Squirmy & Grubs #4 aka scammy and grabby

[lilly25]

Hi guys, long(ish) time lurker, first time poster here! I just wanted to say that I used to be a huge fan of this couple. I'm a personal care aide and a nursing student and during my years of doing care aide work, I've met countless of awesome, handsome, beautiful, amazing disabled people who have so much to give to everyone, so I obviously wanted to believe that these two were a real thing.

I got suspicious of their intentions and relationship when I brought up the channel to a man I worked for, who also has SMA. Different type from Shane though (for example: he's the average size of an adult man with a few extra kg's, has little to no trouble moving his head, better hand movements, can eat without difficulties etc. sorry, not a native english speaker so i don't know the correct terminology but I'm sure you get the idea ). He's in his 40's, was married etc, and he knows quite a few people who have the same disability.

He gave their channel a try, and when we discussed this the next day, he pointed out a lot of the thing you guys have as well. Mainly, Hannah being the sole caregiver. He was married for 15 years, and out of those 15 years, his wife was his sole caregiver for maybe 2 weeks in total. Only when absolutely necessary or on holidays and such. He said that he'd feel horrible having his wife take care of him, and their (even tho small, accessible, 2 bedroom) apartment, and that it just isn't possible, with both of their work schedules. And the "Shane eats a lot and drinks ton of beer lol". He can eat normally but DOUBTS that Shane can. Like we've seen him struggle thru a soup. He also mentioned that Shane definitely requires the same amount of help (and more probably) he does, such as bathing, going to the bathroom, making food etc and while they do talk about it, they don't like ACTUALLY talk about it. It's hard and thankless work, no matter how much you love the person. They always gloss over it like "oh yeah we have a wheelchair tee hee thats it!!!" Also, somewhat petty, but we both HATE Shane's sense of humor lmao. This youtube channel thing adds little to no value to the disabled community, because it doesn't send a realistic version of what dating someone who has a disability as severe as Shane's is actually like. Me and this dude are still friends, and snark on sQuIrMy and GrUbZ to this day on discord while having beers, and he OK'd me to post!

This message probably serves no purpose to anything at all here, but just wanted to join in on the conversation and show that, yep, even disabled people do question their relationship and whats behind it.

 

[VeganGal]

Why wouldn't a woman find a 50 pound, phlegmy, drooly, fungus footed, stick legged, man with a massively oversized bobblehead, yellow teeth, rigor mortis, and a traveling nipple sexually attractive????

The fact that you get to wipe him and feed him just adds to the hotness right? Plus he says he has a big penis, so he can deeply penetrate her with his imagination.

 

[Tilly Kister]

I'm pretty new to this site, having only posted before on the Radford family threads. However, I've been reading this one and have just watched a Scamming and Grubby vid. I noticed something quite sad in the comments. A lad with spina bifida was entranced by the disability access in their Air BnB cottage. He asked them incredibly politely if they could let him know how to contact the owners. He made a point of saying how difficult it was for him to find suitable holiday accommodations - which they ought to know better than anyone - and said he was hoping he could book the same place for himself.

Despite a couple of dozen commenters replying to it asking them to answer and the comment itself having over 1k likes which put it right up the top of the comments section, they couldn't be arsed replying to him.

I don't give a bugger what their game is or what her fetishes are or how much Hello Fresh pays them to pretend they eat the overpriced crap they're shilling for, the way they treated one of their disabled audience members is just disgusting. Totally uncaring. As if he were invisible and his problems mean nothing to them. They claim to be disability advocates and they can't even exercise common courtesy to someone else living with serious physical disabilities? Pretty poor show if you ask me.

How long would it take to reply saying "email us and we'll send you the contact details"??

 

[CocaineMitch]

I watched a couple more videos. They are 100% a real loving couple who have sex in all different position. Shane is independent and doesn't really need much help besides some little tasks. They are not attention or fame seekers; Nor do they care about profiting off of this. Shane is also a very attractive man who would make any sane women look twice. Sorry but you're all wrong.

