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Claudia Elizabeth Lawrence (born 27 February 1974) is an English woman who was last seen and heard from on 18 March 2009. She was employed as a chef at the University of York's Goodricke College at the time of her disappearance. Although the police have treated Lawrence's case as that of murder, with various people arrested but later released, her fate is unclear.

Background[edit]
Claudia Lawrence was born in Malton, North Riding of Yorkshire, in 1974. She spent her early life with her father Peter (died 2021),[2] mother Joan and older sister Ali. Lawrence's father was a prosperous solicitor. Her mother was a member of Malton Town Council and served a term as mayor of the town.[3]

View attachment 2949254Claudia Lawrence's house in Heworth
Lawrence enjoyed a comfortable childhood and was privately educated at the York College for Girls. She later attended a local catering college and qualified as a chef. She initially worked at several hotels and restaurants in York, but became tired of the unsocial hours this involved. In 2006 she found employment at the University of York's Goodricke College, working as a chef in the canteen of the university's main campus. In 2007 Lawrence purchased a terraced cottage in the York suburb of Heworth, situated about three miles (5 km) from her place of work. Lawrence was considered punctual and reliable by her employer.[1]

Lawrence remained single throughout her life while enjoying a gregarious social life. She was reported to have engaged in a series of short-term relationships often conducted on a concurrent basis; she was reported to have had a number of "covert sexual relationships" with men, some of whom were married or in relationships.[4] Lawrence was discreet about this and her family knew little about her relationships with men. This aspect of her lifestyle would later cause some media speculation and would also influence the police investigation of her disappearance. After moving to Heworth in 2007, Lawrence would regularly spend evenings at The Nag's Head pub[1] close to her home. "Lawrence began relationships with several men whom she met while drinking in the pub, and her father admitted that the liaisons had created 'awkward situations' with her lovers' partners".[5]

Lawrence had been to Cyprus on holiday several times, and she was believed to have explored job opportunities there.[6]

Disappearance[edit]
Last known whereabouts[edit]
At 6:00 a.m. on the morning of 18 March 2009, Lawrence started her shift at Goodricke College's Roger Kirk Centre. She completed her shift at 2:00 p.m. and was recorded on CCTV leaving the college on foot a few minutes later. Around 3:00 p.m. she was recorded on CCTV passing a shop in Melrosegate near her home and was seen by a neighbour. During the course of the evening Lawrence spoke to both her father and mother on her mobile phone. Her mother described Lawrence's mood as normal and relaxed. The two women discussed celebrating the forthcoming Mother's Day.[7] Lawrence told her mother she was at home and that she planned to retire early since she would have to rise before 5:00 a.m. the next day in order to walk to work, her car being under repair. She sent a final text message from her mobile phone at 8:23 p.m. and a final incoming text was received at 9:12 p.m. Thereafter nobody is known to have seen or heard from Lawrence.[1]

Reported missing[edit]
On 19 March, Lawrence was scheduled to start work at 6:00 a.m. She did not report for duty. Her manager called her mobile phone number but although the phone rang, the call was directed to voice messaging. The manager took no further action. Lawrence had previously arranged to meet her friend Suzy Cooper at The Nag's Head that night. Cooper attended the appointment but Lawrence did not. Cooper then attempted to contact Lawrence by telephone. Lawrence was normally a prolific user of her mobile, a Samsung SGH-D900, so Cooper was surprised when she was unable to attract a response. Cooper attempted to contact Lawrence again on the morning of Friday, 20 March, but again without success.[7] At this point Cooper became alarmed and contacted mutual acquaintances including George Forman, landlord of The Nag's Head, to obtain information concerning her possible whereabouts.

Cooper telephoned Claudia's father Peter on 20 March to report the situation. Peter telephoned his daughter's manager at Goodricke College and was told that she had not reported for duty on either 19 or 20 March. Peter then entered Claudia's home using his own key in company with George Forman.[7][8] The two men found the house to be in an orderly state. The bed was made and there were unwashed dishes in the kitchen sink, suggesting she had eaten breakfast. Lawrence's handbag containing her purse, bank cards and passport was in the house. The only significant items missing were her mobile phone, a set of hair straighteners and a rucksack which she normally used to carry her chef's whites to and from work. Indications were that Lawrence had left the house normally to go to work at around 5:00 a.m. on the morning of 19 March, but had never arrived.[9]

The North Yorkshire Police (NYP) was contacted at around 2:00 p.m. on 20 March in order to report Lawrence as a missing person. Police officers met with Lawrence's father at her home later that day. NYP was initially slow to act on grounds that Lawrence was not a vulnerable person and there was no obvious evidence of violence. They considered it likely that she had decided to absent herself and would reappear after a few days. However, NYP officers checked her route to work and sent out a public request for information. Lawrence's family became increasingly insistent that she must have been abducted. After five weeks NYP upgraded the enquiry from a missing person one to one of suspected murder.[10]

