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I really like HS 😬 I like how he speaks the truth in a lot of what he says. The lefties like Louis and Piers couldn’t deal with it because they’re usually talking to people that are full of tit
What truth does he speak?
 
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What's sad is as well as absent fathers (I think someone actually put together a graphic showing most of the men in the programme had bad relationships with their dads), men's need for community, friendship and belonging has created this toxic "manosphere".

A lot of them want direction and someone to talk to, but it's more acceptable for a man to desire a girlfriend than it is friends, so they take all their frustrations out on women and being single.

I had an in depth conversation with a male friend about the "male loneliness epidemic" and challenged him on the point that men might be lonelier (aren't we all?) but why does it always come down to not having a girlfriend when many also don't have friends or good relationships with their family?
 
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Men don’t talk to each other properly - women chat about everything but men friendships (at least judging by my husband) seem limited to sport, cinema, music etc, or it’s a game of oneupmanship. They don’t let themselves be vulnerable with each other.
 
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Was brilliant watching . LT was great to watch as he let these silly immature men make themselves look like bits..

HS has some vile opinions on women and he revealed himself as ignorant and clearly running a pyramid store scheme to get money off even more stupid men
 
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I have always been envious of ‚lefties‘. I am right handed but as a child, I really wanted to be left handed and tried my best to swap sides. That is what you meant, right? Are you subscribing to the archaic religious view that the left hand is connected to the divil and that is the reason for the hate?


(I am taking the piss, as I am a socialist)
 
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I’m glad this thread exists. Have any of you seen the Zandland documentary on YouTube called ‘Inside the intel’s who rent girlfriends’? It’s only about 30 minutes long but it is absolutely horrifying
 
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I’m glad this thread exists. Have any of you seen the Zandland documentary on YouTube called ‘Inside the intel’s who rent girlfriends’? It’s only about 30 minutes long but it is absolutely horrifying
I’m gonna be watching that tomorrow. That sounds horrifying as well.
 
Men of the Manosphere: www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m002m7j5 via @bbciplayer

There's this BBC documentary about people who follow manosphere content and my gosh, some of these men are so lost.

There's one guy who clearly doesn't fully believe red pill content but is going with it anyway because he thinks the men selling those ideas look successful.

It was aired in November so it's not new but I hadn't seen it.
 
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I’m sick of hearing about it now to be honest. Lonely women have always been laughed at and called cat ladies - nobody cares about a female loneliness epidemic because we don’t turn into violent incels.

Women have been talking about these issues and male VAWG for years, and now Stephen Graham and Louis Theroux (don’t get me wrong, I love them both) have mentioned it, it’s all over the news and on the school curriculum.

Men are lonely, we get it. Go to therapy and leave women out of it. It’s only come to light because women are raising their standards and refusing to engage with losers and they have realised they don’t like it.
this is absolutely a fact. So spot on and most don’t see it.
 
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I think alot of the rise of incels and this manosphere along with increasing violence against women is due to the fact that men now feel demasculated by women, most women are now better educated than men and independent and the majority no longer need to depend on a man. This is men trying to reassert their dominance because they feel threatened by women.
 
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I think alot of the rise of incels and this manosphere along with increasing violence against women is due to the fact that men now feel demasculated by women, most women are now better educated than men and independent and the majority no longer need to depend on a man. This is men trying to reassert their dominance because they feel threatened by women.
I do agree this is a factor, but I also believe too many men (whether consciously or subconsciously) blame women for their feeling emasculated when in actual fact the real culprits are economic turbulence and capitalism.

I think about all of the positive masculine traits I see in the good men in my life (past and present) and it’s all the things like ‘providing for your family’ and ‘teaching the next generation life skills’. We now face an economic crisis whereby too many men cannot solely provide for their families anymore and a woman’s work is no longer a choice and bonus salary but a necessity. Capitalism has restructured our priorities, and I can’t think of many young men with practical skills I could call upon to help hang a shelf or change a tyre anymore (let alone teach their own kids how) and so I’d either YouTube how to do it myself or call a “proper dad”.

