Following the recent Louis Theroux documentary there seems to be a lot more discussion around so-called “toxic” male influencers and the wider manosphere. I thought it might be interesting to start a thread to talk about the show itself, as well as the broader culture and ideas surrounding the manosphere more generally
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I watched it last night. I thought the film was a real return to form for Theroux, who has felt like he's been dialling it in on some of his more recent stuff. He's such an expert at saying little and just letting the idiots he interviewed trip themselves up with their own words.
I struggle to have any sympathy for anyone that falls for their scams and gives these meatheads money. If your definition of 'success' is a six pack and dating a porn star then you get what you deserve. I find the whole psychology behind it fascinating. A lot of them coming from troubled /fatherless homes. I imagine most of them faced a lot of rejection from women before they embraced the manosphere too.
I struggle to have any sympathy for anyone that falls for their scams and gives these meatheads money. If your definition of 'success' is a six pack and dating a porn star then you get what you deserve. I find the whole psychology behind it fascinating. A lot of them coming from troubled /fatherless homes. I imagine most of them faced a lot of rejection from women before they embraced the manosphere too.
I quite like Ed Matty, I’m not sure why but I do find him quite funny.
HS is an idiot, and the documentary exposed that.
The Americans were another level, but I don’t expect anything else
The women who get involved with these men / go on their podcasts to be humiliated is what I really don’t get. Nobody is that dense, and nobody’s self worth is that low.
I don’t think the manosphere is a completely bad thing. Obviously I don’t agree with some of the extreme or hostile attitudes of some (I guess the doc showed the most extreme cases), I also think it raises points that aren’t always spoken about. Issues like men’s MH and openly talking about pressures men face, or feel they do. But I do acknowledge that some of the criticisms of modern dating culture and certain behaviours aren’t completely unfounded. I dont think they should be hostile towards women, but I do think that people (even men lol) are entitled to an opinion, and some points made are worth reflection or discussion.
HS is an idiot, and the documentary exposed that.
The Americans were another level, but I don’t expect anything else
The women who get involved with these men / go on their podcasts to be humiliated is what I really don’t get. Nobody is that dense, and nobody’s self worth is that low.
I don’t think the manosphere is a completely bad thing. Obviously I don’t agree with some of the extreme or hostile attitudes of some (I guess the doc showed the most extreme cases), I also think it raises points that aren’t always spoken about. Issues like men’s MH and openly talking about pressures men face, or feel they do. But I do acknowledge that some of the criticisms of modern dating culture and certain behaviours aren’t completely unfounded. I dont think they should be hostile towards women, but I do think that people (even men lol) are entitled to an opinion, and some points made are worth reflection or discussion.
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The men leading the manosphere don’t care about other men’s mental health though, they just want to make money. If it was harmless online nonsense we could just laugh and move on, but women are literally killed because of misogyny. I couldn’t care less if they locked themselves in their parents’ basements for life and just wanked over making money and trading crypto and buying cars, but it’s always about ‘empowering’ men at the expense of women.
Just put it on thrilled to see a thread well done @pommynoir ill check back afterwards 
It really is the male equivalent of an MLM. I thought it interesting the men don’t seem to fully believe what they were saying, yet they manage to brainwash so many impressionable young men. I fear this is the culmination of decades of decline for the white working class, where white working class boys have been the worst performing demographic in schools for years. They’ve lost all the traditions employment routes in many areas, and many gave up on education. Then reality tv shows like love island came along and that appeared to be the most attractive way for these young men to become “successful”. These influencers are exploiting that. They are basically the Gen Z version of reform.
I actually do agree with them that something in the system is holding these men back, but it’s just late stage capitalism. They use feminism as the blame in the same way the far right blames multiculturalism. They’re two sides of the same very scary coin.
I actually do agree with them that something in the system is holding these men back, but it’s just late stage capitalism. They use feminism as the blame in the same way the far right blames multiculturalism. They’re two sides of the same very scary coin.
