'm currently having cancer treatment, and I have completely swapped out all my fragranced toiletries etc and actively choose "clean" skincare. I don't actually care if people think I'm stupid for doing this, as Hirons appears to be insinuating that only idiots would be questioning what is in her products. I will do whatever I feel is right for me on my journey, including choosing the beauty products that I want to for whatever reasons-a huge part of recovery is coping with the very real fear of recurrence.
And for many of us being able to take control of things like this is a big deal, for Hirons to belittle that poor woman for is just despicable.
I have disliked her for a long time, but this is something else, I'm absolutely sickened by her reply to her, and why brands continue to use her I've no idea, she is vile
Just out of interest (and, admittedly, boredom during a commute) I totted up the cost of a Skin Rocks routine. If you wanted to go all out and start a new routine from scratch then:
Skin Rocks cleansing balm, cleansing gel, amplifier, hyperpigmentation serum, antioxidant serum, retinal, eye cream, moisturiser, oil and cotton rounds will set you back £662.00
Equivalent routines, with 11 items of equivalent size and ingredients, from:
Boots No.7 will cost you £164.65 (with cotton muslins, not rounds) [No 7 discounts added automatically at checkout]
K-Beauty Brands (iincluding brands such as Heimish, Dr Ceuracle, Some by Mi, Jumiso, CosRX, Pyunkang Yul, Beauty of Joseon and Klairs) will cost you £183.50 (with cotton pads, not rounds) [Free gifts, full size, and samples added at checkout]
Revolution Skincare (everything) and The Ordinary (face oil and retinol) with DHC cotton will set you back £95.60
And, just for fun, Liz Earle (with muslin cloths, but no retinol product) will cost you £219.20. [Automatic discounts applied]
There's just no way SR is worth so much more or that Hirons rep is worth the markup imo.
...plus a polite request, I had another long and boring commute, so instead of idk, learning another language or reading Tolstoy, I decided to do a bit more skincare window-shopping and calculations to see where Skin Rocks stands in the market.
A complete Skin Rocks routine, with reusable cotton rounds, costs £662. Not every brand has reusable rounds or cloths, so I've taken that out of this round of comparisons, so Skin Rocks now stands at a total of £647.
(If anyone is interested: Skin Rocks cotton rounds are £15 for five, or if you prefer cloths it's £22 for three flannels. A quick look elsewhere shows Superdrug do a pack of seven flannels for £7, and have a regular BOGOF offer so fourteen flannels for £7, Pai do a double-sided muslin/flannel combination cloth at £14 for three, and Trinny London offer three muslins for £10)
The SR items are: cleansing balm, cleansing gel, amplifier, exfoliant, hyperpigmentation serum, antioxidant serum, retinal, eye cream, moisturiser, and face oil = 10 items in total.
If there isn't an equivalent like-for-like equivalent I picked the closest match ingredients and/or function wise, and will have noted it below. Sometimes a range didn't have a specific item at all and if that's the case it's also noted.
So, here goes:
Naturium, without a facial oil and with the Multi-Peptide Serum rather than an "amplifying" essence, will set you back £209.50 (nine items) plus samples at checkout via SpaceNK.
Superdrug own brand, featuring items from their B., Optimum, Me+, Naturally Radiant, Vitamin C and Vitamin E ranges, will set you back £52.01 for ten items with member discounts and next day delivery included.
Skinceuticals, via Dermacare Direct and Face The Future, will set you back £805.70 for nine items, plus you get a bunch of samples and a freebie or two. SC does not have a facial oil, and the Amplifier was duped with the SC Skin Cycle Catalyst which boasts the same ✨️makes your skincare work better✨️ claims.
"Heritage" brands - Estee Lauder and Lancome - with a facial scrub rather than an exfoliating lotion and no facial oil, will cost you £496.96 for nine items at Look Fantastic, with an automatic discount applied, plus a stackable influencer-linked discount code also applied, plus two GWPs: a six piece Lancome set, and an Estee Lauder cleansing gel.
Dermalogica, also at Look Fantastic, will set you back £561 for nine items (no facial oil) with no discount codes applicable.
Trinny London, with their Take Back Time elixir switched in for the Amplifier and both of their retinal serums (the one with niacinamide being the Hyperpigmentation Serum switch) will cost £516 for nine items (no facial oil), and you get a free toiletry bag and three samples of your choice, and if you sign up to their mailing list you get a free travel moisturiser worth £22 on your next order.