Case progress[edit]
Original investigation[edit]
The original NYP investigation of Lawrence's disappearance considered various possibilities, including:

  • That Lawrence had left with a new lover or to take up a new job or merely to take a break. In recent years (2015-20), there have been an average of around 3,500 missing persons reports per year in the NYP area.[11] The large majority of these cases are quickly resolved when the missing person reappears. However, as time went on Lawrence's family became increasingly insistent that she would have contacted them had she been able to do so. This possibility was eventually dismissed.[12]
  • That Lawrence had suffered an accident or medical emergency on her way into work. The route from her home to place of work was checked at an early stage and no trace of her was found. This possibility was quickly dismissed.
  • That Lawrence had been the victim of a chance encounter with a serial killer. Reports were made of various people behaving strangely in the Heworth area in the days leading up to Lawrence's disappearance. These reports were investigated but without conclusive result. Cases of known serial killers who might have been active in the area were also considered but discounted.[13]
  • That Lawrence had been the victim of a person known to her. Criminal profilers suspect Lawrence knew her attacker and suspect her personal life holds the clue to her disappearance.[14] Most murder victims know their killer.[15]
One critical piece of evidence was that Lawrence's mobile phone remained on until 12:10 p.m. on 19 March, at which time it was deliberately switched off.[7] It was determined that the phone had been connected to a mast in the Heworth area of York throughout the morning of 19 March and up to the point it was switched off. This indicates that the phone itself did not leave the local area. The only CCTV camera on Lawrence's most direct route to work was at the Melrosegate Post Office, and the recording from the morning of 19 March did not show Lawrence passing, although that is not critical since she might have passed out of camera view or used a parallel street.[7]

The independent crime-fighting charity Crimestoppers offered a reward of £10,000 to anyone providing information which would lead to the arrest and conviction of any person linked to the disappearance.[16] NYP received over 1,200 calls offering information. An appeal for help was made by John Sentamu, the Archbishop of York.[17][18] In early June 2009, a reconstruction of Lawrence's last known movements was featured in an appeal on BBC One's Crimewatch.[19] Also in June, 100 days after his daughter went missing, Peter Lawrence launched a YouTube appeal for information.[20] In late August 2009, NYP and the Lawrence family used the annual Whitby Regatta in North Yorkshire to publicise the campaign.[21]

In September 2009, NYP revealed that the search for Lawrence had been extended to Cyprus. Detective Superintendent Ray Galloway stated that Lawrence "knew several people who live on the island" and that she may have "received job offers" while there.[22] Galloway also stated that some people who had been interviewed had been "reluctant and less than candid" when spoken to, and that a team of officers had been sent to Cyprus to interview people whom Lawrence met there.[23] It was reported that the last text message received by Lawrence was from a man who was on the island.[24]

Later in September, detectives made a search of an area of the University of York campus.[25] In October, NYP revealed they were looking for the driver of a "rusty white van" who was seen trying to talk to women on Lawrence's route to work in the days before she disappeared.[26] On 24 March 2010, NYP began searching areas of Heslington in York, based on new information received "in the last few days".[27] On 24 March, land near to a children's play area, near a muddy farm track, was searched, and on 25 March the search was relocated to a field near to the university, an area of land which is bordered by a playing field and student accommodation.[28] Nothing of significance was discovered.[29] The search at Heslington was later considered to have been prompted by hoax information.[30]

Galloway indicated that the probable explanation for Lawrence's disappearance lay in her lifestyle, principally in the "complexity and mystery" of her relationships with men. The investigation centred around construction of a "rogue's gallery" of the men she had been involved with. One Sky News journalist stated, "Claudia apparently lived a significant part of her life in secret. For a privately educated daughter of a country solicitor, Claudia had some unusual acquaintances and this remains the only missing person case where I have been warned off or threatened—not once but twice".[6] The general finding which emerged from the original enquiry was that Lawrence had probably been abducted and murdered shortly after leaving home on 19 March. It was considered likely that her killer was a local man known to her.

