I still don't understand why the referendum was a thing to begin with
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Infighting within the Conservative party similar to what we're seeing now with backbenchers refusing to let policy reforms go through but specific to the EU's directives. Cameron was pro EU and called the referendum to prove a point and then stepped down when he was proven wrong
Ah okay because and I'm not political at all but see tit on fb but from what I gather nothing good has come out of us leaving at all so can we not just join again
The unflushable curd
I'm not so sure. I think there is trouble at 'mill and Cabinet Ministers will start to speak out. Not the weak ones like Lammy and Kyle but the stronger, more effective ones like Mahmood and Cooper.
Morgan McSweeney also has his head on the block next week. A poor performance will add fuel to the fire.
I can't see him coming back from this, personally. The terrifying thing is who we end up with next. And where that then leads us in the next GE
He's not coming back from this, but there's zero talent to take over from him at labour so they won't push him out.
Keir sticks around like crusted on bird excrement that won't go away no matter how much you jet wash it.
Keir sticks around like crusted on bird excrement that won't go away no matter how much you jet wash it.
So Nigel Farage was still a Conservative - he was threating to walk away with 15 backbenchers (ironic since we know now they've gone anyway) and before that also challenge Cameron with a vote of no confidence. He did what he does well, agitated.
David Cameron was so worried about the vote of no confidence and threats of abstention from voting that he agreed to a referendum.
Wasn't all Cameron's fault. Other factors were:
- Labour being led by Corbyn, who was also a lifelong Eurosceptic, didn't put up much of a fight
- Funding from malign actors (other countries) who funded the Brexit campaign in order to enrich themselves and destabilise Europe (Arron banks (business man, gave 1m to the campaign), Steve Bannon (right wing org Breitbart), Peter Theil (owner of Palantir)) Arron Banks - Wikipedia
- Facebook being compromised by Cambridge analytica to target those susceptible to influence Cambridge Analytica - Wikipedia
Interestingly the push for Brexit was also talked about in the Epstein files;
In an email sent to tech billionaire Peter Thiel shortly after the 2016 referendum, Epstein wrote that Brexit was “just the beginning” of “a return to tribalism, counter to globalisation, amazing new alliances”
Epstein celebrated Brexit and ‘return to tribalism’, emails suggest | The Independent
I think they're waiting until the May election, no one else wants to carry the can for that. He’ll be gone after them. But i agree with you, who’s next? It’s a frightening thought.
I’m SO excited for Morgan McSweeney‘s appearance at the committee on Tuesday. I’m at home that day and will be glued to the TV shouting ‘LIAR!’ at him.
Im excited for McSweeney's appearance too. I think hes pretty spicy
Silent but deadly. Let's see what he drops on Tuesday...
I’m not sure he’ll drop many bombs, I’m expecting him to lie repeatedly. He sounds like part of the problem supposedly shouting down the phone to get Mandelson approved regardless.
and then his phone is pinched…..
So cat Little (head of cabinet office) was in front of the committee yesterday. She said olly robbins also refused her to look at the vetting. So she went directly to security and vetting and they told her.
So it looks like Robbins was wrong in telling Starmer he couldn't share the vetting outcome.
"It was made clear to me that that information would not be forthcoming," she told MPs.
As a result, Little said she requested the information directly from security officials, which she received on 25 March.
She did not share the information with the PM until 14 April, saying she first wanted to seek legal advice on how to handle such sensitive documents.
She also has reviewed all of the documents related to his appointment and quote;
' My view is that due process was followed... because the process as I've outlined to the committee, is that UKSV make a recommendation, and the Foreign Office make a decision as to whether to grant DV [developed vetting]."
However, she said that in her role of gathering documents to be published about the appointment "I've not seen any documentation that would formally confirm that level of pressure".
So it looks like Robbins was wrong in telling Starmer he couldn't share the vetting outcome.
"It was made clear to me that that information would not be forthcoming," she told MPs.
As a result, Little said she requested the information directly from security officials, which she received on 25 March.
She did not share the information with the PM until 14 April, saying she first wanted to seek legal advice on how to handle such sensitive documents.
She also has reviewed all of the documents related to his appointment and quote;
' My view is that due process was followed... because the process as I've outlined to the committee, is that UKSV make a recommendation, and the Foreign Office make a decision as to whether to grant DV [developed vetting]."
However, she said that in her role of gathering documents to be published about the appointment "I've not seen any documentation that would formally confirm that level of pressure".
That elusive phone....Down the side of a Number 10 sofa nestling amongst the crumbs and detritus of a teetering Government on the brink.I’m not sure he’ll drop many bombs, I’m expecting him to lie repeatedly. He sounds like part of the problem supposedly shouting down the phone to get Mandelson approved regardless.
and then his phone is pinched…..
In a way I feel sorry for Olly Robbins. He walks into a job and all of this is Mandelson rubbish is going on with people supposedly shouting at him to approve him regardless. Mandelson already had access to sensitive documents and was doing the job anyway.
He was damned either way. If he’d have dug his heels in and refused to approve him Starmer and McSweeney would have made his life hell. He must have known by approving Mandelson HE was going to take the eventual sacking because Mandelson wasn’t going to last very long With his track record.
We need a complete overhaul of politics where corruption is rife and lying and cover ups is a daily event. This all happened because Starmer is corrupt and got his staff to bully the lowly mandarin staff - how is he so stupid to not see this was all going to come out?
I’d put my money on sex and helping to cover up secrets being at the heart of all of this.
This is what I dont understand about these people. How do they think their lies are not going to get found out? They nearly always do. Are they that complacent, arrogant and conceited that they genuinely think they can always get away with it, or did he just not expect it to come out while he was still in charge? I have so little faith in any politician, they just seem to get corrupted by the parliamentary machine. They seem to completely forget they are public servants. And when they do get found out, they still dont do the decent thing, put their hands up and say I lied. They just lie more. Disgraceful.
There's deluded and well, then there's Keir Starmer. We know his advisers apparently don't read much press or they'd have seen the numerous reports in September that Mandelson had failed vetting (which his communications director denied to those who asked him), let's hope that they don't read this. The comments are brutal.
He's finished. Even the Guardian comments were largely negative today - disappointed but definitely negative.