Societal Collapse - thoughts?

[Warpaint]

When is this supposedly happening? @1001 others can you come back and give more information or a link to what you’ve seen? I don’t like being drip fed info I need more than ‘stock up and be prepared’

No doubt something odd like 'When the white Crow falls at midnight, you will know'

 

[bubbadabut]

I appreciate some see it as scaremongering, but I disagree, people are just sharing information they are coming across to try and help others, I’m not one for stock piling but is it the worst idea to have some emergency supplies incase something did happen? I think we are heading into dark times, the wef are really pushing a ‘great reset’ and we can’t be too naive and comfortable thinking a massive upheaval will never happen to us, I think the 2020s will be testing times, unfortunately.

Certain people and societies have been predicting massive upheaval for centuries. They all thought it would be them too. And yet the world as we know it is still here. Every decade has its tests and challenges. Why waste your life worrying about something that is probably never going to happen? It's not helping people at all. All it does is project yet more fear onto already mentally vulnerable people who most likely have actual, real, day-to-day problems to deal with.

 

[StrawberryCream]

Something big - bigger than all the protests currently happening around the world - is about to go down.

Suggest: stock up on milk powder, flour (if you can) and water (fill as many empty bottles as you can with tap water)
Also pet food if you have pets
Get cash out - as much as you can - and hide it in your home
If you have loved ones living alone, encourage them to come and stay with you

Be prepared as best you can, but don't bog yourself down with worry.

I was right about the internet shut down a few months back - before the first lot happened - I hope I'm right now too, but please prepare yourselves.

Elaborate please ?

 

[Unspiralled]

I was talking with a (much younger) colleague the other day, she was astonished to realise that "climate change" isn't something that has just recently been discovered. I was reading books written over 30 years ago that talked about it, although different terms were used (greenhouse effect etc). CFC's were first banned in 1976, as scientists realised the damage that they were causing to the atmosphere. This is not new science, and the idea that a closed ecosystem, can continue to sustain increasing numbers of humans, along with their toxic waste, is laughable. This is not an opinion, it's not some hippy-dippy fairy tale, it is proven fact, the only disputes are over the numbers. Humans will die out eventually, we've been here for the blink of an eye in evolutionary terms, the Earth will go on without us, as will (hopefully) some of the flora and fauna.

The "societal collapse"?? I think that some societies are already seeing this in action. Venezuela anyone?

I find it a bit rich that we're told we're being brainwashed by politicians, when scientists have been telling politicians for YEARS that climate change is a real threat, but they didn't want to hear about it or do anything about it.

 

[Unspiralled]

It’s a load if shit to be honest. Iv read many books about climate change and it’s very clear to me that it’s a left wing agenda to put more control on our lives. Anyone that wants to argue with me then try and read a book combating this ideology and then come back and let me know what you think As if we think we’ve made that much of an impact in less than 50 years on the planet that’s been here for billions in years

Not sure in what world the industrial revolution was less than 50 years ago. Who wrote these books you've been reading?

 

[Yel]

There's only a very thin veneer of society that can quickly disappear.

I do believe the changing weather making large parts of the world inhabitable will make covid and Brexit look like a total sideshow

 

[PineappleQueen19]

Apparently UK was also one of the countries identified as being best prepared for a health emergency and look how that has gone

The uk was best prepared, it just didn’t follow its own advice. Apparently a British journalist interviewed a scientist in Singapore at some point in 2020 and asked why Singapore was doing so well compared to the uk. The scientist replied, we’re following the UK plan unlike the UK

I think complacency over swine flu coming to almost nothing a few years earlier played a huge role in all that. It’s why downplaying Y2K is risky - one crisis avoided or overcome with relative (or outward seeming) ease doesn’t mean the next will follow suit.

 

[mcfeez]

And you are probably for vaccine passports and showing identification upon entry of places, which would make you a fascist. So go off

Because I decided to give someone more information on what they are considering reading?