2013 Major Crime Unit review[edit]
In June 2013, NYP announced the £300,000 creation of a new Major Crime Unit (MCU), set up to ease the burden on day-to-day policing. Based in Harrogate, the MCU was to be tasked from October 2013 to handle crimes including rape and kidnap, and review cold cases.[31] In July 2013, NYP said the unit would assess several "stalled" cases when it opened in October, including Lawrence's disappearance.[32]

The MCU subsequently assessed the Lawrence case and carried out new forensic searches at her home on Heworth Road. Using what were described as "advanced techniques not available in 2009",[33] the MCU found additional fingerprints and a man's DNA on a cigarette end in her car. Work surrounding her mobile phone showed from cell site activity that she had spent time in the Acomb area of York in the weeks leading up to her disappearance.[33] On the fifth anniversary of the disappearance, a new appeal was made on Crimewatch, which aired on 19 March 2014.[33] CCTV footage, recovered in 2009, showed a silver Ford Focus hatchback car, manufactured between 1998 and 2004, driving along Heworth Road. The car's brake lights come on as it approaches level with Lawrence's cottage.[34]

The new investigation, led by Detective Dai Malyn, made a number of arrests. On 13 May 2014, a 59-year-old man was arrested by NYP on suspicion of Lawrence's murder. He lived close to her home and had been a colleague of hers at the University of York. The two were reported to have been on friendly terms and he had often given her lifts in his car to and from work.[35] Searches were made of the suspect's house in York and his mother's house in North Shields, Tyneside. He was released on police bail the following day[36] and then released from his bail without charge in November of that year.[37] In July 2014, NYP arrested Paul Harris, the landlord of The Acomb pub (since renamed as The Clockhouse pub) in York on suspicion of perverting the course of justice. Harris was quickly released without charge. He complained that the police had excavated a section of the cellar floor of his pub. Harris stated that Lawrence had been a customer at his pub in the weeks before her disappearance and he had spoken to her, but stated that was his only connection with her.[38] Other arrests were made later, but those concerned were all released and none were charged.[39]

In 2015, police released CCTV footage of an unidentified man walking nearby to the alleyway at the rear of Claudia's home on 18 March 2009 at 7:15 p.m. and 19 March 2009 at 5:07 a.m./5:50 a.m..[40]

On 8 March 2016, the Crown Prosecution Service refused to pursue a case submitted by NYP against four men who had been arrested on suspicion of murder, citing lack of evidence. The suspects had all been regular customers of The Nag's Head. They all denied any involvement in Lawrence's disappearance.[41] The NYP complained about a lack of co-operation from witnesses.[42] The second investigation then ended having achieved little.
Thanks so much for starting this thread. I often wonder what happened to Claudia.
 
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I often think of Claudia, I visited York with friends after she went missing, there were posters and flyers about her everywhere. I’m not that clued up on the case but I recall the media portraying Claudia in a certain light because of her lifestyle choices.

The photo of her house in the first post made me google it, and according to an article it has been left almost untouched since Claudia went missing and it’s been left unoccupied for 15 years now. Her clothes are in the wardrobe, a candle her mum bought her the Christmas before she went missing is still on the fireplace. Really sad.
 
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Claudia Elizabeth Lawrence (born 27 February 1974) is an English woman who was last seen and heard from on 18 March 2009. She was employed as a chef at the University of York's Goodricke College at the time of her disappearance. Although the police have treated Lawrence's case as that of murder, with various people arrested but later released, her fate is unclear.

Background[edit]
Claudia Lawrence was born in Malton, North Riding of Yorkshire, in 1974. She spent her early life with her father Peter (died 2021),[2] mother Joan and older sister Ali. Lawrence's father was a prosperous solicitor. Her mother was a member of Malton Town Council and served a term as mayor of the town.[3]

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Claudia Lawrence's house in Heworth
Lawrence enjoyed a comfortable childhood and was privately educated at the York College for Girls. She later attended a local catering college and qualified as a chef. She initially worked at several hotels and restaurants in York, but became tired of the unsocial hours this involved. In 2006 she found employment at the University of York's Goodricke College, working as a chef in the canteen of the university's main campus. In 2007 Lawrence purchased a terraced cottage in the York suburb of Heworth, situated about three miles (5 km) from her place of work. Lawrence was considered punctual and reliable by her employer.[1]

Lawrence remained single throughout her life while enjoying a gregarious social life. She was reported to have engaged in a series of short-term relationships often conducted on a concurrent basis; she was reported to have had a number of "covert sexual relationships" with men, some of whom were married or in relationships.[4] Lawrence was discreet about this and her family knew little about her relationships with men. This aspect of her lifestyle would later cause some media speculation and would also influence the police investigation of her disappearance. After moving to Heworth in 2007, Lawrence would regularly spend evenings at The Nag's Head pub[1] close to her home. "Lawrence began relationships with several men whom she met while drinking in the pub, and her father admitted that the liaisons had created 'awkward situations' with her lovers' partners".[5]

Lawrence had been to Cyprus on holiday several times, and she was believed to have explored job opportunities there.[6]

