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dodo789

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Double post but it’s been playing on my mind how funny it is that the public narrative of Selena has completely shifted in a short amount of time. Her doc came out and (at least on my end) the vast majority of the public were shunning her because of the donor drama, and then coincidentally a few months later all this stuff resurfaces of Hailey Bieber and the Jenners being mean girls against Selena and Selena is oh so the victim. Very convenient timing :unsure: 😂

To be fair I think they’re all mean girls, Selena included. Not a single one of these women act their age!
and the hate Hailey gets for this is so unproportionally big and based on a couple of tiktok videos…people are sheep…in a couple of months there will be a buzzfeed article or something like that, that Hailey didn’t deserve all this hate and the whole thing will start again 🤣🤣
 
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Silverback

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Imagine being Hailey- she MUST be wildly insecure about Justin and Selena knowing that they were on/off for years and then he suddenly committed to her. Not that it excuses any of her behaviour. She needs better taste in men!
 
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account70032

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I won’t be surprised if Selena goes on another downward spiral and has a meltdown. I really hope I’m wrong because I’d like to think after all these years she’s finally moved on and won’t continue to embarrass herself or be petty or immature in any way liking stuff about Justin and Hailey but it wouldn’t shock me if she found a way to play victim or found a way to get the attention on her.
 
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ls240898

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Yes Francia gave her a kidney but she/everyone else shouldn’t get to throw that in Selena’s face for the rest of her life. She chose to do it and could have said no.
Not necessarily true - it was kind of like she was strong armed in to doing it. She explains it quite well here:



If the circumstances were different, I agree with your post
 
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I found the focus on mental health interesting given how problematic 13 reasons why was. That whole show was trauma porn and given the platform she has and her conversations with those who have attempted, she should have known better.
 
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account70032

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For her the sake of her mental health and her reputation she would be better off deleting all her social media accounts but keep the rare beauty instagram page cause that’s her business page but everything else in my opinion she should delete cause she she doesn’t need to be using social media it’s not doing her mind any good. She’s been through a lot with her physical and mental health so I feel bad for her for that but at the same time she’s 30 years old which is very young but you need to have a level of maturity and getting involved in drama isn’t a good look for her image cause honestly at this point I just associate her with Justin , hailey and drama which is sad cause she should want people to think of her music and acting when they see her not drama.

The relationship she had with Justin bieber for years and then the abrupt ending and 2 months later he’s engaged to hailey and getting married not long after that of course all of that cause Selena a lot of pain she had a mental breakdown because of it but I also think she was shocked because she was so used to them being on and off for years with him always running back to her choosing her over every girl and then suddenly he stops choosing her and goes for stalker bully hailey bieber so I think Selenas confidence went down hill from that she probably compared herself to hailey and other girls which might have made her get work done to her face that she didn’t even need but she did it cause she’s a insecure person from everything she’s gone through. I personally don’t think she’s fully over what happened between her and Justin she tries too hard to act like she’s happy and happy single.

Sometimes she seems happier and she is successful but other times it’s like she’s putting on an act and I think being on social media is really not good for her cause she’s seeing things that make her insecure and getting herself into drama that she could avoid by not using instagram and TikTok. I think her confidence and happiness would be a lot better if she stays off these apps permanently. Her team can run her rare beauty page. She clearly is using social media commenting on things and things she posts it’a obviously her posting that not her team and I think that’s a big mistake she made getting active on socials again.
 
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monepierce

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The video that taylor swfit posted..

Selena claiming ‘im soooo happy’ - Either Selena is drugged up or botoxed to death cause she looks anything but sooo happy!

no one can convince me she didnt settle for the first guy who was willing to propose to her, and thats after all the chasing she did to get him ( according to them)
I agree, I get a really desperate vibe from her, with those “I’m single” tiktoks she was posting every day and interviews they did where he said she was the one who made the first move and how she waited in her car half an hour before their date. I’m single but I hope I’ll never be that desperate
 
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ls240898

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Glad to see this thread!

I like Selena and have done since Wizards of Waverley Place. Was interested in the press she did leading up this documentary (Rolling Stone etc) but she comes off tone-deaf and spoiled in the documentary. That aside, I don’t feel it was very well made or interesting
 
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account70032

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Selena and Hailey are jealous of each other in different ways. Hailey has clearly always been jealous of Selenas career , history with Justin and popularity. A lot of people are obsessed with Selena because they grew up watching her but not just that they’ve fallen for the perfect nice girl image her PR team have painted of Selena so therefore they constantly jump to Selenas defence and never make Selena take accountability for problems she causes. This had given Selena a lot of popularity so any business she has or tv show will automatically be successful. Rare beauty is a good brand as I’ve only ever heard great things about the quality of products but also the fact it’s Selenas brand it already had a high chance of being successful and Hailey knows this so it doesn’t matter if Hailey is trying to sell the best product in the world she knows she doesn’t have the same fame and fan base Selena has which probably plays a part in her jealousy.

I think Justin and Selenas past definitely causes Hailey insecurity but at the same time she knew getting engaged to him 2 months after he had been all over Selena was a red flag and anyone with sense would not of got engaged that quick until you are sure someone is over their ex but Hailey wanted him she that was desperate. Hailey seems lost as a person like she doesn’t know what to be doing and seems insecure at times which may be while she’s done shady things over the years which I’m not making excuses for cause it is weird but all I see is an insecure woman but she doesn’t deserve the hate she’s getting it’s too much and shame on Selena for encouraging it and putting a stop to it. Selena started this a lot of this hate by commenting on TikTok’s about Hailey and agreeing with the hate against her. Hailey is no angel I think she also has a sly streak and I think there have been times she’s said things to hurt Selena but the hate towards her is pointless now but it’s like Selena enjoys people hating on Justin and Hailey.

