Oh I love Larry! I need to see this....Such a mess. Best bit was seeing Larry the Number 10 cat getting taken back indoors.
People like you really irritate me. Always so quick to defend the immigrants who do cause crime over here or terrorism related incidents. I never stated anywhere all immigrants are bad, every time a slight comment is made someone gets really defensive and the R card comes about. I have been a victim as a child of abuse from English and non Englishmen so I can comment and I have immigrant friends so I definitely am not saying they all are bad. But we cannot ignore or deny that this goes on from migrants. We already know about the Rotherham case and Charlene Downs because people are scared to have the R card thrown at them from people such as yourself.Oh I love Larry! I need to see this....
On a more serious note associating immigrants with rapists and terrorists is part of the problem in my view. I know you said "some of them" come with good intentions or whatever but that's just as divisive.
Terrorism is a totally different topic to the EU or immigration. The Manchester bomber was a British citizen how can you stop him coming and going ? Maybe he should have been.under surveillance etc but that's a different issue to immigration. And maybe treating British citizens who happen to be Muslims as terrorists feeds into extremist propoganda? Its not just manchester. In 2005 they were 3/4 citizens. Same westminsrer. Same 1/3 of London bridge. If you're made to feel like an alien in your place of birth it's obviously going to be a lot easier to turn you. I accept there's still a long way to go but it's not helpful to have this us and them way of approaching things.
I don't think that commenter called you a racist? They just stated that the Manchester bomber was born here - he wasn't an immigrant so couldn't be deported anywhere.People like you really irritate me. Always so quick to defend the immigrants who do cause crime over here or terrorism related incidents. I never stated anywhere all immigrants are bad, every time a slight comment is made someone gets really defensive and the R card comes about. I have been a victim as a child of abuse from English and non Englishmen so I can comment and I have immigrant friends so I definitely am not saying they all are bad. But we cannot ignore or deny that this goes on from migrants. We already know about the Rotherham case and Charlene Downs because people are scared to have the R card thrown at them from people such as yourself.
Well I never actually once used the "r card" as you call it - racism. All I did was point out was what was problematic about what was being said. It's funny how you call it racism in defense. Says more about you than me.
And I'm sorry for what's happened to you. I really am. Thats truely revolting and hideous to do to a person let alone a child. But I don't want to connect it too closely to this discussion because I feel uncomfortable not knowing you and your situation and don't want to offend.
I don't think that commenter called you a racist? They just stated that the Manchester bomber was born here - he wasn't an immigrant so couldn't be deported anywhere. I agree that more should've been done to stop him sooner, as even people in his community mentioned to the police, but he also didn't travel directly to or from Libya (I think he went to EU countries first then flew from there) so that was why they weren't suspicious of his flights. Otherwise I'm sure they would've caught him out then.
Unrelated but god it'll be a joke if we get Boris Johnson.
Okay wow, no need to be rude! You realise this is a public forum and people are allowed to join into a discussion right?I don't think it had anything to do with you? It was a discussion between me and Horatio. They took offence to my post saying that what i have said is unfair and I am labelling most immigrants to which I have not. There are terrorists who come over here who aren't born in England such as the incident in London September 2017 the bucket of explosives. He was a foreign student who moved over to England to live with an English couple and he was found to have explosives and bomb paraphernalia in his bedroom when police searched it. So it does happen, I love how people get defensive over it though.
Well you didn't know the facts yourself when you used him as an example on immigration.Mayday, I do realize it is a public forum but it was a discussion between H and myself and you jumped in not knowing all the facts. Which is also rude!
Horatio, it is alarming that you get so defensive over the immigrants who are dangerous people and think it is okay for them to come here. If something awful happened to your child I would wonder if your viewpoint changes. But keep calling me bad/racist/extreme/chip on my shoulder.
I am just going to leave this here https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...od-plane-passengers-revealed-gang-rapist.html
If you don't think this sentence is racist or bigoted I wonder what you think that means? Bad people are bad people it has nothing to do with their immigration status. Rapists come.in all races. If someone close to me was assaulted I would be equally upset if they were British as.if they were not because that's really not the point.Horatio, it is alarming that you get so defensive over the immigrants who are dangerous people and think it is okay for them to come here. If something awful happened to your child I would wonder if your viewpoint changes. But keep calling me bad/racist/extreme/chip on my shoulder.
You keep calling me racist it is typical of today's society in Britain. Yes I am a racist and bigot for not wanting dangerous immigrants and rapists/terrorists in my country. So I apologise if that is so bigoted of me. I am not talking about British people, I just said above that both Englishmen and non Englishmen have abused me in my childhood. I am saying what others have said - immigration needs to be sorted. I AM allowed my views on that whether you like it or not, it is at the moment a free for all country where dangerous people come in and out under the radar is what I said all along. Like I said when we visit or move to other countries we have to respect their cultures and laws and the same should be applied here and if not - then they should not have a right to stay here. In most countries if you cannot obey laws or have criminal records you are not allowed in. Okay I was wrong about Abedi, but so what? I am correct in that others who are not English citizens have come here and committed terrorist activities. All I am saying is we need to be careful of who we let in and if our government had been, then there probably would never had been BREXIT. People who want to leave is all about immigration. If the gment did something and protected us we wouldn't be in this mess.If you don't think this sentence is racist or bigoted I wonder what you think that means? Bad people are bad people it has nothing to do with their immigration status. Rapists come.in all races. If someone close to me was assaulted I would be equally upset if they were British as.if they were not because that's really not the point.
Your argument again't Mayday also makes no sense when they knew as much of "the facts" as anyone. Certainly myself.
Thank you. I didn't mean to jump into the argument and offend you either (or imply you were racist, I was simply saying the Manchester guy wasn't a good example as I feel he became the poster boy for 'anti-muslim' and 'anti-immigration' after that happened). I also agree that the Grenfell victims have been treated poorly, and its shocking that May is leaving before they have been properly rehoused. (I wonder if they even will be now or will just be left to fend for themselves?)My point is our government needs to be careful of who it is letting in. Many atime I've flown and never had anyone check my passport at border control. Some very dangerous people come in when you leave the door wide open and we need to be careful of activites. When the multiple terrorism attacks happened in 2017 everyone was up in arms that we needed to be more careful about who is being let in and out of the country. May was a terrible leader and did nothing to solve this, she just went out each time and read from her stand prepared speeches. I feel that Grenfell sufferers should have been helped much more, also. Alot of them were migrants and treated appallingly. I never said that all immigrants are bad or they are all violent people. That is why I am annoyed at the comments. It is common of today. You cannot have a simple debate without being accused of being bigoted. Yes I do want my country to be safe, and I do feel that more could be done. The vast majority of migrants are hard workers and good people. I apologise if my comments seem in any way bigoted, but that is your issue as I am truly not and that has upset me. I dislike the far right members in politics but I feel more could be done from our current government to protect our nation.
Thank you. I didn't mean to jump into the argument and offend you either (or imply you were racist, I was simply saying the Manchester guy wasn't a good example as I feel he became the poster boy for 'anti-muslim' and 'anti-immigration' after that happened). I also agree that the Grenfell victims have been treated poorly, and its shocking that May is leaving before they have been properly rehoused. (I wonder if they even will be now or will just be left to fend for themselves?)
Also unrelated but don't want to double post. I had a good chuckle at this
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