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lasttime

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I appreciate he might not want work to know about something so personal, but could he approach his boss for a “to whom it may concern letter” confirming the days he was at work?
I imagine he could, ss have his rota and if the next meeting hadn't been rescheduled he'd of been able to make it. I think he's worried because the other dad does attend whilst he's working but he is self employed whereas my friend works for a company and drives for a living. I think he's worried that they'll be a bit 'well he attends and he's working so why can't you'
 

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Im a social worker in Children's Services.

Just so im clear, your friend has told you that Childrens services have told her to make a self referral? For what? A CAF (Child and Family assessment)? or early help?

We would never tell a parent to self refer for a child and family assessment.

It might be they have told her to refer for early help? Or have school referred the family in to Children's Services? In terms of our role-in my local authority, we work with children and families on Child in Need Plans, Child Protection Plans, and also work with children who are in the process of being removed. We have a separate department who work with families on early help plans. But my role is very much geared around the Children's Act and that determines our level of intervention.

It could be your friend has heard the words 'social services' and panicked.
From what I was told they had received three reports over 6 weeks about the house and garden and called her I'm assuming on Sunday just gone telling her that and that she needs to call back to self refer. However my friend the father of said children called them on Monday and was told no reports had been made and that if they had nothing would be disclosed due to confidentiality which I took to mean they wouldn't say what's been said as they said no reports have been made. I'm getting the info third hand as obviously she told him and he's telling me.
 

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So that is a bit shitty by the social worker; i mean i always try and work with the parent especially when they work. However, it would absolutely be in his best interest to prioritise the reviews (i presume the meeting is a Review Conference and not a core group meeting?). I cant lie, it doesnt look good if a parent does not attend those, even though he does work and the social worker should be mindful of that. I would get him to ask the sw if they can have a word with the IRO who chairs the reviews and explain to them the situation.
It is the core group meetings not the review conference. I think he would take holiday for the review conference but he'd rather not use the little holiday he gets to make it so he can attend every meeting. He's already used a lot of holiday to attend previous core groups and the last review.
 

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I'm back again, thought I'd revive this thread rather than start a new one.
Social services did end up involved albeit some time after I started this thread. The children where put on a child protection plan and it is all still ongoing.
My friend has been attending meetings and although there is no concerns over his parenting he has had to miss one of the 12 week meetings and is due to miss another both have been missed because he is at work. He gives them plenty of notice that he can't attend ie the day he receives the date however he is worried he will get backlash from ss for not attending, he can't not work and can't use his phone at work which is what the father of the other children does. Should he be concerned or will they understand?
 

LennyBriscoe

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I imagine he could, ss have his rota and if the next meeting hadn't been rescheduled he'd of been able to make it. I think he's worried because the other dad does attend whilst he's working but he is self employed whereas my friend works for a company and drives for a living. I think he's worried that they'll be a bit 'well he attends and he's working so why can't you'
You would hope they would be able to see the differences, him working can only be a good thing surely? Does he feel like he could be honest with his boss about what’s happening? Maybe then they could arrange it so he gets a different shift when the meeting comes up. I appreciate it’s tricky because of the nature of it, it would just be a shame if this became a problem because it’s stressful, not knowing if something is going to become an issue.
 

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She may be making the self referral up to make it sound like she had a choice in social services being involved but actually she hasn’t got a choice. Or she could self refer to try and get help/support/funding. But if he is on the birth certificate he has every right to know what has been said between social worker and mum and also entitled to view all reports ie. the initial report/complaint and any report after each appointment and visit
I've just said that to him as he said he's going to call in the morning to find out but wasn't sure if they'd tell him anything. She's made up things before so it wouldn't surprise me if she is making some or all of this up too.
 

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I actually thought that any parent with parental responsibility (were they married? If not was he listed as father on the birth certificates?) was notified by social services when a report was made. He could ring up and ask but I’m not sure it looks great to ring social and say ‘my ex claims there’s been a report can you tell me’ if you get where I’m coming from - I’m sure they have bigger fish to fry and it wouldn’t start an investigation, but looks a bit dodgy
They weren't but he is on the birth certificates. I also know that when social services where involved with my exs kids he wasn't notified to start with as his kids mum acted like he didn't exist despite him also being on the birth certificates. I think you have a point there but then she's lied previously about other things so its all a bit messy and complicated. I feel like there's no right way forward which is frustrating for everyone.
 

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Social wouldn’t tell you to self refer if they were going to initiate any kind of assessment based on reports made. Sounds like she’s making this up although I really can’t work out why tbh.
That's the problem I'm having. It doesn't make sense but I can't work out why she would lie. He's offered to go sort her house out but I don't see how that would help her long term because surely if they are investigating she'll need to be seen to be doing things for herself?
 

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Has she previously been on at him to help her with her house? When you say sort it out, what does that mean?
Not that I'm aware, she's asked him to take the kids more but he can't because of work etc. He hasn't lived there in almost a year. Basically the house and garden are in quite a bad state and she's asked and he's agreed to go and spend two days holiday from work clearing her garden because he's panicked and doesn't want the kids in care.
 

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I'm hoping someone on here can help. A friend of mine has kids with someone he's no longer with and allegedly there's been reports made to social services about the kids and house. Allegedly she told him that they called and told her and also told her she has to call tomorrow to make a self referral. I kind of believe the reports have been made but I'm also questioning it and didn't think that's how they'd proceed if reports have been made. Can someone clarify? I've tried googling. I really need help on how he should proceed as none of us want the kids in care and he's in no position to take them full time but is understandably concerned. Thank you.
 
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Clairer86

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Im a social worker in Children's Services.

Just so im clear, your friend has told you that Childrens services have told her to make a self referral? For what? A CAF (Child and Family assessment)? or early help?

We would never tell a parent to self refer for a child and family assessment.

It might be they have told her to refer for early help? Or have school referred the family in to Children's Services? In terms of our role-in my local authority, we work with children and families on Child in Need Plans, Child Protection Plans, and also work with children who are in the process of being removed. We have a separate department who work with families on early help plans. But my role is very much geared around the Children's Act and that determines our level of intervention.

It could be your friend has heard the words 'social services' and panicked.