The JonBenét Ramsey Case.

[monga]

The bowl of pineapple with her brothers fingerprints , she had eaten pineapple according to the autopsy report but her parents never fed her any! The lack of semen but a sexual assault occurred, a 9 yr old would need help to write such a long ransom note if the brother is guilty her parents covered for him, the whole thing seems really off and immature.

 

[Restless Native]

What about the taser theory?

 

[Hally34]

The idea that two loving parents sexually assaulted their beloved child's corpse to prevent a little kid from going to prison defies all logic. They're rich and white, and powerfully connected. No kid from that background is going to get sent to prison or foster care for an accident. It also just doesn't make any sense that they'd be so cavalier about Burke the next morning (not paying attention to where he was, letting him go away with friends without any concern about him saying anything) if the whole thing was a cover up to protect him. He was so young, would you really trust a kid that young who'd just been through an unimaginably violent experience to keep their mouth shut?



The autopsy (the full non-redacted autopsy results that were released much later on, not the original, redacted autopsy results that the Ramseys' own experts commented on to the press) showed conclusively that she'd been routinely sexually abused over the course of a long period of time. Statistically that points to an adult male relative.

It seems unlikely that the person who'd been molesting her, wasn't the same person as the one who killed her.

There is evidence that JB had been sexually abused before the night of the crime. However, I don’t see it being a sure thing that it was her father. Being on the pageant circuit she would have been around male photographers (one of the photographers has since been convicted I recall). She had older brothers. Christ it could have been her doctor or dentist for all we know or a teacher or another male relative / friend of the family. Her father is one of many people that may have abused her. It could have been the intruder on previous occasions if they had access to JB if they did know the family.

His surviving daughter categorically denies he ever did anything to her and was anything other than a great father.

Sadly JB may have been abused in the past by someone she knew as well as then being murdered by a stalker and these not be the same person. Being on the pageant circuit opened her up to a wider community of people some of who had bad motives.

It’s abhorrent which ever way it was.

 

[Ensay]

Her body was found in the house.

I know, I just think the Ramseys planned for things to go differently than they ended up.

 

[Beauhead]

This story will never die.

 

[ElChanguito]

I love the theories around this case, nice to see this thread wake up again. I believe they’ve said that the garrotte didn’t kill her, so in my eyes Burke is still a strong possibility. As a linguist, I still think a woman wrote that note - it leans heavily towards feminine writing styles. Didn’t know John’s semen was found - is this new info?

Yeah, I think it is new info, but I listened to eight hours of that podcast! So at some point I will listen to all the episodes again and make sure I heard that part correctly. On the podcast they kinda dismissed it and said it didn’t seem like much, but I don’t know….seems awfully strange for a 23 year old who didn’t even live with them

 

[CallMeHollywood]

They actually didn't specify the DNA type but in the doc said they ruled out the father. They showed images of her underwear and PJ bottoms together whilst talking about DNA,

they found dna in the underwear that was JBR’s a few years back but couldn’t rule out that it was brand new and hadn’t been washed, which meant the DNA could have been from the worker who made them. Are they retesting it?

 

[Nelly's mum]

I know a stun gun was suggested for the small marks on JonBenet, I remember watching something years ago that disputed this - the space between the marks varied and wasn't the same as a stun gun. I also heard that the electric toy train track was suggested as the cause of the marks.

Another strange point was the bindings; the binding to JonBenet's neck was really tight, cutting into her skin, the bindings to her wrists were loose and carefully tied on top of her cuffs. Just an odd detail

 

[Nelly's mum]

Yeah, I think it is new info, but I listened to eight hours of that podcast! So at some point I will listen to all the episodes again and make sure I heard that part correctly. On the podcast they kinda dismissed it and said it didn’t seem like much, but I don’t know….seems awfully strange for a 23 year old who didn’t even live with them

Sorry - who is the 23yo who didn't live with them?

 

[monga]

In the first video with her father above. They also found DNA of an unknown male on her clothing. The father is currently trying to get access to the found DNA to cross match to their suspect list.

Don't think the brother wrote the note himself though.

Some cold cases in the US have been solved after 35 + 50 years because of 23&me sites linking relatives..

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What type of DNA ? The scene was contaminated, it could just as easily end up being her dads he carried her from the basement.

 

[Justhereforthedrama]

There is evidence of a break in. Rope was found in the spare room. A window was unsecured in the basement. The perpetrator may have come and gone via this entrance multiple times as they watched JB and the movements of the family. I think he was watching the family for some time and was obsessed with JB. A suitcase was under the window in order to use this window as a way to come and go.

I see nothing to suggest it wasn’t a lone intruder.. In fact it being multiple people seems unlikely especially given the crime is unsolved. The more people involved usually the more evidence and the more likely someone lets something slip or they turn on one another.

The perps actions suggest he was aware of them having gone to the party and therefore felt comfortable that he had some time before they returned. He was confident moving his way around the house.

He had been in the home and seen paperwork (in John’s office) or heard about John’s bonus. The family talking about it etc when stalking them and leaned on this nugget of intel. Or he may have known the family, known JB. He used these details in order to show how close his was to them. He didn’t want it to be known he had sexual motives so he used a kidnapping and ransom to appear less of a horrendous person.
The note is strange and has a lot of odd details written by a disturbed and strange mind. He felt close to the family.

There was no footprints because there was no snow on this side of the house. Do look at the photos for yourself and it’s well shown and explained in the latest doc.

They left the ransom note because they had already placed it there before taking her down to the basement, before they changed their plan. They never intended to kill her there but the plan changed. Once she was dead he left her there and escaped through the basement window.

It is fascinating how we can interpret the same evidence so differently. There has just been no evidence of the family being to blame that I find convincing and the way it would have panned out if it was them is so bizarre.

It would be fascinating to see a reenactment of both narratives - intruder vs family using all the same evidence and see how them both play out and which feels the most likely.

If JB was hit by Burke by him lashing out and seemingly dead (as a parent you usually would still desperately cling to her being saveable and call for help even if they are already dead), that isn’t a cold blooded murder. Their lives were already ruined by her being dead. Why stage a crazy scene vs call and claim an accident. Calling for help seems the least risky course of action.
John’s (I believe genuine) reaction to finding her body was to try to save her still. This is the natural reaction of a parent who’s found their child gagged and wounded even if cold to touch.
There is no explanation for why John is pushing to retest evidence and items that hadn’t been tested, if he knows his family are to blame as he has no way of knowing if the DNA would they lead them back to them.

Would love to hear your thoughts after watching the new Netflix. I’m sure we’d still be debating though!

I shall definitely watch it and come back here! My belief that it was done by the family is based on James Kolar's book, the evidence he lays out and puts together was absolutely compelling to me plus the issues with the ransom note.

But yes it is a fascinating case
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You should look at Kolar's twitter account, hes full Qanon, really crazy James Kolar (@JamesKolar4) / X