Disappearance[edit]
Last known whereabouts[edit]
At 6:00 a.m. on the morning of 18 March 2009, Lawrence started her shift at Goodricke College's Roger Kirk Centre. She completed her shift at 2:00 p.m. and was recorded on CCTV leaving the college on foot a few minutes later. Around 3:00 p.m. she was recorded on CCTV passing a shop in Melrosegate near her home and was seen by a neighbour. During the course of the evening Lawrence spoke to both her father and mother on her mobile phone. Her mother described Lawrence's mood as normal and relaxed. The two women discussed celebrating the forthcoming Mother's Day.[7] Lawrence told her mother she was at home and that she planned to retire early since she would have to rise before 5:00 a.m. the next day in order to walk to work, her car being under repair. She sent a final text message from her mobile phone at 8:23 p.m. and a final incoming text was received at 9:12 p.m. Thereafter nobody is known to have seen or heard from Lawrence.[1]

Reported missing[edit]
On 19 March, Lawrence was scheduled to start work at 6:00 a.m. She did not report for duty. Her manager called her mobile phone number but although the phone rang, the call was directed to voice messaging. The manager took no further action. Lawrence had previously arranged to meet her friend Suzy Cooper at The Nag's Head that night. Cooper attended the appointment but Lawrence did not. Cooper then attempted to contact Lawrence by telephone. Lawrence was normally a prolific user of her mobile, a Samsung SGH-D900, so Cooper was surprised when she was unable to attract a response. Cooper attempted to contact Lawrence again on the morning of Friday, 20 March, but again without success.[7] At this point Cooper became alarmed and contacted mutual acquaintances including George Forman, landlord of The Nag's Head, to obtain information concerning her possible whereabouts.

Cooper telephoned Claudia's father Peter on 20 March to report the situation. Peter telephoned his daughter's manager at Goodricke College and was told that she had not reported for duty on either 19 or 20 March. Peter then entered Claudia's home using his own key in company with George Forman.[7][8] The two men found the house to be in an orderly state. The bed was made and there were unwashed dishes in the kitchen sink, suggesting she had eaten breakfast. Lawrence's handbag containing her purse, bank cards and passport was in the house. The only significant items missing were her mobile phone, a set of hair straighteners and a rucksack which she normally used to carry her chef's whites to and from work. Indications were that Lawrence had left the house normally to go to work at around 5:00 a.m. on the morning of 19 March, but had never arrived.[9]

The North Yorkshire Police (NYP) was contacted at around 2:00 p.m. on 20 March in order to report Lawrence as a missing person. Police officers met with Lawrence's father at her home later that day. NYP was initially slow to act on grounds that Lawrence was not a vulnerable person and there was no obvious evidence of violence. They considered it likely that she had decided to absent herself and would reappear after a few days. However, NYP officers checked her route to work and sent out a public request for information. Lawrence's family became increasingly insistent that she must have been abducted. After five weeks NYP upgraded the enquiry from a missing person one to one of suspected murder.[10]

Case progress[edit]
Original investigation[edit]
The original NYP investigation of Lawrence's disappearance considered various possibilities, including:

  • That Lawrence had left with a new lover or to take up a new job or merely to take a break. In recent years (2015-20), there have been an average of around 3,500 missing persons reports per year in the NYP area.[11] The large majority of these cases are quickly resolved when the missing person reappears. However, as time went on Lawrence's family became increasingly insistent that she would have contacted them had she been able to do so. This possibility was eventually dismissed.[12]
  • That Lawrence had suffered an accident or medical emergency on her way into work. The route from her home to place of work was checked at an early stage and no trace of her was found. This possibility was quickly dismissed.
  • That Lawrence had been the victim of a chance encounter with a serial killer. Reports were made of various people behaving strangely in the Heworth area in the days leading up to Lawrence's disappearance. These reports were investigated but without conclusive result. Cases of known serial killers who might have been active in the area were also considered but discounted.[13]
  • That Lawrence had been the victim of a person known to her. Criminal profilers suspect Lawrence knew her attacker and suspect her personal life holds the clue to her disappearance.[14] Most murder victims know their killer.[15]
One critical piece of evidence was that Lawrence's mobile phone remained on until 12:10 p.m. on 19 March, at which time it was deliberately switched off.[7] It was determined that the phone had been connected to a mast in the Heworth area of York throughout the morning of 19 March and up to the point it was switched off. This indicates that the phone itself did not leave the local area. The only CCTV camera on Lawrence's most direct route to work was at the Melrosegate Post Office, and the recording from the morning of 19 March did not show Lawrence passing, although that is not critical since she might have passed out of camera view or used a parallel street.[7]