Finally, want to go all Continental and add some Oh la la! to your life? A "French pharmacy" routine with equivalent products will cost £216.97 for ten items at Escentual, including freebies and samples and using a code that gives you £30 off your order. Brands included were Eucerin, Payot, Avene, Bioderma, Topicrem, Vichy and Institut Esthederm.
Overall: Skin Rocks is only outpriced by Skinceuticals (by about £150) and there is a lot (like, a lot a lot) of skincare out there with similar claims and very similar inci lists.
TLDR = Skin Rocks is having a laugh, skincare companies love a bombastic claim, and I really have to start reading War and Peace.
Listening to her recent live, talking about her blood disorder (slightly paraphrased, but the second bit is verbatim): "I've got way back Mississippi heritage and there must be some Black in there... I've definitely got Black in me because my mum has Black hair". Seriously: fuck her. As a Black woman, this is so offensive. Her mother does not have "Black hair"; her mother isn't Black. She doesn't have Black heritage just because of this fabled Mississippi relative (like, wasn't he Native American less than a week ago?), who, most likely was white because you know the States has been collecting census data on race for over a hundred years and if this ancestor was listed as anything other than "white" on that census she'd be out here Rachel Dolezal-ing it TF up.
I wish she'd stop this heritage hopping she keeps on doing. She's a Northern European white woman ffs. There's nothing wrong with that. Just because she has a disorder that is more common in Mediterranean, Middle Eastern and African ethnic groups does not mean that she *must have* ancestry from those groups like she insists (she was disappointed she didn't have any Mediterranean heritage and that it came from her American ancestor ). It's just more common in those groups. I have no idea why she thinks she's an ally or why anyone would call her an ally. She's a fetishizing ancestry shopper and it creeps me the fuck out. Grrrr. /end rant.
ETA: if you have problems with your hair that are making you worry, please see a dermatologist. Hirons is right that it'll probably cost you the same as seeing a "Consultant Trichologist", but you'll actually get someone who has hair disorders within their medical specialism. A trichologist is not a doctor. Ignore Hirons and spend your money on a consultation with a dermatologist rather than Kinglsey and their overpriced bilge.
Wow, Caroline, just wow. If you are reading this, let me tell you your performance today was a spectacular fuck up.
You think that some ungrateful bitches were having a moan on your page and you needed to go full on mama bear to defend your staff. Ooooh my god, haven't you got this one wrong.
You didnt come across as proud defender of your work and your girls. You came across as a an unprofessional bully. Whether you agree or not with the criticisms, using someone's personal info to mock them publicly in a position of power within your group is a monumental DICKHEAD MOVE. Did I leave that thread thinking you were brave for being on the side of your staff or did I leave wondering if you also use personal information of the young girls that work for you to mock them in meetings? Have a guess which one.
Putting that article behind a paywall just wasn't classy. You knew it the second someone said something on the thread and that's why you backtracked so fast. It made you look hypocritical and absurd. It's ok Caroline, people make mistakes. All you had to do is say, "I get it, let me fix this"
I didnt know you during the pandemic, I've only known of you for a few months and frankly I'm appalled. There's a difference between moderating a group of customers and squashing criticism with zealous enthusiasm. If someone buys one of your kits and they find it's no good for their skin, let them post it, watch carefully what other say, take note and maybe curate the next kit better, by using different products or being more honest about who is it for. If someone tells you they hope a particular brand doesnt feature in a kit, ask them why, don't call them rude. They may have a good reason. If someone points out some incongruence in the accessibility of your content, listen. Could they be right? This is all valuable feedback. You may not always like it, but use it wisely, it's "free" advice. These people pay for your holiday in Italy. You still have a lot of sycophantic support, but don't take it for granted, bigger people than you have fallen and success is not a given. And please, dont be a dickhead. It really is not nice.
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The Three Quid comment has really got under my skin. There's a number of threads, that have been heartbreakingly posted anonymously asking about cheaper skincare in "changing circumstances". She, and some of the freaks, clearly dont understand how someone could have every penny. Every. Penny. counted for on a month budget. A cheap moisturiser may just be the self care luxury you afford yourself, 3 quid. Three. Quid. to read her opinions on an app is very low on the priorities of anyone who needs to read about cheap skincare. Tone deaf. AF
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