I can make a fairly good assessment from your comment then that you're presumptive and lack a lot of critical thinking skills.

 

[Sheabutter]

Google will hide articles that post about it

No, the top return is the Cyber Polygon - a sanctioned event to test security. The rest is people in tinfoil hats with red string.

 

[mindlessness]

I don't know ... I just see 'it' affecting most people worldwide for a few days

What is 'it' though?

 

[thegirlscout]

I have to disagree with that I’m afraid. Mass migrations has been one of the main causes of societal collapse throughout history. The Bronze Age collapse in which huge powerful empires disappeared within a matter of decades is often attributed to the “Sea Peoples” who were understood to be a loose confederation of refugees fleeing collapsing societies in their own lands. The beginning of the end of the Eastern Roman Empire was when the Goths were allowed to settle within Roman lands without the requirement of assimilation. The Goths themselves were fleeing the Huns. By then the Western Empire had already been overrun by Germanic barbarians to such an extent the the army was almost entirely made up of barbarians, and they often switched sides at a whim.

China has one of the longest histories of independent civilisation, yet even they were once overrun by Mongolian horsemen living in tents. The Aztecs and the Incas were defeated by a handful of Spaniards, and eventually replaced completely by increasing waves of them.

It would be nice to believe that incomers would be welcomed with fraternity and generosity by existing populations, and the incomers themselves would respond with equal benevolence. Nice dreams. But history has shown, time and time again this is rarely the case.

Do you think the lack of assimilation is a big problem now? I know people pride themselves on this country being multicultural and all cultures getting along but there have been so many painful examples of where that isn’t true. I can only see the divide getting bigger and bigger. Combined with wealth inequality and global warming it does seem that it’s a bit like a ticking time bomb.

 

[HotesTilaire]

To be honest this is 99% of the reason why I can't get behind any CT that involves someone wanting to take over the world what would be the point?

Especially when it’s the “people in charge” like...they’re already in charge though?
To an extent I don’t really care. Not because I’m an awful person, but because if someone unleashes havoc on the whole world I’ll just accept my fate, I’ve got no real skills for fighting online orIRL, I’m weak and unwell so better for me to just go along with it and hope for the best.

 

[Bobby Chariot]

It does feel like society / human behaviour is changing. I guess that has been highlighted in the last 18 months with the Covid outbreak in various forms. Plus with climate change the world is changing. Emile Durkheim’s work on societies notes that individuals form a collective consciousness based on shared values and beliefs which in turn creates a ‘norm’ for what we know as society. Society is thus a social product created by the actions of individuals. Can definitely see a shift in that model due to Covid and other various sociopolitical factors.

Good point you make, Covid was a good barometer as to how society reacted to a crisis situation.

 

[under the ivy]

It does feel like society / human behaviour is changing. I guess that has been highlighted in the last 18 months with the Covid outbreak in various forms. Plus with climate change the world is changing. Emile Durkheim’s work on societies notes that individuals form a collective consciousness based on shared values and beliefs which in turn creates a ‘norm’ for what we know as society. Society is thus a social product created by the actions of individuals. Can definitely see a shift in that model due to Covid and other various sociopolitical factors.

 

[Clojo92]

Eh, I don't think it's really as simple as that. Here's a whole article on how it affects a whole bunch of things. I never considered that companies like Google and Amazon would lose a lot, if not all, of their business and leave people out of a job and they employ around 1.3 million people worldwide. That alone would no longer just be a few weeks of struggle. I also can't imagine many people wanting to work if they can't get paid and that has a whole host of effects on everything

Google and Amazon aren’t essential to life though, and yes people would lose jobs, but people lost jobs when internet and technology evolved, some of those jobs would come back. People got paid before the internet.

 

[1001 others]

Something big - bigger than all the protests currently happening around the world - is about to go down.