The independent crime-fighting charity Crimestoppers offered a reward of £10,000 to anyone providing information which would lead to the arrest and conviction of any person linked to the disappearance.[16] NYP received over 1,200 calls offering information. An appeal for help was made by John Sentamu, the Archbishop of York.[17][18] In early June 2009, a reconstruction of Lawrence's last known movements was featured in an appeal on BBC One's Crimewatch.[19] Also in June, 100 days after his daughter went missing, Peter Lawrence launched a YouTube appeal for information.[20] In late August 2009, NYP and the Lawrence family used the annual Whitby Regatta in North Yorkshire to publicise the campaign.[21]

In September 2009, NYP revealed that the search for Lawrence had been extended to Cyprus. Detective Superintendent Ray Galloway stated that Lawrence "knew several people who live on the island" and that she may have "received job offers" while there.[22] Galloway also stated that some people who had been interviewed had been "reluctant and less than candid" when spoken to, and that a team of officers had been sent to Cyprus to interview people whom Lawrence met there.[23] It was reported that the last text message received by Lawrence was from a man who was on the island.[24]

Later in September, detectives made a search of an area of the University of York campus.[25] In October, NYP revealed they were looking for the driver of a "rusty white van" who was seen trying to talk to women on Lawrence's route to work in the days before she disappeared.[26] On 24 March 2010, NYP began searching areas of Heslington in York, based on new information received "in the last few days".[27] On 24 March, land near to a children's play area, near a muddy farm track, was searched, and on 25 March the search was relocated to a field near to the university, an area of land which is bordered by a playing field and student accommodation.[28] Nothing of significance was discovered.[29] The search at Heslington was later considered to have been prompted by hoax information.[30]

Galloway indicated that the probable explanation for Lawrence's disappearance lay in her lifestyle, principally in the "complexity and mystery" of her relationships with men. The investigation centred around construction of a "rogue's gallery" of the men she had been involved with. One Sky News journalist stated, "Claudia apparently lived a significant part of her life in secret. For a privately educated daughter of a country solicitor, Claudia had some unusual acquaintances and this remains the only missing person case where I have been warned off or threatened—not once but twice".[6] The general finding which emerged from the original enquiry was that Lawrence had probably been abducted and murdered shortly after leaving home on 19 March. It was considered likely that her killer was a local man known to her.

2013 Major Crime Unit review[edit]
In June 2013, NYP announced the £300,000 creation of a new Major Crime Unit (MCU), set up to ease the burden on day-to-day policing. Based in Harrogate, the MCU was to be tasked from October 2013 to handle crimes including rape and kidnap, and review cold cases.[31] In July 2013, NYP said the unit would assess several "stalled" cases when it opened in October, including Lawrence's disappearance.[32]

The MCU subsequently assessed the Lawrence case and carried out new forensic searches at her home on Heworth Road. Using what were described as "advanced techniques not available in 2009",[33] the MCU found additional fingerprints and a man's DNA on a cigarette end in her car. Work surrounding her mobile phone showed from cell site activity that she had spent time in the Acomb area of York in the weeks leading up to her disappearance.[33] On the fifth anniversary of the disappearance, a new appeal was made on Crimewatch, which aired on 19 March 2014.[33] CCTV footage, recovered in 2009, showed a silver Ford Focus hatchback car, manufactured between 1998 and 2004, driving along Heworth Road. The car's brake lights come on as it approaches level with Lawrence's cottage.[34]

The new investigation, led by Detective Dai Malyn, made a number of arrests. On 13 May 2014, a 59-year-old man was arrested by NYP on suspicion of Lawrence's murder. He lived close to her home and had been a colleague of hers at the University of York. The two were reported to have been on friendly terms and he had often given her lifts in his car to and from work.[35] Searches were made of the suspect's house in York and his mother's house in North Shields, Tyneside. He was released on police bail the following day[36] and then released from his bail without charge in November of that year.[37] In July 2014, NYP arrested Paul Harris, the landlord of The Acomb pub (since renamed as The Clockhouse pub) in York on suspicion of perverting the course of justice. Harris was quickly released without charge. He complained that the police had excavated a section of the cellar floor of his pub. Harris stated that Lawrence had been a customer at his pub in the weeks before her disappearance and he had spoken to her, but stated that was his only connection with her.[38] Other arrests were made later, but those concerned were all released and none were charged.[39]

In 2015, police released CCTV footage of an unidentified man walking nearby to the alleyway at the rear of Claudia's home on 18 March 2009 at 7:15 p.m. and 19 March 2009 at 5:07 a.m./5:50 a.m..[40]

On 8 March 2016, the Crown Prosecution Service refused to pursue a case submitted by NYP against four men who had been arrested on suspicion of murder, citing lack of evidence. The suspects had all been regular customers of The Nag's Head. They all denied any involvement in Lawrence's disappearance.[41] The NYP complained about a lack of co-operation from witnesses.[42] The second investigation then ended having achieved little.
 