 

[Demedici]

Hi guys, long(ish) time lurker, first time poster here! I just wanted to say that I used to be a huge fan of this couple. I'm a personal care aide and a nursing student and during my years of doing care aide work, I've met countless of awesome, handsome, beautiful, amazing disabled people who have so much to give to everyone, so I obviously wanted to believe that these two were a real thing.

I got suspicious of their intentions and relationship when I brought up the channel to a man I worked for, who also has SMA. Different type from Shane though (for example: he's the average size of an adult man with a few extra kg's, has little to no trouble moving his head, better hand movements, can eat without difficulties etc. sorry, not a native english speaker so i don't know the correct terminology but I'm sure you get the idea ). He's in his 40's, was married etc, and he knows quite a few people who have the same disability.

He gave their channel a try, and when we discussed this the next day, he pointed out a lot of the thing you guys have as well. Mainly, Hannah being the sole caregiver. He was married for 15 years, and out of those 15 years, his wife was his sole caregiver for maybe 2 weeks in total. Only when absolutely necessary or on holidays and such. He said that he'd feel horrible having his wife take care of him, and their (even tho small, accessible, 2 bedroom) apartment, and that it just isn't possible, with both of their work schedules. And the "Shane eats a lot and drinks ton of beer lol". He can eat normally but DOUBTS that Shane can. Like we've seen him struggle thru a soup. He also mentioned that Shane definitely requires the same amount of help (and more probably) he does, such as bathing, going to the bathroom, making food etc and while they do talk about it, they don't like ACTUALLY talk about it. It's hard and thankless work, no matter how much you love the person. They always gloss over it like "oh yeah we have a wheelchair tee hee thats it!!!" Also, somewhat petty, but we both HATE Shane's sense of humor lmao. This youtube channel thing adds little to no value to the disabled community, because it doesn't send a realistic version of what dating someone who has a disability as severe as Shane's is actually like. Me and this dude are still friends, and snark on sQuIrMy and GrUbZ to this day on discord while having beers, and he OK'd me to post!

This message probably serves no purpose to anything at all here, but just wanted to join in on the conversation and show that, yep, even disabled people do question their relationship and whats behind it.

I beg to differ! Your message serves a great purpose here! How fascinating, enlightening, and validating it is to have your perspective and examples as a caregiver and your client as a person with SMA. Amazing. Thank you!

 

[DoubleOld]

That is actually a really good suggestion. Which they will never acknowledge because it gives them a simple long term solution to a problem that many disabled people deal with and therefore is bad for content .

I also noted that there were many many comments from other disabled people in Minnesota giving them the names and addresses of dentists who specialise in treating people with disabilities. Not one of them was responded to. Again because it's a solution so they can't continue to over-dramatise and exploit the problem for content.

As a Registered Nurse having worked at a well known pediatric hospital in their neurology unit, I can tell you that this really IS a good suggestion. As Tilly Kister said, proper dental care is a problem that many disabled people deal with and it is no joke. As well as food remnants being left in teeth being a virtual banquet for bacteria, saliva itself is extraordinarily bacteriostatic. (Which is why a human bite is actually more dangerous than an animal bite.) When they did one of the videos of morning care for Shane and Hannah quickly swiped the toothbrush in and out of his mouth I remember thinking: "I hope this is a re-enactment because that is NOT proper dental hygiene for someone with Shane's condition." Well, turns out I was wrong.

In treating Shane as "just another dude who happens to be in a wheelchair," they (Hannah and Liz) have put him at great risk. And, if he does need dental surgery and anesthesia, his diminished lung capacity puts him in the highest-risk category for life threatening complications. So, he's got the beginnings of a pressure sore, bit his tongue when Hannah pulled on his neck, deterioration of one his shoulder joints (arthritis) from being left in his "favorite" sleeping position for too long at night and now this. None of these things would have happened under the care of Shane's parents. There are reasons why his parents got up and turned him over repeatedly every night, woke him up every morning to give him a shower, spent time throroughly brushing his teeth correctly every day and every evening, made sure he coughed correctly and more.....Hannah's so proud of the fact that Shane's daily care "only takes about 20 minutes." It sure as hell shouldn't. But that wouldn't fit their narrative or meet their painfully delusional needs.