I've not watched it yet but I've seen on Tattle posts from mothers despairing that their young son(s) swallow the Andrew Tate type stuff and I can't imagine how heartbreaking that must be as a parent.
Some has gone desperately wrong and I don't what it is or if it can be fixed.
Some has gone desperately wrong and I don't what it is or if it can be fixed.
I’m sick of hearing about it now to be honest. Lonely women have always been laughed at and called cat ladies - nobody cares about a female loneliness epidemic because we don’t turn into violent incels.
Women have been talking about these issues and male VAWG for years, and now Stephen Graham and Louis Theroux (don’t get me wrong, I love them both) have mentioned it, it’s all over the news and on the school curriculum.
Men are lonely, we get it. Go to therapy and leave women out of it. It’s only come to light because women are raising their standards and refusing to engage with losers and they have realised they don’t like it.
Women have been talking about these issues and male VAWG for years, and now Stephen Graham and Louis Theroux (don’t get me wrong, I love them both) have mentioned it, it’s all over the news and on the school curriculum.
Men are lonely, we get it. Go to therapy and leave women out of it. It’s only come to light because women are raising their standards and refusing to engage with losers and they have realised they don’t like it.
incels be incelling
I really like HS 
I like how he speaks the truth in a lot of what he says. The lefties like Louis and Piers couldn’t deal with it because they’re usually talking to people that are full of tit
I like how he speaks the truth in a lot of what he says. The lefties like Louis and Piers couldn’t deal with it because they’re usually talking to people that are full of titMy take-home from Inside The Manosphere was that society needs more emotionally and physically available fathers.
The men drawn into this red pill bull have a common theme in their lives: absent or abusive fathers. We’ve framed “daddy issues” (hate that term, but I’ll use it because we all know what it means) inherently as a woman’s problem but it’s abundantly clear that a lack of positive masculine influence affects boys and girls equally as negatively. I look at these manosphere men and think how on earth could a woman be happy to settle for one-sided monogamy, humiliation, abuse, breadcrumbing and disloyalty just as long as there’s cash, and then I realise, many of them probably have absent and abusive fathers too. It’s just appears perpetual cycle of men with daddy issues exploiting women with daddy issues, ad infinitum.
We need to reframe what it is to be “masculine”: proud, protective, providing, with softness, accountability, and emotional integrity. Masculinity isn’t bullying, berating and blindly chasing billions of dollars at any cost.
The men drawn into this red pill bull have a common theme in their lives: absent or abusive fathers. We’ve framed “daddy issues” (hate that term, but I’ll use it because we all know what it means) inherently as a woman’s problem but it’s abundantly clear that a lack of positive masculine influence affects boys and girls equally as negatively. I look at these manosphere men and think how on earth could a woman be happy to settle for one-sided monogamy, humiliation, abuse, breadcrumbing and disloyalty just as long as there’s cash, and then I realise, many of them probably have absent and abusive fathers too. It’s just appears perpetual cycle of men with daddy issues exploiting women with daddy issues, ad infinitum.
We need to reframe what it is to be “masculine”: proud, protective, providing, with softness, accountability, and emotional integrity. Masculinity isn’t bullying, berating and blindly chasing billions of dollars at any cost.
Who is Piers?I really like HS
Slightly off topic, but there’s another documentary on Netflix that I think really showcases how lives can be turned around when troubled men are incentivised to learn to be better fathers. The focus is on daughters of troubled men here, I pray for the manosphere conversation to bring wider acknowledgement of the impact absent fathers have on sons and how repairs can be made.
Piers Morgan absolute lefty
Do you know how ridiculous this sounds? What ‘truth’ is a grifter tiktoker saying that nobody else is?I really like HS
Yay for sexism, homophobia and anti semitism because these libtards are getting owned
I hate lefties lol!!Do you know how ridiculous this sounds? What ‘truth’ is a grifter tiktoker saying that nobody else is?
Yay for sexism, homophobia and anti semitism because these libtards are getting owned