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It was inspired by me listening to a new podcast called Answers for Claudia . We have been chatting about it on the Real Crime and Murder thread but it was becoming a bit dominant over the past few pages so I decided to create a new thread.
Its really good quality I found. Unfortunately its not on any of the free streaming platforms but I signed up for a free trial and finished it in a day.

He spends time with her mother, who is as determined and forward looking as she can be, but she seems incredibly vulnerable. People coming up to her on the street saying they've tracked Claudia to Spain. The journalist treats her very sensitively and is as outraged at the people stepping over the line as I was. I do think her Mum has a very sheltered image of what her daughter was like, said she wouldn't have engaged in relationships\affairs because she had a Christian upbringing.

Its not particularly flattering to her father, the friends from the pub or her families 'self appointed spokesman' (who has no experience in the role). One of the friends from the pub says 'statistically it should have been one of us, statistically it probably was one of us' which is bizarre. People seem to hint at a strange relationship with him but no one will say anything on record.

There is a suggestion at the end that she was murdered for financial reasons and that her body has been destroyed. They have a credible witness who had a confession relayed to them as a threat 'do this or I'll have you done in like they did Claudia Lawrence' They do mention the fathers financial problems a lot in the podcast and there is a section about the Claudia Lawrence fund, which took money which is now unaccounted for.
 
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I finally managed to finish reading that this morning. It’s quite..erm..detailed, isn‘t it?
I do believe the person though, she seems to know more detail than would be feasible to falsify.

So the four arrested she alleges are the two brothers(the Ruanes) , this man from the pub, Cooper(she calls him 'uncouth') and her friend from the university (Snelling).

Cooper meets the description of the man seen outside in the morning because of his distinctive mac coat. The others, who knows.

What I found interesting is that her friend Jen King (who is all over interviewing, and is on the new podcast) is married to\in a relationship with one of the accused. And that was not mentioned at all on the podcast.

I think this group of people are the people forming the 'wall of silence'.
 
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Thank you for starting this thread. So it seems that there is likely to be a conspiracy of people behind this?

Sometimes it can take many years to get justice for a murder victim. I was reading about Caroline Glachan’s killers only being brought to justice at the beginning of this year and Caroline’s friends said that they have known full well all these years who probably killed Caroline and had to see them walking the streets, free. One of them had died and was never brought to justice.
knowing the evidence threshold even to arrest is fairly high, they must have stuff on these four men. Maybe phone records, locations, interview answers.

I reckon everyone who was part of the 'lock in crew' knows something.
 
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Thanks for creating the thread, I'll reply to you over here 🙂.

There is definitely the technology to deal with the wall and would have been years ago too, it's more that they used the wrong height for it (for those that haven't listened to the podcast, the height of the wall changed between the time of the CCTV footage and when the analysis was done, so they used an incorrect measurement). This would have given them an inaccurate height for the suspect in terms of info they released to the public in the last appeal.

The footage wasn't very clear, from memory it was very dark with quite a bit of noise. I'm not sure what year it was last analysed though (or with what software, obviously). Sometimes unfortunately, even with the best software available, the images can't be improved.

I definitely think people know who was involved, they either just don't want to say or can't say because they believe they'd be putting themselves at risk.

It's a case I think about often. It's horrible that people can just vanish with no trace.
 
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I finally managed to finish reading that this morning. It’s quite..erm..detailed, isn‘t it?
I have to say I wasn’t prepared for the last sentence of the article and re-read it a couple of times 😅 Still can’t work out why it ends like this??


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Other than that I found it interesting to read. Can anyone recommend any good books about the case?
 
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I read on a reddit post a long time ago about this case and there was a local person on there saying that everyone (including the police) know what happened, who did it etc but nobody would speak because of the risk of what would happen to them if they did and that the police were basically waiting for someone to crack so they'd have enough evidence.
I just had a quick look but I can't find the post 😫
 
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Upintheair83

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It was inspired by me listening to a new podcast called Answers for Claudia . We have been chatting about it on the Real Crime and Murder thread but it was becoming a bit dominant over the past few pages so I decided to create a new thread.
Its really good quality I found. Unfortunately its not on any of the free streaming platforms but I signed up for a free trial and finished it in a day.

He spends time with her mother, who is as determined and forward looking as she can be, but she seems incredibly vulnerable. People coming up to her on the street saying they've tracked Claudia to Spain. The journalist treats her very sensitively and is as outraged at the people stepping over the line as I was. I do think her Mum has a very sheltered image of what her daughter was like, said she wouldn't have engaged in relationships\affairs because she had a Christian upbringing.

Its not particularly flattering to her father, the friends from the pub or her families 'self appointed spokesman' (who has no experience in the role). One of the friends from the pub says 'statistically it should have been one of us, statistically it probably was one of us' which is bizarre. People seem to hint at a strange relationship with him but no one will say anything on record.

