Keep meaning to read/listen to his book. Would you recommend it?
Keep meaning to read/listen to his book. Would you recommend it?I listened to Kavana’s audio book on Spotify “Pop Scars” he also had Nigel as a manager. He went into more detail about Nigel, which is an interesting and unsettling listen. Likely did it as he has much less than Robbie, so not really worth suing and a smaller audience (eg it won’t make newspapers when he admitted Nigel cracked onto him when he spoke to him about his music and snogged him when Kav was VERY young and Nige was mid 30s-40)Nigel comes across very toxic and controlling in Kav’s book.
As an audio it’s worth itKeep meaning to read/listen to his book. Would you recommend it?
I’ve listened to it, Nigel groomed him, without a doubt.Keep meaning to read/listen to his book. Would you recommend it?
I think he groomed them all to be honest. I wouldn't be surprised if down the line, Gary admits to something with how close Smith kept him.I’ve listened to it, Nigel groomed him, without a doubt.
It’s an easy listen, doesn’t require much concentration, parts of it are really sad. You don’t realise how much is actually going on in the background with these pop stars when they are portrayed all happy and smiley.
Defo worth a read/listenx
God there is a Smash Hits blast from the past there! I’ll need to try and listen to thisI listened to Kavana’s audio book on Spotify “Pop Scars” he also had Nigel as a manager. He went into more detail about Nigel, which is an interesting and unsettling listen. Likely did it as he has much less than Robbie, so not really worth suing and a smaller audience (eg it won’t make newspapers when he admitted Nigel cracked onto him when he spoke to him about his music and snogged him when Kav was VERY young and Nige was mid 30s-40)Nigel comes across very toxic and controlling in Kav’s book.
I read it over Christmas, dark, sad and funny- would 100% recommend!Keep meaning to read/listen to his book. Would you recommend it?
I always got the feeling something happened between Nigel and Jason. I think Gary was too valuable as the song writer and Nigel liked to go for the more vulnerable ones.I think he groomed them all to be honest. I wouldn't be surprised if down the line, Gary admits to something with how close Smith kept him.
Yes I get that impression too. Jason seemed troubled in later interviews. In a different, less destructive way to Robbie but there is something there.I always got the feeling something happened between Nigel and Jason. I think Gary was too valuable as the song writer and Nigel liked to go for the more vulnerable ones.
It was telling Jason only agreed to tour again (in 2005) if Nigel had absolutely nothing to do with them.
Ugh, and 18 was the age of consent for gay men back then, wasn’t it? Nothing says “predator” like waiting until the kid is legal before having sex with them, like that makes it OK.Nigel had sex with him on the day of his 18th Birthday
I think Jason is gay or at least bi. I clearly remember when the For The Record documentary came out, thinking that Jason sounded so camp, and I’d never realised that before.I always got the feeling something happened between Nigel and Jason. I think Gary was too valuable as the song writer and Nigel liked to go for the more vulnerable ones.
It was telling Jason only agreed to tour again (in 2005) if Nigel had absolutely nothing to do with them.
Agree, something didn’t sit right watching the documentary, Nigel was very controlling with all of them, manipulating them individually, it was uncomfortable viewing in parts especially knowing what had happened with Kavana.I always got the feeling something happened between Nigel and Jason. I think Gary was too valuable as the song writer and Nigel liked to go for the more vulnerable ones.
It was telling Jason only agreed to tour again (in 2005) if Nigel had absolutely nothing to do with them.
I think Gary can come across badly in interviews because his responses sound so rehearsed. He’s always sounded like a fifty year old man, even when he was 22.I don't think Gary comes out well out of this documentary. I feel like he's saying a lot of things that he thinks people want to hear. I still think deep down he's only in it for himself.
Yes it was, he apparently took him away from his Birthday party. Sick stuff and goes some way into seeing why Kav was so messed up. NMS lost interest in him when he signed Adam Rickett- another one who I wonder if something happened to.Ugh, and 18 was the age of consent for gay men back then, wasn’t it? Nothing says “predator” like waiting until the kid is legal before having sex with them, like that makes it OK.
How is Kavana now? I'll definitely give that book a go.Yes it was, he apparently took him away from his Birthday party. Sick stuff and goes some way into seeing why Kav was so messed up. NMS lost interest in him when he signed Adam Rickett- another one who I wonder if something happened to.
I think they are now but I think it took him a long time to care about the others. People can and do change though. I think he was humbled after his solo career. I'm delighted the three of them kept going and seem like genuine friends now.I think Gary can come across badly in interviews because his responses sound so rehearsed. He’s always sounded like a fifty year old man, even when he was 22.
He’s very guarded and doesn’t like to let people in. If Robbie is an open book, Gary is the opposite. I think he carries a lot of baggage from his “failure” years and still isn’t over the trauma of being a public laughing stock.
He’s also a workaholic and when TT aren’t active, needs to be busy with solo projects. I don’t think that means he’s only in it for himself, I genuinely think the three of them are in a good place in their old age.
Sober 4 years. He's done some interesting interviews on YouTube about relapse/recovery. He's doing a mini tour in Asia this year, he seems in a better placeHow is Kavana now? I'll definitely give that book a go.
That's great.Sober 4 years. He's done some interesting interviews on YouTube about relapse/recovery. He's doing a mini tour in Asia this year, he seems in a better place
I didn’t know that about kavanaAgree, something didn’t sit right watching the documentary, Nigel was very controlling with all of them, manipulating them individually, it was uncomfortable viewing in parts especially knowing what had happened with Kavana.
I definitely think there is more to the Nigel story.
I thought the documentary was good, but it only briefly mentioned some of the bad times, there was a lot more that went on with mental health, breakdowns, addictions & rehab, especially in Marks case which wasn’t even mentioned.
Old age! They’re only in their fiftiesI think Gary can come across badly in interviews because his responses sound so rehearsed. He’s always sounded like a fifty year old man, even when he was 22.
He’s very guarded and doesn’t like to let people in. If Robbie is an open book, Gary is the opposite. I think he carries a lot of baggage from his “failure” years and still isn’t over the trauma of being a public laughing stock.
He’s also a workaholic and when TT aren’t active, needs to be busy with solo projects. I don’t think that means he’s only in it for himself, I genuinely think the three of them are in a good place in their old age.
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