My heart breaks for Shane's parents; especially his never mentioned, seemingly long forgotten mother. (No, Liz, that's not you. Nor has it ever been.)

 

[What the ....]

She is creepy! Doesn't this picture sum it all up.

 

[Tilly Kister]

All 16 of these replies are asking for Scams and Grabby to help a young person asking about a disability accessible holiday spot they were staying in on this video which is over a year old. The last one is from me.

 

[LaLaSwimLooza]

Yikes!!! (continued from previous post) Hannah is still going off in my IG DMs for calling them out for going on vacations and eating in restaurants while telling everyone to stay home and mask up. She's losing her shit. I'm howling. I'll post full convo when she stops babbling. She just keeps going. She's denying they went to Florida or to restaurants. OMG. She's psychotic. She's so mad. Lol

 

[Clara88]

I'm pretty new to this site, having only posted before on the Radford family threads. However, I've been reading this one and have just watched a Scamming and Grubby vid. I noticed something quite sad in the comments. A lad with spina bifida was entranced by the disability access in their Air BnB cottage. He asked them incredibly politely if they could let him know how to contact the owners. He made a point of saying how difficult it was for him to find suitable holiday accommodations - which they ought to know better than anyone - and said he was hoping he could book the same place for himself.

Despite a couple of dozen commenters replying to it asking them to answer and the comment itself having over 1k likes which put it right up the top of the comments section, they couldn't be arsed replying to him.

I don't give a bugger what their game is or what her fetishes are or how much Hello Fresh pays them to pretend they eat the overpriced crap they're shilling for, the way they treated one of their disabled audience members is just disgusting. Totally uncaring. As if he were invisible and his problems mean nothing to them. They claim to be disability advocates and they can't even exercise common courtesy to someone else living with serious physical disabilities? Pretty poor show if you ask me.

How long would it take to reply saying "email us and we'll send you the contact details"??

Oh yeah, they basically never respond to comments by disabled people asking them for simple advice or just wanting a little shoutout or thanking them. Some of these comments are emotional and moving and S&G say nothing. They're incredibly entitled and take their devoted viewers for granted. They typically only respond to about 3 comments a video out of thousands, and usually they only respond to the comments that uplift Shane's humor or something Hannah can factually correct. I think that Shane feels like he's better than all these disabled people in some way.

Make no mistake, the channel is first and foremost an ATM machine for them. I don't think Shane is all that interested in actual advocacy, quite frankly.

 

[Sukisuki]

That's another thing about them- they might be letting general public have an insight into an interabled relationship (no matter how curated), but they are such an outliers in terms of lifestyle.

If Hannah instead of faffing couple of hours a week shooting lowest of the low effort videos had to find a real world 50 hour workweek job with her sociology/anthropology degree, had no 24/7 available mom for help, Shane wasn't well off with his gigs, if they didn't have an overall good healthcare insurance, tons of goodies and gadgets to try out, enourmous social capital in case they need a fundraiser etc... then they would maybe represent some of the struggles interabled couples go through.

Sunbathing by the pool for weeks in a giant house in Florida in the middle of the second pandemic winter ain't it

 

[Rottielover]

So, my best friend's fiance actually knows Shane and went to college with him in PA. I mentioned this couple to them in passing yesterday and how unbelievable they are. He said he was a year above him in college and he was extremely entitled. He expected the college to pretty much kiss his ass, and he was pretty rude to a lot of people. He also said he didn't have any girlfriends or any female attention at all in college whatsoever. He would approach a few girls (which were all attractive, athletic ones apparently) but no one even humored him. So, that definitely shows he's not a super charismatic guy in real life that draws a few women. The 'girlfriends' didn't happen until after he left university and started 'laughing at my nightmare.' Just thought that was interesting lol

 

[SmallWonder]

She touches him on camera with the detached affection of a celebrity at a "Make a Wish" foundation photo op.