There is a suggestion at the end that she was murdered for financial reasons and that her body has been destroyed. They have a credible witness who had a confession relayed to them as a threat 'do this or I'll have you done in like they did Claudia Lawrence' They do mention the fathers financial problems a lot in the podcast and there is a section about the Claudia Lawrence fund, which took money which is now unaccounted for.
I'd love to listen to that. I might look into it, even if I have to pay.
Your debrief had shocked me because I didn't know about any of this- especially some of the things about her father. I always used to feel so sorry for him and when he died, i did actually feel quite sad that he had passed without getting any answers.

Like the other poster mentioned, i remember the cctv footage wasn't of much help. But iv always heard the whispers that the locals think she may have been buried under the concrete (of a carpark I think?).
I just find the whole thing so sad. How can someone just vansih like that???
 
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One thing I think is really strange is if her friend, Jen King, is married to or in a relationship with one of the men arrested, why would you stay with him?
The police must have a decent amount of evidence to arrest him, just not enough to charge?
It also makes her statement (at least I think it was her) saying that statistically it was one of Claudia's friends even more chilling.

I found this article on reddit. Another medium article and is quite long but I'm trying to wade my way through it. The two siblings are mentioned in here and it was through a discussion on reddit about how the Locals knew it was this person that I found the article (again could just be rumours!)

Blimey and I thought the other article was long! There's so many things wrong with the way they put things across. They talk in definites about hypothetical scenarios an awful lot.

There is some useful information in there but you have to wade through a lot of guff to find it.

I did a lot of eye rolling at the CCTV analysis. I'd love to know who their 'friend who is really good at CCTV' is and why they don't seem to know that not all footage displays a time stamp. I'd also love to know how they came up with the vehicle speed (not convinced they'd get an accurate frame rate from a snippet of Police released footage no matter what software they put it in).

Relevant, or at least interesting bits of info (just my opinion obviously) are her behaviour when drunk and yet another account of her naivety and the 'dodgy' mates with connection to other countries she's seems to have collected.

I'm not really convinced the builder/locksmith brothers have anything to do with her disappearance. I'd be more inclined to think she found out something she shouldn't or pissed the wrong person off. I've also begun to wonder if she had some sort of drug issue which isn't something I've thought before.

In amongst that horror of an article there are some laugh of loud moments. The highlights were the photo captions, which included: "some houses in xx Rd have driveways" and the gem that is a close up of two mens foreheads labelled "fringes". I also love the fact they were astounded that not one single person batted an eyelid when they walked into the Nag's Head and ordered a pint of cider just like Claudia used to drink. Yeah, 'cos no-one has ordered that since 2009 have they mate. They did at least have the decency not to play 'Your Song' on the jukebox that wasn't there anymore though.

I'd really love to compare all the different blog posts out there because it's so interesting but I think it would be a full time job 😆.
 
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Thanks for creating the thread, I'll reply to you over here 🙂.

There is definitely the technology to deal with the wall and would have been years ago too, it's more that they used the wrong height for it (for those that haven't listened to the podcast, the height of the wall changed between the time of the CCTV footage and when the analysis was done, so they used an incorrect measurement). This would have given them an inaccurate height for the suspect in terms of info they released to the public in the last appeal.

The footage wasn't very clear, from memory it was very dark with quite a bit of noise. I'm not sure what year it was last analysed though (or with what software, obviously). Sometimes unfortunately, even with the best software available, the images can't be improved.

I definitely think people know who was involved, they either just don't want to say or can't say because they believe they'd be putting themselves at risk.

It's a case I think about often. It's horrible that people can just vanish with no trace.
On the Wikipedia article it says the police had 4 people they put to CPS for a charge but CPS declined them. So you are right I think. They know who did it, just not enough evidence.

I suspect the people who were arrested and not charged weren’t massively off the mark either although we must assume innocence until proven guilty.

the CCTV I have watched today (I’m down a rabbit hole after listening to the podcast) is not hugely clear.
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I'd love to listen to that. I might look into it, even if I have to pay.
Your debrief had shocked me because I didn't know about any of this- especially some of the things about her father. I always used to feel so sorry for him and when he died, i did actually feel quite sad that he had passed without getting any answers.

Like the other poster mentioned, i remember the cctv footage wasn't of much help. But iv always heard the whispers that the locals think she may have been buried under the concrete (of a carpark I think?).
I just find the whole thing so sad. How can someone just vansih like that???
Well precisely. People can’t disappear. And no evidence of a violent struggle at her home is curious too. Also the text messages being unanswered/unread and then the phone being switched off at 12am makes me think it was turned off on purpose and she was killed/kidnapped the night before.
 