Suggest: stock up on milk powder, flour (if you can) and water (fill as many empty bottles as you can with tap water)
Also pet food if you have pets
Get cash out - as much as you can - and hide it in your home
If you have loved ones living alone, encourage them to come and stay with you

Be prepared as best you can, but don't bog yourself down with worry.

I was right about the internet shut down a few months back - before the first lot happened - I hope I'm right now too, but please prepare yourselves.

 

[JoeBloggs]

I just can't see why society will collapse if the internet does.

We lose all money in the bank, but debt also, so that will be a great equaliser. We still have phone lines. Life worked fine before the internet, I remember it.
There would be a few weeks of struggle as we get things back to phone lines faxs and mail, but after that surely bit would be fine. Maybe better.

Whilst I agree we would be able to cope, all be it it’s a massive change. I don’t want to lose my savings to equalise some else’s debt. Works well for those in debt.

 

[Clojo92]

The NHS wouldn’t run, if you look on the world economic forum they explain what would happen if there was a cyber attack and hospitals being unable to to function is mentioned among many other things

It would. NHS trusts have back ups/contingencies in place. I said I worked during the NHS when attacks happened. We still use paper notes. Surgeries and patient care doesn't full under the internet. Machines don't use the internet. It would be fine.

 

[NeverEnough]

Do you think the lack of assimilation is a big problem now? I know people pride themselves on this country being multicultural and all cultures getting along but there have been so many painful examples of where that isn’t true. I can only see the divide getting bigger and bigger. Combined with wealth inequality and global warming it does seem that it’s a bit like a ticking time bomb.

The official line has always been that we are one big happy multicultural family. The most high profile examples, such as the England football team, paint this picture. But beneath the surface? I simply don’t know.

One of the most harrowing cases I was ever involved in was the murder of two Chinese “students” in Newcastle. Now I put the word student in quotation marks for a reason, that being that except for registration they never attended university once and spent their days involved in a betting scam. It was also unclear how the girl, who by all accounts couldn’t speak a word of English, had any hope in hell of following a course of higher education. But that is an issue for the UK Foreign Office visa team and I digress. To get back on topic what we quickly discovered was that we had no contact within the Chinese community, no knowledge of how they operated, and had no one willing to talk to us. That we eventually caught the killer was flat blind luck, and we discovered he had been illegally in the UK for over a decade, still could not speak a word and had done god knows what.

I think if society collapses it will be because the majority of needs can’t be met (food, power etc) likely to be related to climate change and or illnesses. For society to collapse the people “in charge” have to lose power - not by losing an election, by governments losing authority. If they can’t feed/house/look after the people then they will collapse. Bigger countries try to step in/invade. If the worlds larger economies like USA, India, China, Germany/EU, Russia all had overthrown governments society would collapse.
A few migrants making it across the channel is hardly the beginning of the end, plus over a million Europeans left London due to Brexit and the pandemic so I’m sure there’s plenty of room.

By mass migration I don’t mean a few people arriving by dinghy. Although I would point out that neither you, me, or indeed anyone reading this thread have any idea who these people are, what their intentions are, or what their backgrounds are. I would agree that most are just looking for a better life, but once again I would point out that desiring a better life economically isn’t, and never had been, a legitimate reason to claim political asylum by any legislation i’m aware of.

By mass migration I mean that an estimated 55 million people may be displaced by climate change and they will have to go somewhere. It’s a Malthusian issue.

 

[Saddlesoap]

MIT Predicted Society Would Collapse This Century, And We're Doing Our Best To Make It Happen - BGR

New research says that we’re still on track to see society collapse this century, which is what a controversial MIT study predicted in 1972.

bgr.com

""A grim MIT study from 1972 predicted that society will collapse by the mid 21st century, prompting criticism and generating debates. It turns out the study was right on the money, and we as a collective are indeed on track to such a future scenario. A new paper revisited the MIT study and found that societal collapse is indeed on the table.'"

Thoughts about this? I feel it is highly likely, but am surprised it is predicted to happen in my lifetime.