Theresa May to stand down as Prime Minister on June 7

[kanye]

Ignoring windrush, Grenfell, mass deportation and mass food bank usage, when Boris is PM and Farages influence leads us to a no deal Brexit and our economy nosedives, whilst we all live unmedicated, starving and jobless, Theresa and her soft-ish Brexit will be looked back on fondly.

 

[Truthseeker]

God help us all if Boris gets in. He's a clown

 

[Horatio]

God help us all if Boris gets in. He's a clown

No he's very cunning and manipulative and plays up the clown persona to hide these traits. So I agree with the "God help us all" part.

Can't really see it being anyone BUT him. He's been biding his time waiting for this ever since Cameron announced he was going to leave during his second term (that he woukdnt even stand for a third election )and then announced this little referendum on Europe...

 

[Yel]

May saying she did her best is bollocks.

I think she did what she thought was best, but it was a disaster. She carried on way to long even when it was clear it would never work.

I’m starting to think Prime Ministers only leave when they convinced the person after them will be worse. The David Cameron years seem like luxury compared to Mays time in power but at the time they made Browns tenure look amazing

Blair, brown and Cameron are the ones to blame for the situation we're in at the moment. Sure Theresa fucked it up, but she didn't make the whole mess - that was decades in the making. From blair and brown and their mistakes over the EU enlargement to then using the EU as a scapegoat for everything.

 

[Horatio]

Well I never actually once used the "r card" as you call it - racism. All I did was point out was what was problematic about what was being said. It's funny how you call it racism in defense. Says more about you than me.

And I'm sorry for what's happened to you. I really am. Thats truely revolting and hideous to do to a person let alone a child. But I don't want to connect it too closely to this discussion because I feel uncomfortable not knowing you and your situation and don't want to offend.

 

[StarryEyed]

Unfortunately the majority voted leave and we have to face the consequences of if we do (which I highly highly doubt we ever will leave). Maybe people will learn a lesson then. But something does need to be done about the revolving door of immigration, we let anybody in without checks on them. Look at the Salman Abedi lad who was responsible for Manchester.. He was freely allowed in and out to Libya doing what we all found out when it was too late! Also rapists and other serious offences should be deported in my view, just as if we commit crimes in other countries we won't be tolerated there. But of course I'll probably get called racist for this post. I have no issues with the people who come here for a better life but the unsavoury people should be dealt with a firm hand.

I completely agree something needs to get done about immigration however the lie needs to stop being peddled that it’s the EU that’s stopping us.
The example you gave above was someone going to/from Libya, which isn’t in the EU so that is 100% up the government to stop him coming in/out. Also have a look at immigration figures since voting to leave, the EU migrant (which allegedly we couldn’t stop) is going down, and the non EU migrants (which we can stop) is skyrocketing.
Also a very important point, just because the majority voted leave doesn’t mean we have to if the government decides it’s not in the best interest of the Country (they wouldn’t do that because of backlash.
Bottom line is half the country Want to leave and half want to stay, there a few on the fence who flip between and one any given day either side could have a majority in a vote. Bigger problem though is whichever side doesn’t get their way will punish the government at the next election. Whoever makes the decision is fucked either way so they need to ignore the people because they can’t win by following them. Go for whatever will get our economy up and running quicker then the people who sulk will get shut up quicker

 

[GossWhore]

What a joke. First David Cameron and now her.

Tbh David royally screwed her over and I don't even like TM at all

 

[Horatio]

Such a mess. Best bit was seeing Larry the Number 10 cat getting taken back indoors.

Oh I love Larry! I need to see this....

On a more serious note associating immigrants with rapists and terrorists is part of the problem in my view. I know you said "some of them" come with good intentions or whatever but that's just as divisive.

Terrorism is a totally different topic to the EU or immigration. The Manchester bomber was a British citizen how can you stop him coming and going ? Maybe he should have been.under surveillance etc but that's a different issue to immigration. And maybe treating British citizens who happen to be Muslims as terrorists feeds into extremist propoganda? Its not just manchester. In 2005 they were 3/4 citizens. Same westminsrer. Same 1/3 of London bridge. If you're made to feel like an alien in your place of birth it's obviously going to be a lot easier to turn you. I accept there's still a long way to go but it's not helpful to have this us and them way of approaching things.

 

[StarryEyed]

Whether you agree to Brexit or not, the British public voted for that and that is what should be delivered. It was difficult not to feel sympathy for her when she cried, but May saying she did her best is bollocks. She could have made a no deal brexit and tried harder.

There’s a reason no one has the bollocks to make the decision on Brexit, no one wants to take the blame for when it goes wrong because it’s going to be that much of a disaster. That tells you why we shouldn’t leave.

 

[Janey1]

Whether you agree to Brexit or not, the British public voted for that and that is what should be delivered. It was difficult not to feel sympathy for her when she cried, but May saying she did her best is bollocks. She could have made a no deal brexit and tried harder. She didn't really help the victims of Grenfell or Manchester Arena and the other attacks. I remember 2017 being a terrifying year of 3 attacks at least and her just coming out with a custom made pre-written speech. I feel like she could have done more for this country and it is in her best interests (and ours) that she steps down.

 

[Horatio]

You're the one making assumptions. I don't have the energy to argue online against someone complaining about immigration in general. I would never have bothered but you really seem to have a.chip on your shoulder about it and are by far rhe most defensive poster on this thread. However I do honestly respect the right to a.different opinion belive it or not.
But Mayday is right it was the mention of the Manchester bomber because it was seemed so disconnected from.the topic but connected to the fact that many UK terrorists are ."home grown." And what that says about our society.