 

[Chisme]

I don't know how to summarise the previous thread...

• we discovered how many bikinis Hannah owns?
• They want us to follow the lockdown rules/advice BUT they are exempt.
• Hannah is not pregnant and does not wash.
• shockingly, Hannah's mother dislikes their 'haters'
• oh! and Shane may or may not have had a black eye.

 

[VeganGal]

That's another thing about them- they might be letting general public have an insight into an interabled relationship (no matter how curated), but they are such an outliers in terms of lifestyle.

If Hannah instead of faffing couple of hours a week shooting lowest of the low effort videos had to find a real world 50 hour workweek job with her sociology/anthropology degree, had no 24/7 available mom for help, Shane wasn't well off with his gigs, if they didn't have an overall good healthcare insurance, tons of goodies and gadgets to try out, enourmous social capital in case they need a fundraiser etc... then they would maybe represent some of the struggles interabled couples go through.

Sunbathing by the pool for weeks in a giant house in Florida in the middle of the second pandemic winter ain't it

BINGO BINGO BINGO and therein lies the exact reason why they are unrealistic and selling a fantasy. If they had to work real jobs, didn't have her mom, etc, I don't think they would even continue this schtick.

At least with the business money, one could argue that Shane is bringing something to the table. If Shane made $15/hr (like most of his fans probably make) and Hannah had a 90K salary with her degree, Shane would literally serve to drag her down.

Can you imagine Hannah dressed formal at a fancy restaurant for dinner with her boss, the CEO, and the other employees with Shane at the table smelling like butt, gurgling, and telling jokes about how much Hannah eats. Oh how embarrassing.

 

[tedrover]

I came across this forum while trying to find out if anyone else found them to just be “off.” Just thought I’d put my two cents in, though I’m sure none of these things are new perspectives. But I’ll address a lot of things here.
I just don’t see their relationship as being practical. Sorry, but it’s just not. Shane can’t do anything for himself (that’s not his fault, I’m just saying he’s physically unable to) and is entirely dependent on Hannah. She has to take care of him like a baby. Helping him use the toilet, eating, bathing, changing clothes, everything. In the middle of the night if he wakes up thirsty or having to go to the bathroom, Hannah has to get up too and I’d imagine being woken up in the middle of the night no one would want to carry him into the bathroom, take his pants down, put him on the toilet and wait, wipe him and pull his pants up and stuff. Not exactly the most pleasant life. This is what caregivers are for. Also, genuine question and I’m not trying to be an asshole here but I’m gonna come off as one no matter how I put it: why doesn’t Shane wear diapers? Wouldn’t it be easier for Hannah to change his diapers rather than go through the motions of putting him on the toilet and all that? Just a question.
Why doesn’t he have a caregiver? They definitely have enough money for one, or if they didn’t, I’d imagine they’d be asking for financial assistance to afford one? So the burden is all on Hannah and that just doesn’t seem fair nor healthy. What happens if they need space away from each other? He depends on Hannah for everything. What if he gets an itch or needs a sip of water, needs to go to the bathroom, is hungry, etc and she isn’t there? What happens then?

And no, there is no way Hannah doesn’t have some kind of fetish. She sought him out via email and that’s how they started talking. Sorry, I really don’t mean to sound rude but who would look at him and think “wow, he’s attractive, let me hit him up” unless they had a fetish? Maybe I’d understand if they just happened to meet somewhere, built a connection and fell in love, but Hannah reached out to Shane. Correct me if I’m wrong. That just doesn’t sound right to me, and I’m shocked no one has questioned that (other than on this forum).

