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I can actually understand some concern over the Covid vaccine. It was rushed out very quickly with very limited trials, so I do get that but something like Polio? You have to be a bit nuts not to want to have that. Years of research and proof that it has saved millions.

Also, anti vaxxers tend to pick and choose what they trust Dr's with. I knew one older woman who was very anti Dr's full stop until she had a really bad fall and broke her hip. Couldn't get to a hospital quick enough. 🙄
It’s all the influencers who inject and surgically implant god knows what into their bodies and faces, and then come out with all the anti vaccine nonsense I just cannot abide!
 
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I can actually understand some concern over the Covid vaccine. It was rushed out very quickly with very limited trials, so I do get that but something like Polio? You have to be a bit nuts not to want to have that. Years of research and proof that it has saved millions.

Also, anti vaxxers tend to pick and choose what they trust Dr's with. I knew one older woman who was very anti Dr's full stop until she had a really bad fall and broke her hip. Couldn't get to a hospital quick enough. 🙄
Also to add. I understand the rapidity of the reposnse may have led some initially to be sceptical regarding the Covid vaccines, even though it was worked on by an unprecedented number of scientists and was peer reviewed before the rollout, however, there have been so many further scientific reviews, by respected established and independent institutions, showing the efficacy and safety of the vaccines, I can’t believe that this nonsense still persists.
The original roll out was again so unprecedented and rapid, and no vaccine is without risk, that sadly there were a number of cases of adverse effects in a short period of time which is obviously awful for those involved.
 
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It makes sense really from their perspective because the only way immigration can be drastically reduced without collapsing the economy is ramping up the birth rate.
 
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It makes sense really from their perspective because the only way immigration can be drastically reduced without collapsing the economy is ramping up the birth rate.
Based on his comments to the American groups it very much sounds like playing into the Great Replacement Theory
 
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The major issue is underestimating the average voter's mentality. People will vote reform based on the headline promises, and not care about the other policies until it affects them.

Reminds me of when we were offered a pay rise at work in exchange for more flexibility to our hours. The first day this kicked in one of the people who was happy to vote yes due to the pay rise was complaining the new flexibility rules had negatively affected them! :rolleyes:

If they get in I fully expect people crying their house value has cratered cos their mate Nige is fracking nearby.
 
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I'm not doubting him but the way he plays into whatever tis going on in the US and probably whoever is funding him should be concerning when it comes to this

I have a feeling that it would only take a nice offer for him to quickly pedal a more anti-abortion stance under the guise of something "good"
As the anti-abortion lobby found in the US, Trump has always been willing to say one thing and do another as long as either provide him with some sort of personal, business or political advantage. I think Farage is the same. At the moment there are few votes for Farage on the abortion issue but US anti-abortion groups are expanding their activities in the UK and I wouldn't be surprised if a Farage government was persuaded to remove the buffer zones that are in place around abortion clinics in the UK under the guise of protecting free speech.
 
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My friends dad had a blood clot after his cocid vaccination which has result in an Amputation.

It's been classified as a vaccine injury and he has received a payout. Its a not bad amount but nothing will compensate for a life of disability.

In years to come we will look at the whole covid situation and see how badly it was handled.

I'm still of the opinion it was totally OTT., lockdowns, keep your distance, don't socialise outside your family group.

And I think that the fact that members of the government were having parties and emptying their local Tesco of champagne bears that out.

Cos if it was really a deadly plague, they'd have been the first gits to make sure they were protected.
 
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Cos if it was really a deadly plague, they'd have been the first gits to make sure they were protected.
I suspect you will find that the way the average person handled the lockdowns vs those with contact to vulnerable people are going to be very different
 
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My friends dad had a blood clot after his cocid vaccination which has result in an Amputation.

It's been classified as a vaccine injury and he has received a payout. Its a not bad amount but nothing will compensate for a life of disability.

In years to come we will look at the whole covid situation and see how badly it was handled.

I'm still of the opinion it was totally OTT., lockdowns, keep your distance, don't socialise outside your family group.

And I think that the fact that members of the government were having parties and emptying their local Tesco of champagne bears that out.

Cos if it was really a deadly plague, they'd have been the first gits to make sure they were protected.
I have had this discussion with many people. The whole it was a global conspiracy doesn’t ring true though. All the governments around the world getting together to dupe their populace on this when they can’t even agree not to drop bombs on each other seems something of a stretch.