 

[Horatio]

Horatio, it is alarming that you get so defensive over the immigrants who are dangerous people and think it is okay for them to come here. If something awful happened to your child I would wonder if your viewpoint changes. But keep calling me bad/racist/extreme/chip on my shoulder.

If you don't think this sentence is racist or bigoted I wonder what you think that means? Bad people are bad people it has nothing to do with their immigration status. Rapists come.in all races. If someone close to me was assaulted I would be equally upset if they were British as.if they were not because that's really not the point.

Your argument again't Mayday also makes no sense when they knew as much of "the facts" as anyone. Certainly myself.

 

[bellaburgundia]

I'm emigrating if Johnson or McVey win. 2nd PM in a row not chosen by the electorate to deliver a ridiculous premise devised by Cameron to ensure his re-election. Still no fucker has a clue what it means but it's coming to an economy near you soon...be afraid...be very afraid...

 

[Horatio]

I mean this argument is.just going to keep going round in circles as it always does which is why I usually try to avoid.it. Let's not bother saying the same things back at each other and respect each others right to an opinion as you say. I honestly think the worst thing to.have come.out of.this whole referendum saga is reveal how divided the country is and I think the way people speak to each other on both sides just fuels it. I would even go as far as saying the left, which I generally align myself with, has a tendency historically be particularly aggressive. It comes from a good place often but feeds the trolls and the worst of the right but also is unfair to genuinely good people with different views for whatever reason. Background plays a large role.

 

[Mayday]

My point is our government needs to be careful of who it is letting in. Many atime I've flown and never had anyone check my passport at border control. Some very dangerous people come in when you leave the door wide open and we need to be careful of activites. When the multiple terrorism attacks happened in 2017 everyone was up in arms that we needed to be more careful about who is being let in and out of the country. May was a terrible leader and did nothing to solve this, she just went out each time and read from her stand prepared speeches. I feel that Grenfell sufferers should have been helped much more, also. Alot of them were migrants and treated appallingly. I never said that all immigrants are bad or they are all violent people. That is why I am annoyed at the comments. It is common of today. You cannot have a simple debate without being accused of being bigoted. Yes I do want my country to be safe, and I do feel that more could be done. The vast majority of migrants are hard workers and good people. I apologise if my comments seem in any way bigoted, but that is your issue as I am truly not and that has upset me. I dislike the far right members in politics but I feel more could be done from our current government to protect our nation.

Thank you. I didn't mean to jump into the argument and offend you either (or imply you were racist, I was simply saying the Manchester guy wasn't a good example as I feel he became the poster boy for 'anti-muslim' and 'anti-immigration' after that happened). I also agree that the Grenfell victims have been treated poorly, and its shocking that May is leaving before they have been properly rehoused. (I wonder if they even will be now or will just be left to fend for themselves?)

Also unrelated but don't want to double post. I had a good chuckle at this

 

[Mayday]

Tbh David royally screwed her over and I don't even like TM at all

Yeah this is true, I think he screwed us all over really and no one wanted to take on his job as they knew they'd be hated, and have to pick up his pieces. Its just a joke how he tried to pull the 'vote for me for a strong and stable government!' then buggered off.

 

[Yel]

Theresa May has said she will quit as Conservative leader on 7 June, paving the way for a contest to decide a new prime minister.

In an emotional statement in Downing St, she said she had "done my best" to honour the 2016 EU referendum result.

It would remain a matter of "deep regret" that she had been unable to deliver Brexit, she added.

Mrs May said she will continue to serve as prime minister while a Conservative leadership contest takes place.

She will step down as Tory leader on 7 June and a leadership contest is due to begin the following week.
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She's done a terrible job, but it was a poisoned chalice. I'm not sure if anyone else in parliament could have done a better job, she tried to go for the middle ground in a divided nation and just ended up with frustrating everyone.

Fair play to her she tried what she thought was best and lasted much longer than anyone thought she would do.

Now Boris will come in and solve it all

 

[StarryEyed]

But that's your opinion as a remainer. The majority was leave and are we going to keep having revotes when the other side disgarees to make each other happy? Vote leave then when remainers are unhappy vote stay then the brexiteers are unhappy and we vote leave?

Damn straight that my opinion as a remainder economic uncertainty for long periods of time isn’t good for the country. We need this finished as soon as possible and like it or not but if MPs agreed to deal to leave EU wouldn’t be the end to the arguing it would mean people would move onto arguing about the next stage. Only way to get stability back is to pull the plug on article 50, we’ve had our tantrum and it’s costing our country a lot

 

[StarryEyed]

I’ve always said if we leave we need to leave as a group, preferably with France. My biggest concern is if our economy goes tits up and public opinion backtracks so badly that the next government decides to go back into the EU then we will lose our special arrangements and have to have the Euro and then we will be in a much worse position than we are in now. Right now we’ve got something to lose that’s worth hanging on to

 

[MunkyMagic]

I’ve always said if we leave we need to leave as a group, preferably with France. My biggest concern is if our economy goes tits up and public opinion backtracks so badly that the next government decides to go back into the EU then we will lose our special arrangements and have to have the Euro and then we will be in a much worse position than we are in now. Right now we’ve got something to lose that’s worth hanging on to

Yeah I think it’s a fair assumption. The economy WILL go tits up when we leave.

BUT I do believe we have enough asset and industry to pull things round again. Business has been preparing and negotiating for 3 years for Brexit and is always ready for trade, their difficulty is government not telling them how it’s going to be, it’s been really terrible management by our so called leaders.

Long term, I actually think having political distance from the EU will prove beneficial because it’s a behemoth of expense and upcoming turmoil in the hands of too few, but short term will be a tough and acrimonious divorce