I feel like at this point, Hannah is trapped in the relationship. She’d feel bad for leaving him, especially because, I mean, what would he do? Move in with his parents? That’s fine and everything, but if that were me I’d feel trapped because I’d feel too bad for leaving because it’s hard enough as it is. That’s absolutely not healthy. And while we’re talking about “healthy”, those little insults from Shane are red flags. I feel like a lot of people don’t realize that verbal abuse can be disguised as jokes; I was in a relationship and I was constantly being put down via “jokes” and I thought I was being too sensitive until I found out it can be a red flag for abuse and it just didn’t stop. Like many have said, if he wasn’t disabled there’s no way he’d be getting away with this behavior.

I feel sick addressing this next point but yeah, uh, they absolutely don’t have a sex life. I feel like Hannah may be asexual or something (or maybe is seeing people behind Shane’s back) because his body is twisted in a way that would make penetration seemingly impossible. I don’t wanna think about it, but I’m morbidly curious exactly HOW they do it.
I could go on and on but I’ve already written an essay at this point lol. Just figured I’d say something. I dunno. Like I said though, probably bringing nothing new to the table but figured I’d join the conversation.

 

[Cattycat79]

Not interested in sitting through 40 insufferable minutes of Shane gurgling through all the questions. How self-absorbed and self-indulgent! They're unlikeable no matter what their "personality types" are. I'm sure it'll be construed that they are perfectly compatible with eachother and use this as conclusive evidence that they are a real couple. They do read comments because a few videos ago, I saw a fan suggest that they do the Myers-Briggs test

 

[LaLaSwimLooza]

Finally found my people here. I've been binge reading posts here for days. S&G's comment section gives me cognitive dissonance. It's insane. If anyone posts anything other than how "hilarious Shane is" or that they see why "Hannah is so into him" their cult like fans will attack. Don't even get me started on Shane smugly mentioning "our satisfying intimacy" every 30 seconds. I cannot wrap my brain around this couple at all.

 

[Jbogie]

Shane is no victim. We are ALL speculating given the limited information we see and have been able to dig up. It is my belief that Shane is 100% driving this bus. This channel is HIS baby. Hannah is so freakin awkward on camera that she doesn’t even know what do do with herself except laugh and stare at Shane. She hates it so much that she doesn’t even like her fans. Think about that. Is she a greedy bitch whose grown accustomed to the money and adoration? Yes.

I think Shane’s family is close to him and they probably do visit. For whatever reason (perhaps their choice), they don’t want to be part of the channel. Maybe it’s them or maybe it’s Shane wanting to portray an independent vibe. I don’t know. None of us know. It just doesn’t make sense that he cut them off as they were very tight knit. Shane is no prisoner. He’s living his best life.

I don’t think anyone here thinks disabled people are the scum of the earth. I think many people think SHANE IS. Wheelchair aside, he is an ASSHOLE that exploits his wife’s body (and his own) for clicks. He’s a sarcastic shit that isn’t honest about his condition when their entire platform is supposed to be about disability.

 

[LaLaSwimLooza]

@Nadad41t
I agree. I would be all for it if he actually did throw back a few beers, but the point it he's not doing that. They're making it all up. Another fairytale. Shane is the size of a small 5th grader. They also claim he no longer requires a feeding tube and most of us call BS on that. He can't drink without a straw. It's physically impossible for him to 'chug' anything. In videos where Hannah holds his cup for him, he barely takes a sip or two.
It's abborhent to do this to people who have the exact same dx as Shane. Shane pretends he's a foodie, runs the household, does all the shopping, is a stud in bed and is a witty genius to boot. He's said he does the majority of his self care without assistance and Hannah helps because they enjoy it that way. This is absurd. It's actually cruel. Imagine another 28 year old guy with Shane's dx not understanding why he isn't able to measure up to Shane. It's all lies. They're straight up con artists. It's sick.