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On the Wikipedia article it says the police had 4 people they put to CPS for a charge but CPS declined them. So you are right I think. They know who did it, just not enough evidence.

I suspect the people who were arrested and not charged weren’t massively off the mark either although we must assume innocence until proven guilty.

the CCTV I have watched today (I’m down a rabbit hole after listening to the podcast) is not hugely clear.
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Well precisely. People can’t disappear. And no evidence of a violent struggle at her home is curious too. Also the text messages being unanswered/unread and then the phone being switched off at 12am makes me think it was turned off on purpose and she was killed/kidnapped the night before.
It was turned off deliberately as opposed to the battery going. They were able to tell by the signal it sent to the closest mast. (or didn't send...I can never remenber which action sends a signal but you can tell the difference in how it's powered down anyway). Like you, I think was already dead by that point.

I lost hours of my life to this case when it happened. The online psychics were a particular highlight. I still wonder what Tring will have to do with anything (one of them was very focused on Tring lol).
 
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Tring as in down south? how weird.

Those psychics are absolute vultures.

I would love to know more about the people who were her 'close friends' from the pub who were under suspicion.

I know there is one called Jen King who is interviewed on the podcast, tbh she sounded devastated but even then I think she knows more than she is saying. And another is called Suzy who has done an interview with the Yorkshire post. But who were the rest?

The two blokes that were arrested, one for her murder one for perverting the course of justice (he was a landlord of a local pub) and neither charge stuck.

Then theres these 4 people who CPS wont give them permission to charge. who could that be?
Thank you for starting this thread. So it seems that there is likely to be a conspiracy of people behind this?

Sometimes it can take many years to get justice for a murder victim. I was reading about Caroline Glachan’s killers only being brought to justice at the beginning of this year and Caroline’s friends said that they have known full well all these years who probably killed Caroline and had to see them walking the streets, free. One of them had died and was never brought to justice.
 
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It was turned off deliberately as opposed to the battery going. They were able to tell by the signal it sent to the closest mast. (or didn't send...I can never remenber which action sends a signal but you can tell the difference in how it's powered down anyway). Like you, I think was already dead by that point.

I lost hours of my life to this case when it happened. The online psychics were a particular highlight. I still wonder what Tring will have to do with anything (one of them was very focused on Tring lol).
Tring as in down south? how weird.

Those psychics are absolute vultures.

I would love to know more about the people who were her 'close friends' from the pub who were under suspicion.

I know there is one called Jen King who is interviewed on the podcast, tbh she sounded devastated but even then I think she knows more than she is saying. And another is called Suzy who has done an interview with the Yorkshire post. But who were the rest?

The two blokes that were arrested, one for her murder one for perverting the course of justice (he was a landlord of a local pub) and neither charge stuck.

Then theres these 4 people who CPS wont give them permission to charge. who could that be?
 
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This case has always fascinated me; I grew up not far from York. I was always under the impression that everyone knew who had done it but the police were unable to make any arrests due to the wall of silence?
 
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That’s a long article! They are very specific about names/places/incidents. And the description of one of the men in the group that she may have had a relationship with being the same as the ‘man in the Mac’ outside her house is very interesting.
This article also gives the names of all the ‘lock in crew’ from the pub who have been arrested.
If they are guilty I do wonder why it has happened?
 
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From memory, at least two of the four people they can't charge are named in a blog (I have a vague memory they are siblings). It's a really (like really, really) long, rambling, very badly put together blog but it does contain a lot of interesting info. I can't remember what it's called though to help you find it, sorry. It was also linked on one of the Real Crime and Murder threads at some point (possibly as long ago as last year) so someone else might remember.

The same blog also lists everyone from the pub who was relevant and how they were connected to each other and details the sex tapes/group sex angle (I've never been sure about that theory).

The impression I got was that she had a few friendship groups that she moved between, hanging out at 2 pubs in particular. So lots of people she got on with and considered a mate but only a few very close friends.

There was an ex who was interviewed at the time who spoke very highly of her.

For a while I thought the Christopher Halliwell link had legs but I believe that the police found enough evidence for him to confidently ruled out.
I think I know the blog post - written by the former barmaid of the Nag’s Head?

If so, I have the link - will post it if I’m allowed to?
 
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One thing I think is really strange is if her friend, Jen King, is married to or in a relationship with one of the men arrested, why would you stay with him?
The police must have a decent amount of evidence to arrest him, just not enough to charge?
It also makes her statement (at least I think it was her) saying that statistically it was one of Claudia's friends even more chilling.

I found this article on reddit. Another medium article and is quite long but I'm trying to wade my way through it. The two siblings are mentioned in here and it was through a discussion on reddit about how the Locals knew it was this person that I found the article (again could just be rumours!)

 
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