As much as I hated Johnson’s government the pandemic was unprecedented. We can never really know how many would have died/not died if it had been handled differently and I cant judge the government at the time for its response.

I do judge them for their outright hypocrisy and then lies about it though x
 
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The major issue is underestimating the average voter's mentality. People will vote reform based on the headline promises, and not care about the other policies until it affects them.

Reminds me of when we were offered a pay rise at work in exchange for more flexibility to our hours. The first day this kicked in one of the people who was happy to vote yes due to the pay rise was complaining the new flexibility rules had negatively affected them! :rolleyes:

If they get in I fully expect people crying their house value has cratered cos their mate Nige is fracking nearby.
I've been watching an interesting video this morning which puts forward the idea that Reform are being successful because they have a simple, compelling story to explain what's going wrong and what can be done about it. Even if they are totally wrong no real alternative is being presented by anyone with enough clout to get attention. Add to that people's experience that neither Conservative or Labour parties have managed to address the problems with our economy and decline in living standards and it's no wonder that some people are only too keen to listen to someone offering simple solutions that apparently don't negatively impact themselves.
 
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Also to add. I understand the rapidity of the reposnse may have led some initially to be sceptical regarding the Covid vaccines, even though it was worked on by an unprecedented number of scientists and was peer reviewed before the rollout, however, there have been so many further scientific reviews, by respected established and independent institutions, showing the efficacy and safety of the vaccines, I can’t believe that this nonsense still persists.
The original roll out was again so unprecedented and rapid, and no vaccine is without risk, that sadly there were a number of cases of adverse effects in a short period of time which is obviously awful for those involved.
Given the sheer amount of doses of the Covid vaccines that have been given there will be adverse effects. In seemingly high absolute numbers. But what matters is the rate at which they occur. Which is no worse than most other vaccines (and iirc is in fact better than some commonly used ones).

I'm not a doctor and nothing in this post is medical advice.
 
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Could be sheer coincidence this current trend of wall-punchers sneaking out in the middle of the night to climb a lampost with a flag & the tightening up of online pornography access in the UK.
 
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But that's kind of the point. Nobody has met anybody with those diseases you mentioned,because the vaccination for them actually worked. That's the difference,you still meet people on a daily basis that have COVID. I am not anti vaccination and am well aware of how they work, doesn't make me stupid to not have confidence in one that doesn't work.
They’ve never been able to find a vaccine for the common cold, completely different to diseases that don’t constantly evolve.
 
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I suspect you will find that the way the average person handled the lockdowns vs those with contact to vulnerable people are going to be very different
Absolutely. I knew two people who died of Covid. One was old. The other was someone in their 50's with no real underlying conditions.

I think you will view Covid on how it affected you. If you and your family came out of unscathed then you will see it differently to someone who lost love ones or those who worked in hospitals or on the ambulances.
 
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There's been quite a few enjoyable moments this week where he's been under the cosh. And of course, he's reacted like the little witch that he is.

In the past, he's always benefitted from being the antagonist, the outsider with no hope of getting anywhere near power. Now all that's changed, and he will be under pressure and scrutiny like never before over the next few years. I look forward to many more episodes of watching him squirm.
During the election campaign there was a period of maybe 2 days where he was getting hammered for being pro Putin. He unraveled so spectacularly that he's now pro Ukraine. Expect a lot more of these policy shifts in the next few years.
 
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As the anti-abortion lobby found in the US, Trump has always been willing to say one thing and do another as long as either provide him with some sort of personal, business or political advantage. I think Farage is the same. At the moment there are few votes for Farage on the abortion issue but US anti-abortion groups are expanding their activities in the UK and I wouldn't be surprised if a Farage government was persuaded to remove the buffer zones that are in place around abortion clinics in the UK under the guise of protecting free speech.
I don't think anti abortion would take off in the UK on anywhere the scale it has in US so I don't think Nigel would go there but what he is tapping into is the 24 week thing and that could have traction. I am very much pro choice but even I did a side eye at the 24 week limit.

Reform aren't stupid. I think they very much know what will and won't wash in the UK. They were clever with their wording over that Dr Malholtra.
'The party said that it "does not endorse what he said but does believe in free speech".'
 
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