I feel like women have levelled up through the generations and found strength in redefining femininity. We can earn our own money, we can hang our own shelves, we can wear trousers, we can do all of this whilst still carrying and raising babies and managing a home, and meanwhile too many men have regressed back to being emotionally stunted cavemen who refuse to redefine their masculinity and still see it as some pissing contest. With progression of women’s rights, the world could have benefited, but instead of working with women, too many men are choosing to work against them. They seem to want a trad wife, but economic turbulence and capitalism won’t allow them to be a trad husband, and so then they blame LeFtiEs aNd FeMiNiStS instead of billionaires, unrealistic lifestyle influencers and… themselves. It’s time to accept that “trad” doesn’t work anymore, pull together, and grow level the duck up.

I want “masculine pride” to mean more dads on school runs, more men feeling like safe spaces to women and children, more men in therapy, more men believing women when they say his mate gr*aped her, more men calling out misogyny, more men doing their own cleaning. Unresolved anger and fragile ego is not the definition of masculinity.
 
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I do agree this is a factor, but I also believe too many men (whether consciously or subconsciously) blame women for their feeling emasculated when in actual fact the real culprits are economic turbulence and capitalism.

I think about all of the positive masculine traits I see in the good men in my life (past and present) and it’s all the things like ‘providing for your family’ and ‘teaching the next generation life skills’. We now face an economic crisis whereby too many men cannot solely provide for their families anymore and a woman’s work is no longer a choice and bonus salary but a necessity. Capitalism has restructured our priorities, and I can’t think of many young men with practical skills I could call upon to help hang a shelf or change a tyre anymore (let alone teach their own kids how) and so I’d either YouTube how to do it myself or call a “proper dad”.

I feel like women have levelled up through the generations and found strength in redefining femininity. We can earn our own money, we can hang our own shelves, we can wear trousers, we can do all of this whilst still carrying and raising babies and managing a home, and meanwhile too many men have regressed back to being emotionally stunted cavemen who refuse to redefine their masculinity and still see it as some pissing contest. With progression of women’s rights, the world could have benefited, but instead of working with women, too many men are choosing to work against them. They seem to want a trad wife, but economic turbulence and capitalism won’t allow them to be a trad husband, and so then they blame LeFtiEs aNd FeMiNiStS instead of billionaires, unrealistic lifestyle influencers and… themselves. It’s time to accept that “trad” doesn’t work anymore, pull together, and grow level the duck up.

I want “masculine pride” to mean more dads on school runs, more men feeling like safe spaces to women and children, more men in therapy, more men believing women when they say his mate gr*aped her, more men calling out misogyny, more men doing their own cleaning. Unresolved anger and fragile ego is not the definition of masculinity.
I loved your post, thanks so much for writing all of this! I agree with you that e.g. deindustrialisation and the modern, western economy has "emasculated" modern men and many of them aren't willing to find strength and skill and ability in less traditionally masculine spheres. I totally agree too that women have levelled up and up, taking on careers, sports, DIY, being able to be single mothers and have our own money and homes etc without stigma, which was never allowed in years gone by; while still managing the home, carrying and raising the children, doing inhuman amounts of domestic and emotional labour.

I also agree that when I think about good men in my life (and I am lucky to have MANY good male role models in my life!), they are the ones who know what hard work is, not just at work, but around the home. My dad who can do or will try his hand at any aspect of DIY, and take the time to show me, and my 5 year old daughter too! Who's always there with fatherly advice, but so proud of his daughters attending university and having high flying (ish lol) careers. My husband too - goes to work 5 days a week, doesn't complain, picks up the slack financially when I am on maternity leave and part-time. Plays with his kids, reads with our daughter every night, takes her to her clubs, is passionate about our children and their interests. Gladly looks after the kids at any moment so I can have time for myself/ pursue my own interests. Sorry for the waffle. I am hoping to goodness that our children - my daughter and my son - will be okay :(

It's so easy for me and my husband to laugh at the "manosphere" portrayed in the documentary, but for teen boys etc steeped in the internet, who've never known a world outside of the current social media landscape, it's not so easy, and it's hard for me to put my feet into those shoes and understand what's so appealing about it, and how to help my kids navigate that in due course? I'm hoping when my kids (5 and 1) are of age, there will be serious regulation of social media etc for children.
 
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I really like HS 😬 I like how he speaks the truth in a lot of what he says. The lefties like Louis and Piers couldn’t deal with it because they’re usually talking to people that are full of tit
What about the lies like when he said he’d deleted the video of your man getting beaten up but he had actually reposted it all as mini clips.

I like Ed Matty but I can’t stand HS to me he’s full of tit and his voice irritates the duck out of me.