Selena is jealous that Hailey got the happy ending with Justin getting engaged , married and got the man that she wanted and believed she would end up with. I know Selena has had her health issues and for that I feel for her but those health issues are not an excuse for her toxic manipulative behaviour and jealousy all these years. She’s not over Justin it’s like her ego won’t let her get over it cause it’s like if she’s not happy in her life she doesn’t want him and Hailey to be happy either. I get that in 2018 he may of led Selena on but it’s been 5 years and there’s no point dwelling on the past when he’s married now.

It’s obvious from evidence Justin and Hailey were speaking behind Selenas back in 2017/2018 so it makes sense another reason why Selena doesn’t like Hailey but the blame for that should be on Justin he’s the one who played different women he’s the one who owed her loyalty and he’s the one who hurt for and left her for Hailey so if anything she should have a problem with just him but it’s like she only takes out her jealousy and anger on Hailey. she should learn to let these problems go and be happy in her life.

There’s been many articles when Justin got married about how Selena was shocked as she thought he would marry her and that she had a breakdown about it. She hasn’t been the same since cause she isn’t over Justin but I find it weird now cause she needs to get over it cause he’s not worth getting depressed over. I think selena has a mean streak in her which sometimes can be looked over by how friendly she can come across. I get that if someone makes TikToks or says something shady about you of course you have the right to feel bothered by it and want to defend yourself and if the eyebrow thing Kylie and hailey posted was towards selena then that is childish of them and if the TikTok Hailey made with her friends was about selena that’s also childish and bullying which there’s no need for.

I just think Selena saw an opportunity to make this situation way worse for Hailey by getting more hate sent her way. If I were selena I would delete social media and live a more private life. As for Hailey I think she would be better learning to be her own person. They both need to stop putting things out there that could easily be perceived as bullying or hate for eachother. Selena needs help mentally for her insecurities. Neither of them are innocent and sometimes one is more in the wrong than the other.
 
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whatstheteab

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Does anyone know why in the last 3/4 years selena can’t open her eyes much? I don’t know if it’s some side effect from medication or maybe it’s caused by fox eye surgery/filler/eyebrow lift as her eyes do look so different to how they naturally used to be but it’s like she can’t open her eyes fully.
Probably both. It’s obvious that she’s had some kind of procedure done to her eye/brow area but the weight gain/swelling in her face most likely accentuates it even more.
 
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Yupyupyup

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She could have even avoided it all by just sharing charities. No need to say anything, but shows support and also potentially gets some more people donating too. The issue is airhead celebs think what they’ve got to say is so much more important and has so much more weight than anyone else when really it’s usually just as hollow and empty as their personalities.
 
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Silverback

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also, Francia revealed that selena was informed that they were a match before francia was so she felt more pressure about donating her own kidney. it’s so messy
Yes she basically felt pressured into it. There’s an interview of her somewhere on YouTube saying that.
 
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athenacore

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I see Twitter is kicking off because Selena has unfollowed a load of celebs, the stand are now going after the unfollowed for being “mean girls”. When will they learn 🤣
it's insane how her fans project their own feeling of inadequateness onto random women. just because you were probably bullied in high school doesn't give you an excuse to accuse every skinny attractive girl of being a "mean girl" on social media. and selena is a grown 30 year old woman yet fuels these psycho stans with her shady comments and likes all over social media, despite knowing her reach as a public figure. so embarrassing. she was never a girl's girl.
 
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ls240898

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I was a huge fan of Selena’s for years and I feel like I learned barely anything new from the documentary. If anything, her Rolling Stone interview was a lot more insightful than anything that made the documentary. Pretty much everything featured in it was stuff that had already been made public (the reason behind the tour cancellation, being tired of the industry, mental hospital, her fallout with Mandy etc.) with barely any added context. For me this documentary was a perfect representation of Selena’s image: controlled and will only show you what she wants you to see. She’s known to have one of the best PR teams in the business for a reason.

It makes no sense to me that it was filmed over a 6-year timeline yet we only got about 40 minutes (if that) of footage from 2016-2018 and most of it was from the Revival tour. Her final Instagram post before surgery that was dedicated to her fans and the actual surgery itself was a huge moment in her life and yet they barely mentioned it. Instead we got around an hour of footage from the last two years of her complaining about being in the industry?? Not even a mention of her Spanish EP, Rare Beauty, OMITB or her UEFA performance. Selena + Chef and the Rare album were essentially blink and you’ll miss them moments.

I get that the whole point of the documentary was to talk about Selena’s struggle with her mental but it feels like there was so much more that could’ve been included. They briefly touched on her struggles with breaking out from the Disney image at the start but there was a lot more to be desired. Both Miley and Demi have openly talked about having major identity issues and trauma whilst being at Disney whilst Selena has mostly spoken fondly on her Disney days in the past, so it was interesting to see a completely different narrative in the documentary. It would’ve been interesting to mention her role in Spring Breakers here too as it was her first “adult” job post-Disney.

It’s not that surprising that they didn’t delve much into her relationship with Justin but it felt slightly disingenuous to barely mention it at all. Her relationship with Abel wasn’t even mentioned once either, which could’ve made for an interesting contrast (even if it was just for PR).

Overall, it wasn’t a terrible documentary but it felt empty and incomplete. I read somewhere that the director was worried that it was too long and ended up cutting a whole hours worth of content before the final version and I think that decision has ultimately hindered the final product. It really would’ve benefited from being a two-part series with one half focusing on 2016-2018 and the other half on 2019-now. That being said I don’t think the latter half should’ve taken up as much runtime as it did in general.

I doubt it’ll happen but I really hope they release the directors cut.
You articulated it better than I could! She says at the start she will only tell us her darkest secrets but she doesn’t say anything that wasn’t already known
 
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